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| Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part? [message #246333 is a reply to message #246331] |
Thu, 03 April 2014 21:20   |
Craig Lechowicz
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John,
I broomed my bathroom fan quite a while back and went with a Fantastic Fan, but I don't remember my old one having one of those.
At any rate, the part is a resistor, which would be used to slow the motor down. I'm thinking it has a 2 position switch, one that would apply the full 12 volts directly to the motor, and the other which would place this in series to have a low speed.
Craig Lechowicz
'77 Kingsley, Waterford, MI
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| Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part? [message #246334 is a reply to message #246331] |
Thu, 03 April 2014 21:22 |
emerystora
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That is a ceramic wire wound resistor. It's purpose is to reduce the voltage to the motor to regulate the fan speed. You can test it with an ohm meter. If you disconnect one wire and put the probe of an ohm meter to each end if it shows some resistance it's still good.
Emery Stora
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 8:10 PM, John Olson <johnolsondesign@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> After the bathroom fan (round one) stopped working, I thought it was a
> loose plunger switch, so removed the ceiling cover to access the switch.
> Then saw this doohicky.
>
> Any help is appreciated at identifying this doohicky:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54135-a-broken-fuse-of-som.html
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54134-a-broken-fuse-of-some-sort.html
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54133-a-broken-fuse-of-some-sort.html
>
>
> A broken fuse? I'm obviously electrically ignorant, btw.
>
> I looked at the parts book but didn't find this part shown or listed on
> page 28-164 "Vent-Bath, Power".
>
> As always, any help is appreciated.
>
>
>
> John Olson
> 76 Edgemonte
> Chicago, IL (currently in Livingston, TX)
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| Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part? [message #246338 is a reply to message #246334] |
Thu, 03 April 2014 21:48 |
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It appears to me that the ceramic form has been broken and the resistance wire is probably open as well.
My guess is that it will probably be necessary to replace the complet fan assembly and control.
The picture posted was done very well!
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> From: emerystora@mac.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 20:22:50 -0600
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part?
>
> That is a ceramic wire wound resistor. It's purpose is to reduce the voltage to the motor to regulate the fan speed. You can test it with an ohm meter. If you disconnect one wire and put the probe of an ohm meter to each end if it shows some resistance it's still good.
>
>
> Emery Stora
>
> > On Apr 3, 2014, at 8:10 PM, John Olson <johnolsondesign@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > After the bathroom fan (round one) stopped working, I thought it was a
> > loose plunger switch, so removed the ceiling cover to access the switch.
> > Then saw this doohicky.
> >
> > Any help is appreciated at identifying this doohicky:
> >
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54135-a-broken-fuse-of-som.html
> >
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54134-a-broken-fuse-of-some-sort.html
> >
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54133-a-broken-fuse-of-some-sort.html
> >
> >
> > A broken fuse? I'm obviously electrically ignorant, btw.
> >
> > I looked at the parts book but didn't find this part shown or listed on
> > page 28-164 "Vent-Bath, Power".
> >
> > As always, any help is appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > John Olson
> > 76 Edgemonte
> > Chicago, IL (currently in Livingston, TX)
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| Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part? [message #246339 is a reply to message #246334] |
Thu, 03 April 2014 21:51 |
John Olson
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Thanks Gents! Near future sees this fan replaced with a fantastic model,
though I'll need a bit more life outta this one.
Interesting on the two speeds via resistor. So at some point there may have
been a toggle switch version of the fan installed. Current plunger switch
definitely has only one mode.
Fan not functioning may still be due to the switch or
Toward cleaner lines, can this resistor be safely taken out of the
electrical path?
John Olson
76 Edgemonte
Chicago, IL (currently in Livingston, TX)
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
> That is a ceramic wire wound resistor. It's purpose is to reduce the
> voltage to the motor to regulate the fan speed. You can test it with an ohm
> meter. If you disconnect one wire and put the probe of an ohm meter to each
> end if it shows some resistance it's still good.
>
>
> Emery Stora
>
> > On Apr 3, 2014, at 8:10 PM, John Olson <johnolsondesign@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > After the bathroom fan (round one) stopped working, I thought it was a
> > loose plunger switch, so removed the ceiling cover to access the switch.
> > Then saw this doohicky.
> >
> > Any help is appreciated at identifying this doohicky:
> >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54135-a-broken-fuse-of-som.html
> >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54134-a-broken-fuse-of-some-sort.html
> >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54133-a-broken-fuse-of-some-sort.html
> >
> >
> > A broken fuse? I'm obviously electrically ignorant, btw.
> >
> > I looked at the parts book but didn't find this part shown or listed on
> > page 28-164 "Vent-Bath, Power".
