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| Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool [message #243555 is a reply to message #243382] |
Fri, 14 March 2014 22:28   |
Bruce Hart
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Went to Direct Tire today to have two tires put on my rig and they used an
air gun with a wire brush and cleaned off the lug bolts. This was the
first time that I had seen anyone do this before.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 5:20 PM, David H. Jarvis <jarvis210@shaw.ca> wrote:
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool [message #243675 is a reply to message #243619] |
Sat, 15 March 2014 19:30 |
Ken Henderson
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Entirely coincidentally, a visiting GMC friend just told me, within the
past hour, the tale of his Suburban and Avion travel trailer, many years
ago: After putting new Michelins on the Suburban, he and wife headed south
towing the Avion. As he started across a bridge, a rear wheel on the
Suburban sheared all of the studs (which he KNEW were TIGHT, and had just
visually and "kick" checked at a rest stop) and jumped over into the water
below the bridge. The Suburban and Avion continued a full bridge width
course to the other end of the bridge, where the Avion rolled over,
releasing the Suburban to finally come to a halt in the median headed back
home.
That friend, owner of a truck and RV repair facility states that neither he
nor anyone working for him has ever again tightened a lug nut without a
torque wrench. I understand why. All of us might consider it.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:21 PM, mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net>wrote:
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> As often as the wheels are off why not just use a cheap brass brush and
> air? To tell you the truth I don't use a torque wrench on wheel studs. I
> just pull them down tight. Drive the vehicle about 25 miles and retighten.
> It's not the connecting rod cap bolts we are talking about and I have
> serious doubts most tire stores measure the torque....for if they did Iwouldn't need a 48" cheater bar on a 30" breaker bar to get the lugs off
> when I rotate the tires the first time after new ones are installed.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool [message #243687 is a reply to message #243359] |
Sat, 15 March 2014 20:43 |
Steve
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I just re-torqued my Alcoa lug nuts today. First time was after 100 miles. This time after the second 100 miles. I was surprised at how lose a few of the nuts were the first time. Much better this time. Next re-torque scheduled at 500 miles. This was the procedure recommended by Ken Frey.
1978 GMC Royal
Eastern Pennslyvania
1968 Chevrolet C20 396 Camper Special
1969 Chevrolet C20 Camper Special
1985 Buick Electra Park Avenue
1992 Camaro 25th Anniversary Heretage Edition Black
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool [message #243822 is a reply to message #243619] |
Sun, 16 March 2014 18:06 |
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I notice the high volume minimumwage pklaces - costco, walmart, etc. have gone to specific extensions they use on their impact wrenches. They've a wall board, and they olook up the vehicle and wheel, and then pick the listed extention. I have the idea that each extentionhas a different 'speringiness'n and thus will apply a specific torque using their wrench. Can anyone confirm or deny?
--johnny
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From: mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool
As often as the wheels are off why not just use a cheap brass brush and air? To tell you the truth I don't use a torque wrench on wheel studs. I just pull them down tight. Drive the vehicle about 25 miles and retighten. It's not the connecting rod cap bolts we are talking about and I have serious doubts most tire stores measure the torque....for if they did I wouldn't need a 48" cheater bar on a 30" breaker bar to get the lugs off when I rotate the tires the first time after new ones are installed.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool [message #243826 is a reply to message #243822] |
Sun, 16 March 2014 18:22 |
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I can confirm this is what is used up here in the great white north
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=646363&group_ID=675680&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
| Johnny Bridges wrote on Sun, 16 March 2014 19:06 |
I notice the high volume minimumwage pklaces - costco, walmart, etc. have gone to specific extensions they use on their impact wrenches. They've a wall board, and they olook up the vehicle and wheel, and then pick the listed extention. I have the idea that each extentionhas a different 'speringiness'n and thus will apply a specific torque using their wrench. Can anyone confirm or deny?
--johnny
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From: mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool
As often as the wheels are off why not just use a cheap brass brush and air? To tell you the truth I don't use a torque wrench on wheel studs. I just pull them down tight. Drive the vehicle about 25 miles and retighten. It's not the connecting rod cap bolts we are talking about and I have serious doubts most tire stores measure the torque....for if they did I wouldn't need a 48" cheater bar on a 30" breaker bar to get the lugs off when I rotate the tires the first time after new ones are installed.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool [message #243838 is a reply to message #243826] |
Sun, 16 March 2014 19:21 |
jhbridges
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Them's the type. If Snap-On makes them, they prolly work correctly.
Thanks,
Johnny
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Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool
I can confirm this is what is used up here in the great white north
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=646363&group_ID=675680&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
Johnny Bridges wrote on Sun, 16 March 2014 19:06
> I notice the high volume minimumwage pklaces - costco, walmart, etc. have gone to specific extensions they use on their impact wrenches. They've a wall board, and they olook up the vehicle and wheel, and then pick the listed extention. I have the idea that each extentionhas a different 'speringiness'n and thus will apply a specific torque using their wrench. Can anyone confirm or deny?
