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| Re: [GMCnet] (no subject) [message #40596 is a reply to message #18365] |
Thu, 16 April 2009 11:46   |
Hanson9
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I was 36 when I bought the 23' 1973 GMC that I still have....in 1979.
Dean The Resourceful Norse Hanson
In a message dated 4/9/2009 5:26:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jimkanomata@gmail.com writes:
You are, I was 39 when I purchased the first GMC.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
> At age 53, I thought I was one of the younger ones!
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> Carl S.
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] (no subject) [message #40598 is a reply to message #40596] |
Thu, 16 April 2009 12:08 |
Ray Erspamer
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin
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When I was 39 I had already WANTED a GMC for 10 years.....but never got one for another 20 years after that !
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
The Malosco Cruiser (TZE368V101144)
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: "Hanson9@aol.com" <Hanson9@aol.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:46:13 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] (no subject)
I was 36 when I bought the 23' 1973 GMC that I still have....in 1979.
Dean The Resourceful Norse Hanson
In a message dated 4/9/2009 5:26:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jimkanomata@gmail.com writes:
You are, I was 39 when I purchased the first GMC.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
> At age 53, I thought I was one of the younger ones!
>
> Carl S.
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
>
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Ray Erspamer
78 GMC Royale Center Kitchen
403, 3.70 Final Drive
Holley Sniper Quadrajet EFI System,
Holley Hyperspark Ignition System
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| Re: [GMCnet] (no subject) [message #40603 is a reply to message #40598] |
Thu, 16 April 2009 12:54 |
Kosier
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Hey,
I just talked to a new owner Sunday who is only 29. And he
bought the
coach himself, it wasn't a gift from family. There IS hope!!
Gary Kosier
77EII & 77PB
Newark, Ohio
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From: "Ray Erspamer" <78gmc-royale@att.net>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] (no subject)
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> When I was 39 I had already WANTED a GMC for 10 years.....but
> never got one for another 20 years after that !
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> The Malosco Cruiser (TZE368V101144)
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Hanson9@aol.com" <Hanson9@aol.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:46:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] (no subject)
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> I was 36 when I bought the 23' 1973 GMC that I still have....in
> 1979.
> Dean The Resourceful Norse Hanson
>
> In a message dated 4/9/2009 5:26:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight
> Time,
> jimkanomata@gmail.com writes:
> You are, I was 39 when I purchased the first GMC.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Carl Stouffer
> <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> At age 53, I thought I was one of the younger ones!
>>
>> Carl S.
>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>> Tucson, AZ.
>>
>>
>>
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> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] (no subject) [message #40608 is a reply to message #18365] |
Thu, 16 April 2009 15:14 |
storm'n
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Ray
When I was 36 we had a GMC. Now at 66 I want 1 again.
               Norm.
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9, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
From: Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] (no subject)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Received: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 1:08 PM
When I was 39 I had already WANTED a GMC for 10 years.....but never got one for another 20 years after that !
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
The Malosco Cruiser (TZE368V101144)
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: "Hanson9@aol.com" <Hanson9@aol.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:46:13 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] (no subject)
I was 36 when I bought the 23' 1973 GMC that I still have....in 1979.
Dean The Resourceful Norse Hanson
In a message dated 4/9/2009Â 5:26:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jimkanomata@gmail.com writes:
You are, IÂ was 39 when I purchased the first GMC.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
> At age 53, I thought IÂ was one of the younger ones!
>
> Carl S.
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
>
>
>
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Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
http://www.appliedgmc.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] (no subject) [message #85035 is a reply to message #85024] |
Mon, 17 May 2010 22:03 |
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USAussie
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Marvin,
I just sent you a copy of the Avion Operating and Maintenance Manual in a
separate message. On page 22 you will find the 12VDC Wiring Diagram that
shows the converter (red and blue wires).
Both my Avions have been updated and I'm not sure where the OEM converter
was located, however, I believe it is located under the love seat behind the
driver.
If you have the OEM unit it is highly recommended that you replace it with a
current technology unit as they WILL boil your batteries dry! Quite a few
owners have had good success with Professional Dynamics units.
Here's a link to a company on eBay that sells them at very reasonable cost.
http://stores.ebay.com/R-and-P-Carriages-Trailer-Sales
The 45 amp model is adequate for our coaches.
I bought a 60 amp unit because I found it would fit mounted to the wheel
well below the shelf under the sink in the bathroom. I installed a ground
fault interrupter outlet in the junction box to the right of the circuit
breaker panel to plug it in.
Unfortunately I didn't take any pictures at the time but I will be back in
the USA mid June and have to do some more wiring in the area and I'll take
some pictures for you.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] (no subject)
We have a 1975 Avion , and was wondering if they have a
convertor from 120v to 12v? Or is there any type of charging
system to keep the Batteries full charged.
