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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Brake Shoes [message #245552] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 14:54  |
KB
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> Corley, from reading your latest post, it is obvious that you do not know precisely what Manny does to his transmissions, ( nor do I). and you probably have never taken up a conversation with him, so I suggest you follow suit and save others from forming wrong assumptions.
We had the opportunity to watch the amazing Manny rebuild our tranny (while trying
desperately to stay out of his way). He did the entire rebuild, including pulling and resinstalling,
in the course of a single day. Just watching was exhausting. I really wish I was more knowledgeable
so more of what he did could have soaked in, but here are my notes from the time:
> He does lots of his own touches -- adds another clutch to 1st gear, uses all stainless fasteners,
> puts in a much more robust sprag(roller?) clutch thing with about 3x as many rollers in it, and
> slightly bends up the tabs on the first clutch plate so that even if it wears all the way through
> it won't spin. All new bearings, bushings, clutches, gaskets, torque converter, etc.He uses viton o-rings
> because they're good to much higher temps.
> He taps and plugs the passage hole for the kick-down switch function. He
> doesn't like the kickdown because it steals pressure, leaks, and causes slippage.
> Says you still get downshifts due to vacuum and you can always downshift manually so not needed.
> He does install a new kickdown, but only because he has them and it fills the hole.
I'll add that anyone who has ever dealt with Manny has gotten an impossibly good deal.
All that great stuff he did to our tranny, plus a 3.5 chain drive, was far, far less
than what a local shop charged us for a common ford van tranny rebuild. Manny is
generous to a fault and a mechanical genius.
just my .02.
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Brake Shoes [message #245560 is a reply to message #245552] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 16:25  |
Ken Henderson
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Amen.
I guess you weren't around long enough to become skilled enough to torque
your own pan bolts, huh? :-)
Called him today to order 1-Ton for a friend. "I'll ship two so we'll have
a spare over your way."
Ken H.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:54 PM, KB wrote:
> ...
> We had the opportunity to watch the amazing Manny rebuild our tranny
> (while trying
> desperately to stay out of his way). He did the entire rebuild, including
> pulling and resinstalling,
> in the course of a single day. Just watching was exhausting. I really
> wish I was more knowledgeable
> so more of what he did could have soaked in, but here are my notes from
> the time:
>
> > He does lots of his own touches -- adds another clutch to 1st gear,
> uses all stainless fasteners,
> > puts in a much more robust sprag(roller?) clutch thing with about 3x as
> many rollers in it, and
> > slightly bends up the tabs on the first clutch plate so that even if it
> wears all the way through
> > it won't spin. All new bearings, bushings, clutches, gaskets, torque
> converter, etc.He uses viton o-rings
> > because they're good to much higher temps.
>
> > He taps and plugs the passage hole for the kick-down switch function. He
> > doesn't like the kickdown because it steals pressure, leaks, and causes
> slippage.
> > Says you still get downshifts due to vacuum and you can always
> downshift manually so not needed.
> > He does install a new kickdown, but only because he has them and it
> fills the hole.
>
>
> I'll add that anyone who has ever dealt with Manny has gotten an
> impossibly good deal.
> All that great stuff he did to our tranny, plus a 3.5 chain drive, was
> far, far less
> than what a local shop charged us for a common ford van tranny rebuild.
> Manny is
> generous to a fault and a mechanical genius.
>
> just my .02.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Brake Shoes [message #245569 is a reply to message #245560] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 18:05 |
corleyw
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If the above two posts are aimed at me (can't tell from reading the, but my name is in there), please, pay attention to what I wrote, and don't change it's meaning.
I am trying to clarify if in fact Manny does not recommend down shifting a DFCO engine coach. If he is recommending that, I believe that may create a dangerous condition on steep docents. The stock brakes are not up to stopping 12,000 lbs over a long distance, on a steep incline, period.
All I'm after is clarification on Manny's position. None of the posts so far has clarified that particular aspect of Manny's statement. If you are running a QJet, this question does not apply. If you are running stock GM TBI, this question does not apply. If you are NOT running EFI with zero fuel being metered to the engine on a decent, this question does not apply.
And finally, why is it that I continually seem to be misinterpreted in things that I post, then accused of being ignorant?
Corley
'76 Glenbrook
29 other vehicles
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Brake Shoes [message #245610 is a reply to message #245560] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 22:13 |
Joe Weir
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Location: Columbia, SC
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Ken,
I may be able to find a home for that kit as I will some front end refreshing on the Birch. Do you know what Manny's kit goes for and what else needs to be purchased?
Thanks,
| Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 28 March 2014 16:25 |
Amen.
I guess you weren't around long enough to become skilled enough to torque
your own pan bolts, huh? 
Called him today to order 1-Ton for a friend. "I'll ship two so we'll have
a spare over your way."
Ken H.
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76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Brake Shoes [message #245621 is a reply to message #245610] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 22:44 |
Ken Henderson
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Joe,
Not to be uncooperative, but the spare kit is meant to be just that: A
spare immediately available for anyone in the area with an immediate need.
If you forsee the need for a kit, call Manny and arrange for it to be
delivered directly to you on the schedule you need.
I don't know the current price since Manny varies it dependent on his
current costs, but I expect it to be around $1500 plus as much as $300
shipping from W. coast to E. coast (we got the first 4 shipped for <$400
though).
The only additional parts required are the calipers and pads -- it would
make little sense to ship those across the country.
Ken H.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Joe Weir wrote:
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> I may be able to find a home for that kit as I will some front end
> refreshing on the Birch. Do you know what Manny's kit goes for and what
> else needs to be purchased?
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear Brake Shoes [message #245627 is a reply to message #245621] |
Fri, 28 March 2014 23:56 |
Joe Weir
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Ken,
No worries, really.
Thought you were looking to move the kit. I will contact Manny when it is time.
Thanks for the info.
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Joe,
Not to be uncooperative, but the spare kit is meant to be just that: A spare immediately available for anyone in the area with an immediate need. If you forsee the need for a kit, call Manny and arrange for it to be delivered directly to you on the schedule you need.
I don't know the current price since Manny varies it dependent on his current costs, but I expect it to be around $1500 plus as much as $300 shipping from W. coast to E. coast (we got the first 4 shipped for <$400
though).
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76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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