> >
> > As always, any help is appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > John Olson
> > 76 Edgemonte
> > Chicago, IL (currently in Livingston, TX)
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| Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part? [message #246351 is a reply to message #246331] |
Fri, 04 April 2014 05:05 |
Jim Bounds
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We have those in that we use them. Think they are like $50-60. Â Nickname is fartfan
Jim Bounds
-------- Original message --------
From: John Olson <johnolsondesign@gmail.com>
Date: 04/03/2014 10:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part?
Thanks Gents! Near future sees this fan replaced with a fantastic model,
though I'll need a bit more life outta this one.
Interesting on the two speeds via resistor. So at some point there may have
been a toggle switch version of the fan installed. Current plunger switch
definitely has only one mode.
Fan not functioning may still be due to the switch or
Toward cleaner lines, can this resistor be safely taken out of the
electrical path?
John Olson
76 Edgemonte
Chicago, IL (currently in Livingston, TX)
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
> That is a ceramic wire wound resistor. It's purpose is to reduce the
> voltage to the motor to regulate the fan speed. You can test it with an ohm
> meter. If you disconnect one wire and put the probe of an ohm meter to each
> end if it shows some resistance it's still good.
>
>
> Emery Stora
>
> > On Apr 3, 2014, at 8:10 PM, John Olson <johnolsondesign@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > After the bathroom fan (round one) stopped working, I thought it was a
> > loose plunger switch, so removed the ceiling cover to access the switch.
> > Then saw this doohicky.
> >
> > Any help is appreciated at identifying this doohicky:
> >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54135-a-broken-fuse-of-som.html
> >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54134-a-broken-fuse-of-some-sort.html
> >
> >
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54133-a-broken-fuse-of-some-sort.html
> >
> >
> > A broken fuse? I'm obviously electrically ignorant, btw.
> >
> > I looked at the parts book but didn't find this part shown or listed on
> > page 28-164 "Vent-Bath, Power".
> >
> > As always, any help is appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > John Olson
> > 76 Edgemonte
> > Chicago, IL (currently in Livingston, TX)
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| Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part? [message #246352 is a reply to message #246331] |
Fri, 04 April 2014 06:16 |
jhbridges
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John, that's a resistor to limit current to the fan motor and thus its speed. If it is a multispeed fan, at least one speed will bypass the resistor. I don't know the value of it, but a trial substitute would be an external coil resistor off an older car. As a quick test, connect the two wires going to it together and momentarily try the fan.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
Braselton GA
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From: John Olson <johnolsondesign@gmail.com>
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:10 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part?
Hi Folks,
After the bathroom fan (round one) stopped working, I thought it was a
loose plunger switch, so removed the ceiling cover to access the switch.
Then saw this doohicky.
Any help is appreciated at identifying this doohicky:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54135-a-broken-fuse-of-som.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54134-a-broken-fuse-of-some-sort.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p54133-a-broken-fuse-of-some-sort.html
A broken fuse? I'm obviously electrically ignorant, btw.
I looked at the parts book but didn't find this part shown or listed on
page 28-164 "Vent-Bath, Power".
As always, any help is appreciated.
John Olson
76 Edgemonte
Chicago, IL (currently in Livingston, TX)
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| Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part? [message #246363 is a reply to message #246331] |
Fri, 04 April 2014 09:02 |
kerry pinkerton
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I agree, it appears to be a ballast resistor off a '50's car. When they went from 6V to 12V systems in cars, the coils and points had problems. The ballast resistors dropped voltage to it and improved longevity. Most car mfg (MOPAR at least), bypassed the ballast resistor during starting for a hotter spark but talking it off completely killed the coil in short order.
That one is bad and not repairable.
My 76 and 77 did not have one on the bathroom fan. I SUSPECT it was probably there to allow the fan to be left on more or less continually for venting the bathroom.
You should be able to bypass it (tie the two hot wires together). You can also test the fan itself by bypassing the push button on/off switch via putting 12V on one fan lead and grounding the other.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part? [message #246383 is a reply to message #246363] |
Fri, 04 April 2014 12:35 |
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a solar fart fan would be way modern.
they make little fans that size with a solar cell in the top and runs all day free. mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach.
On Apr 4, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
>
>
> I agree, it appears to be a ballast resistor off a '50's car. When they went from 6V to 12V systems in cars, the coils and points had problems. The ballast resistors dropped voltage to it and improved longevity. Most car mfg (MOPAR at least), bypassed the ballast resistor during starting for a hotter spark but talking it off completely killed the coil in short order.
>
> That one is bad and not repairable.
>
> My 76 and 77 did not have one on the bathroom fan. I SUSPECT it was probably there to allow the fan to be left on more or less continually for venting the bathroom.