Thank You in advance.
Marvin Hills
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [Gmcnet] (no subject) [message #85042 is a reply to message #18365] |
Mon, 17 May 2010 23:13 |
Chr$
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units for sale?
www.bethunesales.com
www.gmccoop.com
www.appliedgmc.com
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: [GMCnet] (no subject) [message #102615 is a reply to message #18365] |
Mon, 11 October 2010 16:52 |
Gary Casey
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Comments in order of the snips from the posts below:
Certainly "driving conservatively" isn't a bad thing and is always to be
recommended, but I don't think it gives much protection of the wallet. The
transmission certainly doesn't care, but the torque converter will be much less
efficient when cold. But it won't warm up much until you put some power through
the converter, so you might as well drive it. You'll burn less gas overall if
you just start it up and drive it. My opinion.
Cummins among others sell engines for gen sets and they are expected to produce
full power within a few seconds of starting. I don't think an idling period
does anything good for either the engine or the turbo, but I suppose it doesn't
hurt anything. To get an idea how much heat is generated during idling, start
up a diesel with your hand on the exhaust manifold - it will get colder before
it starts to get warm. Might as well just start it up and go. Combustion won't
be perfect, the noise level will be higher and it might blow white smoke for a
bit, but it will warm up a lot faster under load.
Regarding Harley engines, I have no experience except to note that their cooling
system (air cooled ones, that is) is far from optimum and the rear cylinder runs
much hotter than the front. And I will admit to warming up my BMW for a minute
before riding, but that was because I was afraid, with the manual choke, that it
might quit in traffic. I mentioned F1 engines as an exception to the rule and
perhaps I should have included Harleys (at the other end of the spectrum - oops,
shouldn't have said that :-).
Yes, coking of the oil after a hot shut-down is a concern for non-water-cooled
turbos, but very often the low speed driving before shutdown is adequate. Not
necessarily true if pulling off a freeway right into a pit stop, so in that case
a minute of idling might be advised. In a diesel the exhaust temperature at
idle is very low, so it doesn't take much idling time to cool off the turbo. It
is a bigger problem with gasoline engines that have higher idle exhaust
temperatures.
Gary
> So 1 minute and drive conservatively for a few minutes. Protects
> your drive train and the environment and your pocket book.
Slightly off topic, but the same for diesel and/or turbo diesel?
Tim Conway
I am going to disagree on one point below. Harley EVO engines need to warm
up before you ride them.
A Harley tech rep told me to start the bike, put on your jacket, put on your
helmet, put on your sunglasses, then feel the rocker boxes, if they were
warm put on your gloves and go! If not wait till they were.
He told me failure to do this would result in the forward part of the front
cylinder and the rear part of the rear cylinder scuffing.
Whenever guys would come to me telling me that they were using a lot of oil
I would pull the spark plugs and use my borescope to check those surfaces
and yup they were scuffed.
Rob M.
One common caution about turbo-diesel is not about cold start, but about hot
shut-down. If a turbo-diesel (any turbocharger equipped engine actually) is
shut down after being at high load and it is not a jacket water cooled turbo
(many still use lube oil to cool the back bearing and plate), lube oil can coke
up (cooked black hard stuff) in the oil spaces that need to be clear for proper
cooling.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] (no subject) [message #102622 is a reply to message #102615] |
Mon, 11 October 2010 17:02 |
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The newest Harleys (last 2 or 3 years) have rear cylinder
disabling when idling in traffic and (IIRC) during "parade"
type duty. Goes back to firing the rear VERY quickly when
the throttle is opened even slightly. This is only with
the new "drive-by-wire" throttles, though. I'm happy that
I had an oil cooler installed on my 2000 Screamin' Eagle
Road Glide. Wife's Dyna Low Rider also has a cooler, but
her oil temperature seems to run almost 30 degrees hotter
than mine does.
Dealer service department states it's because the sensor
on hers is closer to the engine.
I'm a bit suspicious, though.
BTW, all Harleys have been fuel injection for quite a
few years, now. No more fiddling with choke to keep
them running at startup!
Mine has air suspension, electronic cruise control, and
a bunch of other nice stuff!
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> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:52:01 -0700
> From: casey.gary@yahoo.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] (no subject)
>
> Comments in order of the snips from the posts below:
> Certainly "driving conservatively" isn't a bad thing and is always to be
> recommended, but I don't think it gives much protection of the wallet. The
> transmission certainly doesn't care, but the torque converter will be much less
> efficient when cold. But it won't warm up much until you put some power through
> the converter, so you might as well drive it. You'll burn less gas overall if
> you just start it up and drive it. My opinion.
