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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems [message #243290 is a reply to message #243278] |
Thu, 13 March 2014 08:29   |
Ken Henderson
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Michael,
I'm glad you brought that up. At one time I considered becoming a dealer
for TPMS's for GMC's, but when I started researching the plethora of
systems available, all from China, I decided it would be too much of a
nightmare. I'd rather have some car manufacturer do the R&D. I only
posted the link because of the 3 yr. warranty and to re-stimulate
discussion of the topic.
I keep thinking that with TPMS now required, someone will identify some
junkyard systems for us. Are you that someone? :-)
Ken H.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Michael wrote:
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> My serious recommendation is that you get a system where the sensors are
> installed inside the tire and it monitors temperature also.
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> Not only will you be able to know if your tires are properly inflated when
> you start and continue driving, but you will know if the temperature has
> suddenly increased due to say... a seized brake.
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> I am a committee member for SAE regarding future practices for TPMS.
> Canada also requires Temperature Monitoring on all new Public Buses,
> because there are more tire failures/fires due to heat from a seized brake
> on a bus than due to low tire pressure.
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> Just my 2 cents :)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems [message #243297 is a reply to message #243278] |
Thu, 13 March 2014 08:47 |
rjw
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| Michael Leipold wrote on Thu, 13 March 2014 08:15 |
My and it monitors temperature also.
Not only will you be able to know if your tires are properly inflated wheserious recommendation is that you get a system where the sensors are installed inside the tiren you start and continue driving, but you will know if the temperature has suddenly increased due to say... a seized brake.
I am a committee member for SAE regarding future practices for TPMS. Canada also requires Temperature Monitoring on all new Public Buses, because there are more tire failures/fires due to heat from a seized brake on a bus than due to low tire pressure.
Just my 2 cents 
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I'm sorry but I don't agree with your "serious recommendation is that you get a system where the sensors are installed inside the tire". That may have been true in the past, but most of today's add on systems for RVs and trucks have sensors that attach to the valve stem. They measure pressure and temperature. The big advantage is that the tire does not have to be removed in order to install and later service the sensor.
The monitor panel will alert the driver to wheels that have exceeded a preset temperature, high or low pressure, rapid pressure loss and loss of sensor signal.
In my case, if I had to remove all of my tires to install sensors, I would probably still be driving without TPMS. I agree that pressure and temperature monitoring is something that we should all have in our GMCs. The systems are affordable and easy to install by the user.
The newer systems also have batteries that can be replaced by the end user. You can also add air via flow through sensors.
I have the TST system Ken gave link for.
Just my 2 cents
Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com
Roller Cam 455, TBI+EBL, 3.42 FD, 4 Bag, Macerator, Lenzi (brakes, vacuum system, front end stuff), Manny Tranny, vacuum step, Tankless + OEM water heaters.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems [message #243301 is a reply to message #243297] |
Thu, 13 March 2014 09:01 |
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USAussie
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Richard,
The downside to transmitters mounted on the tire stems are:
1) the can be stolen or vandalized
2) they can get damaged when you hit a curb
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: RJW
I'm sorry but I don't agree with your "serious recommendation is that you get a system where the sensors are installed inside the
tire". That may have been true in the past, but most of today's add on systems for RVs and trucks have sensors that attach to the
valve stem. They measure pressure and temperature. The big advantage is that the tire does not have to be removed in order to
install and later service the sensor.
The monitor panel will alert the driver to wheels that have exceeded a preset temperature, high or low pressure, rapid pressure loss
and loss of sensor signal.
In my case, if I had to remove all of my tires to install sensors, I would probably still be driving without TPMS. I agree that
pressure and temperature monitoring is something that we should all have in our GMCs. The systems are affordable and easy to
install by the user.
The newer systems also have batteries that can be replaced by the end user. You can also add air via flow through sensors.
I have the TST system Ken gave link for.
Just my 2 cents
Richard
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems [message #243304 is a reply to message #243290] |
Thu, 13 March 2014 09:24 |
rjw
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Thu, 13 March 2014 09:29 |
Michael,
I'm glad you brought that up. At one time I considered becoming a dealer
for TPMS's for GMC's, but when I started researching the plethora of
systems available, all from China, I decided it would be too much of a
nightmare. I'd rather have some car manufacturer do the R&D. I only
posted the link because of the 3 yr. warranty and to re-stimulate
discussion of the topic.
I keep thinking that with TPMS now required, someone will identify some
junkyard systems for us. Are you that someone?
Ken H.
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There certainly are plenty of systems out there and most seem to be made in China. I don't know what the longevity of the sensors will end up being in actual use. So far I've had my system (TST) in place for almost a year. There is a 3-year warranty and that might mean they last that long. They are $50/each. I've had occasion to contact TST's support people and they are located in Atlanta and were good about getting back to me.
