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[GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #246998] Thu, 10 April 2014 09:32 Go to next message
glwgmc is currently offline  glwgmc   United States
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Lots of ethanol conditioners on the market (Lucas, Archoil, etc.) and they seem to work from my experience with both the Royale and the Clasco.

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interesting article.
It would be even better if it also gave good input towards what we can do to minimize the problems described
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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247770 is a reply to message #246998] Thu, 17 April 2014 19:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Darn those Archoil guys. Instructions say 1 once/80 gallons but the measurement thing on the container is in ML....go figure literately.

George Butts Las Vegas Nevada 73 "Custom 26' Q" & 76 23' Birchaven 71 Honda 600 Coupe & 01 Tracker Toads
Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247774 is a reply to message #247770] Thu, 17 April 2014 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/17/2014 5:21 PM, GEORGE BUTTS wrote:
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> Darn those Archoil guys. Instructions say 1 once/80 gallons but the measurement thing on the container is in ML....go figure literately.
Handiest thing on my desktop. I get to deal with millimeters and inches
and ounces and cubic centimeters all the time. Could grab the
calculator but this does SO much more.

http://joshmadison.com/convert-for-windows/

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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247780 is a reply to message #247774] Thu, 17 April 2014 20:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wouldn't it be easier to just build your engine and fuel system to be compatible to E-10 than to fight the situation?

jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL

BTW: Heard Florida may outlaw ethanol gas. Wink

[Updated on: Thu, 17 April 2014 21:40]

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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247782 is a reply to message #247774] Thu, 17 April 2014 21:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kelvin Dietz wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 19:56

On 4/17/2014 5:21 PM, GEORGE BUTTS wrote:
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> Darn those Archoil guys. Instructions say 1 once/80 gallons but the measurement thing on the container is in ML....go figure literately.
Handiest thing on my desktop. I get to deal with millimeters and inches
and ounces and cubic centimeters all the time. Could grab the
calculator but this does SO much more.

http://joshmadison.com/convert-for-windows/

Kelvin
'73 23' in Eugene, OR



I have had that program on my PCs for years. I use it at least once a week. Especially when those pesky Canadians give me centigrade, meters, and liters. I talk to a friend in Fort St. John about once a week and he keeps giving me centigrade and then switches to F. in the middle of the conversation. This program helps a lot especially for some of the less common measurement systems.


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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247787 is a reply to message #247780] Thu, 17 April 2014 21:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jim Galbavy wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 19:48

Wouldn't it be easier to just build your engine and fuel system to be compatible to E-10 than to fight the situation?

jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL

BTW: Heard Florida may outlaw ethanol gas. Wink

Jim--that's always been my position. Apparently it is more fun to
P & M (figure that one out) than to get on with life. With the age of our coaches, the fuel lines and tanks need to be cleaned and refreshed no matter what the fuel is. I have no doubt a Q jet can handle E10 with no problem. I see no reason for any more modifications than that.


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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247792 is a reply to message #247782] Thu, 17 April 2014 22:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Are those similar to Celsius, metres and litres?!?

Rob
Victoria, BC
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On 2014-04-17, at 7:10 PM, Ken Burton wrote:

> Especially when those pesky Canadians give me centigrade, meters, and liters.
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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247793 is a reply to message #247792] Thu, 17 April 2014 23:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How can you guess which tank the additive is going into and what proportion.

Jim Kanomata Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA jimk@appliedairfilters.com http://www.appliedgmc.com 1-800-752-7502
Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247796 is a reply to message #247793] Fri, 18 April 2014 00:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jim,

I don't think you can, however, but since the fuel transfers back and forth between tanks as you go up and down hills and I vaguely
remember something from my high school chemistry class that whatever you put in there would disperse to the same concentration?

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How can you guess which tank the additive is going into and what proportion.
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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247797 is a reply to message #247787] Fri, 18 April 2014 00:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob,

Easy Piss & Moan! ;-)

Your turn - RITW!

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Rob M.
Sydney, Australia

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Jim--that's always been my position. Apparently it is more fun to
P & M (figure that one out) than to get on with life. With the age of our coaches, the fuel lines and tanks need to be cleaned and
refreshed no matter what the fuel is. I have no doubt a Q jet can handle E10 with no problem. I see no reason for any more
modifications than that.
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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247803 is a reply to message #247792] Fri, 18 April 2014 03:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, very similar only spelled correctly.

We can put up with the misspellings. We figure it goes along with the colored (coloured) money. Here people have learned how to read numbers rather than use colors to determine what something costs.

I assume you remember the Gimli Glider?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/07/23/gimli-glider-pilot-recalls-landing-without-engines-30-years-ago/

I had better stop picking on Canadians tonight. The Kaliforians will get jealous.


Rob wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 22:51

Are those similar to Celsius, metres and litres?!?

Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath

On 2014-04-17, at 7:10 PM, Ken Burton wrote:

> Especially when those pesky Canadians give me centigrade, meters, and liters.
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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247810 is a reply to message #247787] Fri, 18 April 2014 07:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob de Kruyff wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 21:55

I have no doubt a Q jet can handle E10 with no problem. I see no reason for any more modifications than that.


If you want to really go the extra mile NAPA sells a brass replacement float for our q-jets. That an accelerator pump newer than about 10 years old and you should be good to go. If you are a perfectionist rejet 4% richer too.


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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247815 is a reply to message #247797] Fri, 18 April 2014 08:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rob,

I actually got that tee shirt. Laughing

jim galbavy
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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247822 is a reply to message #247803] Fri, 18 April 2014 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Burton wrote on Fri, 18 April 2014 03:06

Yes, very similar only spelled correctly.

We can put up with the misspellings. We figure it goes along with the colored (coloured) money. Here people have learned how to read numbers rather than use colors to determine what something costs. ...
There might be more to it than that. I don't know aboot Canada eh, but in Australia mite (IIRC) the larger denomination bills are also physically larger. So even if you are color blind, or completely blind, you can tell the denomination of the bill. Also, the dollar is a coin. The bills start at $5.
Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247825 is a reply to message #247803] Fri, 18 April 2014 11:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Spelt correctly? Or spelt 'merican? Two different things!

The counterfeiters seem to be able to read your numbers quite well...

No idea about the Gimli Glider - but that was 30 years ago... The older generation had some issues changing...

If you asked 100 random Yanks what temperature water boiled at (or froze at) - I'd be very surprised if the majority could tell you the correct answers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFgPX0hnNfA

Rob
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On 2014-04-18, at 1:06 AM, Ken Burton wrote:

>
>
> Yes, very similar only spelled correctly.
>
> We can put up with the misspellings. We figure it goes along with the colored (coloured) money. Here people have learned how to read numbers rather than use colors to determine what something costs.
>
> I assume you remember the Gimli Glider?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider
>
> http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/07/23/gimli-glider-pilot-recalls-landing-without-engines-30-years-ago/
>
> I had better stop picking on Canadians tonight. The Kaliforians will get jealous.
>
> --
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> 76 Palm Beach
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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247833 is a reply to message #247825] Fri, 18 April 2014 15:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the URL. I can not hear well and at the moment I can not find my head set. As soon as I find it, I'll listen to it.

Thanks,
Ken


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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247846 is a reply to message #247822] Fri, 18 April 2014 20:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A,

The photo below shows samples of the current issue of Australian currency:

http://www.worldexecutive.com/images/pooled/currency/australia.jpg

As you can see there are $5.00 / $10.00 / $20 / $50 / $100 dollar bills:

They are all the same height but the length varies slightly. The larger the bill the longer it gets.

They are made out of Tyvek and are different colors.

There is a "clear" patch on these bills that contain pictures of plants, the Southern Cross, etc.

These bills are tough as nails and extremely hard to counterfeit.

Below is a photo of Australian coins:

http://www.internationalstudents.sa.edu.au/uploads/images/Aust-coins.jpg

As you can see there are $0.05 / $0.10 / $0.20 / $0.50 / $1.00 / $2.00 coins.

When the $1.00 and $2.00 coin were minted the bills in those amounts were discontinued.

A two hundred dollar gold coin was also issued:

http://www.australianstamp.com/coin-web/aust/twohund/1980detr.gif

Regards,
Rob M.

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There might be more to it than that. I don't know aboot Canada eh, but in Australia mite (IIRC) the larger denomination bills are
also physically larger. So even if you are color blind, or completely blind, you can tell the denomination of the bill. Also, the
dollar is a coin. The bills start at $5.

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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247854 is a reply to message #247846] Fri, 18 April 2014 21:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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""The photo below shows samples of the current issue of Australian currency:

http://www.worldexecutive.com/images/pooled/currency/australia.jpg

As you can see there are $5.00 / $10.00 / $20 / $50 / $100 dollar bills:""

But Rob--how do they perform with 10% ethanol??


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Bob,

We're lucky you can use them to purchase non ethanol laced petrol fairly easily here in New South Wales.

I have no direct experience in any of the other states so I am loathe to comment.

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Rob M.

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But Rob--how do they perform with 10% ethanol??
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Re: [GMCnet] More explanation of ethanol problems [message #247862 is a reply to message #247854] Sat, 19 April 2014 00:38 Go to previous message
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When I was in the military in some theaters we were paid in MPC (Military Payment Certificates). The MPC was designed to keep greenbacks from entering the local black market. I never knew if it worked since you could spend MPC off post even though it was suppose to be worthless there. I always did it the correct way and converted MPC to local currency at an on post branch of the Bank of America.

The point of all of this is: Guess where MPC was printed? Australia. Why, I'll never know.


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