>
> Cummins among others sell engines for gen sets and they are expected to produce
> full power within a few seconds of starting. I don't think an idling period
> does anything good for either the engine or the turbo, but I suppose it doesn't
> hurt anything. To get an idea how much heat is generated during idling, start
> up a diesel with your hand on the exhaust manifold - it will get colder before
> it starts to get warm. Might as well just start it up and go. Combustion won't
> be perfect, the noise level will be higher and it might blow white smoke for a
> bit, but it will warm up a lot faster under load.
>
> Regarding Harley engines, I have no experience except to note that their cooling
> system (air cooled ones, that is) is far from optimum and the rear cylinder runs
> much hotter than the front. And I will admit to warming up my BMW for a minute
> before riding, but that was because I was afraid, with the manual choke, that it
> might quit in traffic. I mentioned F1 engines as an exception to the rule and
> perhaps I should have included Harleys (at the other end of the spectrum - oops,
> shouldn't have said that :-).
>
> Yes, coking of the oil after a hot shut-down is a concern for non-water-cooled
> turbos, but very often the low speed driving before shutdown is adequate. Not
> necessarily true if pulling off a freeway right into a pit stop, so in that case
> a minute of idling might be advised. In a diesel the exhaust temperature at
> idle is very low, so it doesn't take much idling time to cool off the turbo. It
> is a bigger problem with gasoline engines that have higher idle exhaust
> temperatures.
> Gary
>
>
> > So 1 minute and drive conservatively for a few minutes. Protects
> > your drive train and the environment and your pocket book.
>
> Slightly off topic, but the same for diesel and/or turbo diesel?
> Tim Conway
>
> I am going to disagree on one point below. Harley EVO engines need to warm
> up before you ride them.
>
> A Harley tech rep told me to start the bike, put on your jacket, put on your
> helmet, put on your sunglasses, then feel the rocker boxes, if they were
> warm put on your gloves and go! If not wait till they were.
>
> He told me failure to do this would result in the forward part of the front
> cylinder and the rear part of the rear cylinder scuffing.
>
> Whenever guys would come to me telling me that they were using a lot of oil
> I would pull the spark plugs and use my borescope to check those surfaces
> and yup they were scuffed.
> Rob M.
>
> One common caution about turbo-diesel is not about cold start, but about hot
> shut-down. If a turbo-diesel (any turbocharger equipped engine actually) is
> shut down after being at high load and it is not a jacket water cooled turbo
> (many still use lube oil to cool the back bearing and plate), lube oil can coke
> up (cooked black hard stuff) in the oil spaces that need to be clear for proper
> cooling.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] (no subject) [message #109244 is a reply to message #18365] |
Tue, 21 December 2010 07:04 |
Gary Casey
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Chuck,
Thanks for your reply. I, too was a little bit "loose" with my words on
occasion. You state that even with 4-wheel reaction systems the rear caliper
should have a reduced diameter piston. Yes, the rears will still have lower
traction, but not because they "trail." The reason is that the reaction arm
system doesn't have parallel arms (I'm not positive of this and that's why I
didn't address that issue before. When it comes to braking-induced loads it
depends on what we would call the "instant center" of the reaction. In the
standard system it is easy to locate - it's the bogie pivot. But for a reaction
arm system the instant center is where the lines connecting the axle to the
bogie pivot and the pivot points of the reaction arms intersect. If they were
parallel the instant center is at infinity and there will be no lifting (or
lowering) effect. But they aren't parallel, so they will intersect at some
distance ahead of the wheel (for the rears). The original has an 18 inch
distance, but what is the distance to the instant center for the reaction arm
system? I suspect it is about double that, but I don't know. That is enough to
make a dramatic improvement, but not enough to eliminate all the detrimental
effects of the instant center being high and in front of the wheel. Just as a
comparison, if the instant center were only 12 inches ahead (of the rears and
behind the fronts) the braking behavior would probably be a total disaster. 18
inches is only 50% greater than "ground zero." But 36 inches is probably 3
times the "critical" distance. Pretty good, and probably good enough for all
practical purposes.
Sorry, my explanation was too wordy.
Gary Casey
From Chuck:
Gary Stated:
2. With a trailing axle rear suspension the rears will lock early. No
question. Will they still lock if the reaction arm system is used
for the
middles? I suspect so, but I haven't heard
What we found out in the testing we did 3 years ago on Rick
Flanagan's coach at Jim's place is you do not want to use calipers
over 70 mm on the rear wheels. Even though both rear wheels carry
about the same load during braking on the rear wheel tires with the
reaction arm system installed are not capability of providing as much
braking ability as the mid and front wheels. The friction on rear
tires that are being drug along is not as high as the mid and front
tires that are being pushed. Anyone know the answer as to why?
Chuck who is extremely happy that someone developed the reaction arm
system
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