>
> You should be able to bypass it (tie the two hot wires together). You can also test the fan itself by bypassing the push button on/off switch via putting 12V on one fan lead and grounding the other.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part? [message #246388 is a reply to message #246383] |
Fri, 04 April 2014 14:58 |
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Check marine suppliers such as West Marine or Defender for the solar charged "Nicro" ventilator fans. Some versions use a NiMH rechargeable battery that is charged by the solar panel so that ventilation continues after the sun goes down. These would mount directly on the roof skin and can move up to 1000 cubic feet per hour. Price depends on enamel or stainless steel finish and size. They can either exhaust interior air or bring outside air in.
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> From: mickeysss@me.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 10:35:28 -0700
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part?
>
> a solar fart fan would be way modern.
>
> they make little fans that size with a solar cell in the top and runs all day free. mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach.
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>
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> On Apr 4, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I agree, it appears to be a ballast resistor off a '50's car. When they went from 6V to 12V systems in cars, the coils and points had problems. The ballast resistors dropped voltage to it and improved longevity. Most car mfg (MOPAR at least), bypassed the ballast resistor during starting for a hotter spark but talking it off completely killed the coil in short order.
> >
> > That one is bad and not repairable.
> >
> > My 76 and 77 did not have one on the bathroom fan. I SUSPECT it was probably there to allow the fan to be left on more or less continually for venting the bathroom.
> >
> > You should be able to bypass it (tie the two hot wires together). You can also test the fan itself by bypassing the push button on/off switch via putting 12V on one fan lead and grounding the other.
> > --
> > Kerry Pinkerton
> >
> > North Alabama, near Huntsville,
> >
> > 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part? [message #246398 is a reply to message #246383] |
Fri, 04 April 2014 16:01 |
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Yes, those are neat but be careful, if you go to the "mo money model" on every decision your coach is going to have so many cool little things you will never get them all working at the same time! Kinda like that 62 Lincoln I have!
Jim Bounds
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part?
a solar fart fan would be way modern.
they make little fans that size with a solar cell in the top and runs all day free. mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach.
On Apr 4, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
>
>
> I agree, it appears to be a ballast resistor off a '50's car. When they went from 6V to 12V systems in cars, the coils and points had problems. The ballast resistors dropped voltage to it and improved longevity. Most car mfg (MOPAR at least), bypassed the ballast resistor during starting for a hotter spark but talking it off completely killed the coil in short order.
>
> That one is bad and not repairable.
>
> My 76 and 77 did not have one on the bathroom fan. I SUSPECT it was probably there to allow the fan to be left on more or less continually for venting the bathroom.
>
> You should be able to bypass it (tie the two hot wires together). You can also test the fan itself by bypassing the push button on/off switch via putting 12V on one fan lead and grounding the other.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part? [message #246409 is a reply to message #246398] |
Fri, 04 April 2014 18:24 |
John Olson
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Thanks loads for all the help guys. I put a meter up to both ends of the
resistor and saw 0.0 reading, so I'll take it out of the path.
This fan and any others like it shall henceforth be termed the Fart Fan. I
got a good laugh outta that one.
Pics of your FF install are great Kerry, thanks for that.
Turns out the fan does indeed work as wired, but the plunger switch is
broken at its securing collar and thus is dislodged from its holding
bracket. So pushing the plunger only pushes the switch body upward.
I'll band-aid on a toggle switch for the time being until replacing it with
a 14" or FF.
John Olson
76 Edgemonte
Chicago, IL (in Livingston, TX)
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, those are neat but be careful, if you go to the "mo money model" on
> every decision your coach is going to have so many cool little things you
> will never get them all working at the same time! Kinda like that 62
> Lincoln I have!
>
> Jim Bounds
> ---------
>
>
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> From: Mickey Space Ship Shuttle <mickeysss@me.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] What is this Bathroom round fan part?
>
>
> a solar fart fan would be way modern.
>
> they make little fans that size with a solar cell in the top and runs all
> day free. mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 4, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I agree, it appears to be a ballast resistor off a '50's car. When they
> went from 6V to 12V systems in cars, the coils and points had problems.
> The ballast resistors dropped voltage to it and improved longevity. Most
> car mfg (MOPAR at least), bypassed the ballast resistor during starting for
> a hotter spark but talking it off completely killed the coil in short order.
> >
> > That one is bad and not repairable.
> >
> > My 76 and 77 did not have one on the bathroom fan. I SUSPECT it was
> probably there to allow the fan to be left on more or less continually for
> venting the bathroom.
> >
> > You should be able to bypass it (tie the two hot wires together). You
> can also test the fan itself by bypassing the push button on/off switch via
> putting 12V on one fan lead and grounding the other.
> > --
> > Kerry Pinkerton
> >
> > North Alabama, near Huntsville,
> >
> > 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
> an Art Deco car hauler
> > _______________________________________________
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