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> --johnny
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> From: mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool
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> As often as the wheels are off why not just use a cheap brass brush and air? To tell you the truth I don't use a torque wrench on wheel studs. I just pull them down tight. Drive the vehicle about 25 miles and retighten. It's not the connecting rod cap bolts we are talking about and I have serious doubts most tire stores measure the torque....for if they did I wouldn't need a 48" cheater bar on a 30" breaker bar to get the lugs off when I rotate the tires the first time after new ones are installed.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool [message #243852 is a reply to message #243643] |
Sun, 16 March 2014 20:09 |
mikethebike
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I didn't say there was no torque specification for the wheels....I said the tire guys don't abide by them.
BIG difference. EVERY screw, bolt and nut made has a torque spec.
I don't allow tire guys to touch my aluminum rims on any vehicle I own. I change my own motorcycle tires with a H/F changer and balance them with Dyna-Beads.
| USAussie wrote on Sat, 15 March 2014 17:43 |
Mike,
I'm sorry but I'm going to disagree with you on this.
You can find the instructions on tightening the OEM wheel stud nuts in MM X-7525 / Section 10 - Wheels & Tires / Page 10-2 / Figure
2 - Wheel Stud Tightening Sequence. However, the MM notes to torque the wheel studs to 250 ft lb it has been noted here on the
GMCnet that's too high. I checked MM X-7625, MM X-7625; and the Service Bulletins for Wheels and Tires but couldn't find anything
from GMC lowering that torque. Anyone know where the "correct" torque can be found?
The procedure for Alcoa wheels is NOT the same; it can be found here: http://www.gmcmotorhome.com/tech/alcoa_wheels/index.html
It has been noted here that when you take your GMC into a tire store to have the tires replaced not to allow the technicians to use
an impact wrench to torque the wheel studs. Obviously you'll have to hang around to make sure they follow your instructions.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: mike foster
As often as the wheels are off why not just use a cheap brass brush and air? To tell you the truth I don't use a torque wrench on
wheel studs. I just pull them down tight. Drive the vehicle about 25 miles and retighten. It's not the connecting rod cap bolts we
are talking about and I have serious doubts most tire stores measure the torque....for if they did I wouldn't need a 48" cheater bar
on a 30" breaker bar to get the lugs off when I rotate the tires the first time after new ones are installed.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool [message #243856 is a reply to message #243852] |
Sun, 16 March 2014 20:16 |
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USAussie
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Mike,
With all due respect if you scroll down to the first message below you will find the following sentences.
"To tell you the truth I don't use a torque wrench on wheel studs. I just pull them down tight. Drive the vehicle about 25 miles and
retighten."
That's what I was disagreeing with.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of mike foster
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:10 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool
I didn't say there was no torque specification for the wheels....I said the tire guys don't abide by them.
BIG difference. EVERY screw, bolt and nut made has a torque spec.
USAussie wrote on Sat, 15 March 2014 17:43
> Mike,
>
> I'm sorry but I'm going to disagree with you on this.
>
> You can find the instructions on tightening the OEM wheel stud nuts in MM X-7525 / Section 10 - Wheels & Tires / Page 10-2 /
Figure
> 2 - Wheel Stud Tightening Sequence. However, the MM notes to torque the wheel studs to 250 ft lb it has been noted here on the
> GMCnet that's too high. I checked MM X-7625, MM X-7625; and the Service Bulletins for Wheels and Tires but couldn't find anything
> from GMC lowering that torque. Anyone know where the "correct" torque can be found?
>
> The procedure for Alcoa wheels is NOT the same; it can be found here: http://www.gmcmotorhome.com/tech/alcoa_wheels/index.html
>
> It has been noted here that when you take your GMC into a tire store to have the tires replaced not to allow the technicians to
use
> an impact wrench to torque the wheel studs. Obviously you'll have to hang around to make sure they follow your instructions.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike foster
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> As often as the wheels are off why not just use a cheap brass brush and air? To tell you the truth I don't use a torque wrench on
> wheel studs. I just pull them down tight. Drive the vehicle about 25 miles and retighten. It's not the connecting rod cap bolts we
> are talking about and I have serious doubts most tire stores measure the torque....for if they did I wouldn't need a 48" cheater
bar
> on a 30" breaker bar to get the lugs off when I rotate the tires the first time after new ones are installed.
>
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool [message #243860 is a reply to message #243856] |
Sun, 16 March 2014 20:30 |
mikethebike
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Ok, but why the quote from the manual? I have a manual, I just don't always follow it!
Kidding....wheels need to be tight enough but not too tight and I don't think I'll over tighten them at my age.
| USAussie wrote on Sun, 16 March 2014 20:16 |
Mike,
With all due respect if you scroll down to the first message below you will find the following sentences.
