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| Re: Are there any concerns with what I believe I’m seeing? [message #244981 is a reply to message #244974] |
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Keith,
I understand that the front and rear are not the same width.
But shouldn't the two rear tires be in the same line or have the same tracking width?
What I see is that the second rear tire (on both sides of the coach, are sticking out past the first rear tire. So it looks as if it is sticking out past the body itself and could be why the tire skirts might be off the coach.
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: Are there any concerns with what I believe I’m seeing? [message #244982 is a reply to message #244979] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 11:33 |
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| Bob de Kruyff wrote on Tue, 25 March 2014 12:30 |
Are you saying that the two very rear tires sit outboard of the other two rear tires?
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Yes Bob. That is what I believe I'm seeing in the picture.
However, I am not with the coach. It is on the west coast.
I'm trying to be informed of what to look for when I pick up the coach and get it ready for its trip back east.
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: Are there any concerns with what I believe I’m seeing? [message #244984 is a reply to message #244981] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 11:36 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| Ultravan Owners wrote on Tue, 25 March 2014 10:32 |
Keith,
I understand that the front and rear are not the same width.
But shouldn't the two rear tires be in the same line or have the same tracking width?
What I see is that the second rear tire (on both sides of the coach, are sticking out past the first rear tire. So it looks as if it is sticking out past the body itself and could be why the tire skirts might be off the coach.
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I know that all 4 rear tires on my coach protrude equally side to side. Skirts were optional and even if the coach came equipped, many have been removed, damaged, or fell off over time. I see what you are saying in your picture, but it may be just the angle of the camera.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: Are there any concerns with what I believe I’m seeing? [message #244985 is a reply to message #244984] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 11:40 |
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| Bob de Kruyff wrote on Tue, 25 March 2014 12:36 |
| Ultravan Owners wrote on Tue, 25 March 2014 10:32 |
Keith,
I understand that the front and rear are not the same width.
But shouldn't the two rear tires be in the same line or have the same tracking width?
What I see is that the second rear tire (on both sides of the coach, are sticking out past the first rear tire. So it looks as if it is sticking out past the body itself and could be why the tire skirts might be off the coach.
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I know that all 4 rear tires on my coach protrude equally side to side. Skirts were optional and even if the coach came equipped, many have been removed, damaged, or fell off over time. I see what you are saying in your picture, but it may be just the angle of the camera.
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I thought it might be how the picture way taken.
But if not - are there known problems or things I should look for when I am doing PM and getting the coach ready for its trip back east?
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: Are there any concerns with what I believe I’m seeing? [message #244988 is a reply to message #244985] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 11:46 |
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""I thought it might be how the picture way taken.
But if not - are there known problems or things I should look for when I am doing PM and getting the coach ready for its trip back east?
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If the bogies are bent outward, it would have very visual toe in on those rear wheels (which it doesn't appear to have). It's possible that the very rear wheels have a different offset, but I think that may be unlikely. I suspect you are OK.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: Are there any concerns with what I believe I’m seeing? [message #244989 is a reply to message #244974] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 11:56 |
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That is the wheel that takes the punishment hitting curbs on tight right turns so could be a battle scar. Or, could just be normal way the coach came to rest after being parked as the rear wheels each have some independent movement. Or non matching wheel or a bunch of other things. Moving the coach forward may correct the perceived difference.
George Butts
Las Vegas Nevada
73 "Custom 26' Q" & 76 23' Birchaven
71 Honda 600 Coupe & 01 Tracker Toads
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| Re: [GMCnet] Are there any concerns with what I believe I’ m seeing? [message #245046 is a reply to message #245021] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 16:32 |
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Tony,
I may have missed it, but what part of California are you picking up the
GMC?
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
W6TOL
www.GMC-Guy.com
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Thank you everyone.
I hope my trip of bringing this coach back east goes as well or better than
Espen's trip with his latest GMC.
Not having a lot of knowledge about the GMC I hate to get to CA and have no
idea of what to look for. More so if there are common problems I could have
read up on while I have the time (our COLD - LONNNNNNG Winters) to learn as
much as my old pea brain can retain. :d
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Tony (Ontario Canada) Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to
buy our farm. Someday I hope to build the garage of my dreams. We have 4
Ultravans & 2 Corvairs. Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in
back.
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| Re: Are there any concerns with what I believe I’m seeing? [message #245048 is a reply to message #245021] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 16:39 |
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| Ultravan Owners wrote on Tue, 25 March 2014 13:21 |
Thank you everyone.
I hope my trip of bringing this coach back east goes as well or better than Espen's trip with his latest GMC.
Not having a lot of knowledge about the GMC I hate to get to CA and have no idea of what to look for. More so if there are common problems I could have read up on while I have the time (our COLD - LONNNNNNG Winters) to learn as much as my old pea brain can retain. 
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I just went and measured mine. 13.5 inches from the inner fender wall to outside of the tread on all 4 tires. And sitting on a level concrete pad they also look to perfectly in line.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: Are there any concerns with what I believe I’m seeing? [message #245064 is a reply to message #245048] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 17:56 |
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Something else just occurred to me. There appear to be Alcoas on the front and steel on the back, perhaps there are wheels with a different offset on the rear. If you look close at your photo it appears that the rear tire is further out, but not the hub.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: Are there any concerns with what I believe I’m seeing? [message #245080 is a reply to message #244974] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 18:45 |
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Jerry's quote below is from in another email and I thought it best to keep them all in one place.
As most already know I do not plan to keep the coach - it is merely a parts coach that sat for a good while.
I have plans to turn the back part of the frame into a trailer when I get back home.
I was wondering if the True Track kit might be a good investment before I leave CA?
Maybe even more so if I might have to do pin work in the back before I head on my way home.
| glwgmc wrote on Tue, 25 March 2014 18:33 |
The only way to tell for sure about alignment of your rear wheels is to drive or back straight onto a level parking surface. That will unload both bogies. Now check all four for frame parallel. If one on a given side is not frame parallel while the other is, then that arm is bent and needs to be rebent to bring it back to frame parallel. If both are out the same direction and by the same amount you can loosen the bogie mount and shim it to bring them both back to frame parallel. They both should be very close to zero camber or a little tire in at the top by the same amount of camber - one degree or so but no more than three degrees with the coach set a factory ride height front and rear.
When you turn while parking, either going forward or backward the arms will flex and the tires will look cockeyed. That is normal and expected.
Jerry
Jerry Work
The Dovetail Joint
Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building in historic Kerby, OR
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Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: Are there any concerns with what I believe I’m seeing? [message #245087 is a reply to message #244974] |
Tue, 25 March 2014 19:58 |
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By design the rear tires scuff an arc in all but dead straight ahead. The flexing control arms helps to minimize that effect. Last 20 feet or so needs to be wheel on center to unwind the windup before evaluating. .
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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