I've not had a situation where the system warned me of an actual problem (knock on wood). However, in my simulations (removing a sensor to simulate rapid loss of pressure and heat gun to simulate excess temperature) the alarm sounded appropriately.
Temperatures and pressures seem to be consistent with actual pressures read by a tire gauge and temps by infrared thermometer. I replaced the batteries in the sensors this week. They are inexpensive and available everywhere. I'm going to make battery changees an annual spring ritual.
The only negative I've experienced with the system is an occasional loss of signal. Tech support recommends a signal repeater which I have ordered and will be waiting for me at the State Park in Florida where we are heading now.
Right now I would feel naked with out TPMS. Even though I have TPMS, I still check GMC tire pressures daily and temps manually at each fuel stop. I also get new tires when they are older than 7 years.
Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com
Roller Cam 455, TBI+EBL, 3.42 FD, 4 Bag, Macerator, Lenzi (brakes, vacuum system, front end stuff), Manny Tranny, vacuum step, Tankless + OEM water heaters.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems [message #243312 is a reply to message #243304] |
Thu, 13 March 2014 09:59 |
Ultravan Owners
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| rjw wrote on Thu, 13 March 2014 10:24 |
There certainly are plenty of systems out there and most seem to be made in China. I don't know what the longevity of the sensors will end up being in actual use. So far I've had my system (TST) in place for almost a year. There is a 3-year warranty and that might mean they last that long. They are $50/each. I've had occasion to contact TST's support people and they are located in Atlanta and were good about getting back to me.
I've not had a situation where the system warned me of an actual problem (knock on wood). However, in my simulations (removing a sensor to simulate rapid loss of pressure and heat gun to simulate excess temperature) the alarm sounded appropriately.
Temperatures and pressures seem to be consistent with actual pressures read by a tire gauge and temps by infrared thermometer. I replaced the batteries in the sensors this week. They are inexpensive and available everywhere. I'm going to make battery changees an annual spring ritual.
The only negative I've experienced with the system is an occasional loss of signal. Tech support recommends a signal repeater which I have ordered and will be waiting for me at the State Park in Florida where we are heading now.
Right now I would feel naked with out TPMS. Even though I have TPMS, I still check GMC tire pressures daily and temps manually at each fuel stop. I also get new tires when they are older than 7 years.
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Richard,
If you or anyone else is interested and will be nearby:
The Eastern Ultra Van Rally in Florida will be held March 24th through March 27, 2014 at The Manatee Hammock Campground
7275 South U S Highway 1, Titusville, FL 32780.
Phone: 321-264-5083.
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems [message #243316 is a reply to message #243173] |
Thu, 13 March 2014 10:11 |
Ultravan Owners
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With everyone talking tire presure and what not I was wondering.
Does anyone run that special air (forgot its name) in your tires that will last much longer than air itself?
When I got new tires on my Ford F-150 I paid the extra money to have it installed in the tires and I have yet to add any air.
It is now going on a year and a half I think.
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems [message #243321 is a reply to message #243316] |
Thu, 13 March 2014 10:29 |
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Richard Andis
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| Ultravan Owners wrote on Thu, 13 March 2014 10:11 |
With everyone talking tire presure and what not I was wondering.
Does anyone run that special air (forgot its name) in your tires that will last much longer than air itself?
When I got new tires on my Ford F-150 I paid the extra money to have it installed in the tires and I have yet to add any air.
It is now going on a year and a half I think.
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I believe it's nitrogen. Not worth the extra expense. Regular air contains about 78% nitrogen.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems [message #243370 is a reply to message #243316] |
Thu, 13 March 2014 16:36 |
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Tony,
You're talking about 100% dry nitrogen.
Following copied from Wikipedia:
By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.039% carbon dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.
Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1%.
We discussed this subject awhile back and I think the general consensus was that 100% dry nitrogen wasn't worth it on a GMC.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony
With everyone talking tire presure and what not I was wondering.
Does anyone run that special air (forgot its name) in your tires that will last much longer than air itself?
When I got new tires on my Ford F-150 I paid the extra money to have it installed in the tires and I have yet to add any air.
It is now going on a year and a half I think.
--
Tony
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems [message #243412 is a reply to message #243405] |
Thu, 13 March 2014 23:15 |
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I am waiting for a system that will talk to your android or iPhone/pad. I would like to integrate a tablet into the dash to use for music,reversing,camera,navigation, toms etc.
I don't want to have separate screens for each system. There are some out there but I cannot find a system that monitors more than 4 wheels if any one comes across one please post here
Trevor
Brisbane Australia
Siesta Koala 76 Edgemont (old Bobby Moores)
71 Cadillac Eldo Convert
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