"To tell you the truth I don't use a torque wrench on wheel studs. I just pull them down tight. Drive the vehicle about 25 miles and
retighten."
That's what I was disagreeing with.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of mike foster
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:10 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool
I didn't say there was no torque specification for the wheels....I said the tire guys don't abide by them.
BIG difference. EVERY screw, bolt and nut made has a torque spec.
USAussie wrote on Sat, 15 March 2014 17:43
> Mike,
>
> I'm sorry but I'm going to disagree with you on this.
>
> You can find the instructions on tightening the OEM wheel stud nuts in MM X-7525 / Section 10 - Wheels & Tires / Page 10-2 /
Figure
> 2 - Wheel Stud Tightening Sequence. However, the MM notes to torque the wheel studs to 250 ft lb it has been noted here on the
> GMCnet that's too high. I checked MM X-7625, MM X-7625; and the Service Bulletins for Wheels and Tires but couldn't find anything
> from GMC lowering that torque. Anyone know where the "correct" torque can be found?
>
> The procedure for Alcoa wheels is NOT the same; it can be found here: http://www.gmcmotorhome.com/tech/alcoa_wheels/index.html
>
> It has been noted here that when you take your GMC into a tire store to have the tires replaced not to allow the technicians to
use
> an impact wrench to torque the wheel studs. Obviously you'll have to hang around to make sure they follow your instructions.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike foster
>
> As often as the wheels are off why not just use a cheap brass brush and air? To tell you the truth I don't use a torque wrench on
> wheel studs. I just pull them down tight. Drive the vehicle about 25 miles and retighten. It's not the connecting rod cap bolts we
> are talking about and I have serious doubts most tire stores measure the torque....for if they did I wouldn't need a 48" cheater
bar
> on a 30" breaker bar to get the lugs off when I rotate the tires the first time after new ones are installed.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool [message #243861 is a reply to message #243860] |
Sun, 16 March 2014 20:37 |
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The GMC manuals give torque specs for the OEM, hub-centered steel wheels. General recommendations for alloy wheels runs around 140 ft-lbs instead of 250.
Mac in OKC
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> On Mar 16, 2014, at 20:31, "mike foster" <mafoster1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> Ok, but why the quote from the manual? I have a manual, I just don't always follow it!
>
> Kidding....wheels need to be tight enough but not too tight and I don't think I'll over tighten them at my age.
>
> USAussie wrote on Sun, 16 March 2014 20:16
>> Mike,
>>
>> With all due respect if you scroll down to the first message below you will find the following sentences.
>>
>> "To tell you the truth I don't use a torque wrench on wheel studs. I just pull them down tight. Drive the vehicle about 25 miles and
>> retighten."
>>
>> That's what I was disagreeing with.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of mike foster
>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:10 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool
>>
>> I didn't say there was no torque specification for the wheels....I said the tire guys don't abide by them.
>>
>> BIG difference. EVERY screw, bolt and nut made has a torque spec.
>>
>> USAussie wrote on Sat, 15 March 2014 17:43
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> I'm sorry but I'm going to disagree with you on this.
>>>
>>> You can find the instructions on tightening the OEM wheel stud nuts in MM X-7525 / Section 10 - Wheels & Tires / Page 10-2 /
>> Figure
>>> 2 - Wheel Stud Tightening Sequence. However, the MM notes to torque the wheel studs to 250 ft lb it has been noted here on the
>>> GMCnet that's too high. I checked MM X-7625, MM X-7625; and the Service Bulletins for Wheels and Tires but couldn't find anything
>>> from GMC lowering that torque. Anyone know where the "correct" torque can be found?
>>>
>>> The procedure for Alcoa wheels is NOT the same; it can be found here: http://www.gmcmotorhome.com/tech/alcoa_wheels/index.html
>>>
>>> It has been noted here that when you take your GMC into a tire store to have the tires replaced not to allow the technicians to
>> use
>>> an impact wrench to torque the wheel studs. Obviously you'll have to hang around to make sure they follow your instructions.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rob M.
>>> Sydney, Australia
>>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mike foster
>>>
>>> As often as the wheels are off why not just use a cheap brass brush and air? To tell you the truth I don't use a torque wrench on
>>> wheel studs. I just pull them down tight. Drive the vehicle about 25 miles and retighten. It's not the connecting rod cap bolts we
>>> are talking about and I have serious doubts most tire stores measure the torque....for if they did I wouldn't need a 48" cheater
>> bar
>>> on a 30" breaker bar to get the lugs off when I rotate the tires the first time after new ones are installed.
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stud Cleaning Tool [message #243875 is a reply to message #243869] |
Sun, 16 March 2014 23:30 |
Ken Burton
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When you tighten the lugs on the steel wheels you have to overcome the friction of the built in flat surface (non movable washer area) of the lug nut. On the aluminum wheels that washer moves on the nut so most of the added friction is non-existant.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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