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I have 4 original Yenko's. I hear of people having all kinds of Yenko parts for sale. As for the 427. The 427 that Don Yenko, ( and a few other dealers that knew about the COPO ordering system ) had GM put in 69 Camaros, and Chevelles was the engine that was installed in Corvettes of that year. GM did the installation by way of GM's COPO ordering system. COPO ment Central Office Purchase Order. Putting a 427 engine in a Camaro, or Chevelle had to be approved by engineering before being installed. At this time there are probable more COPO 427 engines out there now, then back in 69. This is because guy's are taking 454's, and putting 427 cranks in the 454 blocks to make 427's. In 69, the block engine code was stamped on the block by the right head. The cars VIN was stamped on the left side by the oil filter on the rough casting. The cast iron 427 really aren't worth a lot. There were 69 aluminum block ZL1 Camaros made in 69. Those blocks are worth a lot of money.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Yenko 427 engine on eBay BOGUS ENGINES ( No GMC Content ) [message #241659 is a reply to message #241642] |
Thu, 27 February 2014 13:39  |
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I get the impression those were kind of like the Ford 427 'sideoilder' NASCAR engines. You had to Know Somebody to get your order approved. The Ford dealer in Prattville at the time was a family friend, Mr Monroe Johnson. He oncetold me me the order book said "Available only in Tudor Sedan. Available only in Corinthian White. No Radio No A/C. NO WARRANTY" and said they wouldn't send him one anyway.
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I have 4 original Yenko's. I hear of people having all kinds of Yenko parts for sale. As for the 427. The 427 that Don Yenko, ( and a few other dealers that knew about the COPO ordering system ) had GM put in 69 Camaros, and Chevelles was the engine that was installed in Corvettes of that year. GM did the installation by way of GM's COPO ordering system. COPO ment Central Office Purchase Order. Putting a 427 engine in a Camaro, or Chevelle had to be approved by engineering before being installed. At this time there are probable more COPO 427 engines out there now, then back in 69. This is because guy's are taking 454's, and putting 427 cranks in the 454 blocks to make 427's. In 69, the block engine code was stamped on the block by the right head. The cars VIN was stamped on the left side by the oil filter on the rough casting. The cast iron 427 really aren't worth a lot. There were 69 aluminum block ZL1 Camaros made in 69. Those blocks are
worth a lot of money.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Yenko 427 engine on eBay BOGUS ENGINES ( No GMC Content ) [message #241662 is a reply to message #241642] |
Thu, 27 February 2014 14:28 |
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Johnny you are kinda correct.The 64 Thunderbolt 427 could not be bought or registered only drag racers got him,Same with the 1968 426 Hemi Darts,plate says for off road use only.Yenkos could be drivin daily and are user friendly.One would not want to be anywhere near a Thunderbolt or a Hemi Dart thats serious Power.
Cop Cars and a few Cougars got the 427 until mid 68 when it was discontinued
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| Re: [GMCnet] Yenko 427 engine on eBay BOGUS ENGINES ( No GMC Content ) [message #241698 is a reply to message #241662] |
Thu, 27 February 2014 19:34 |
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Someone interviewed Robert Platt about the Thunderbolt - an alleged Fairlane with the sideoiler stuffed in - a while back. Interesting guy. Also interesting - the two I ever saw in cars. One went in a '56 Crown Vic the parts guy for a local Ford store built up. The other was in a Tudor white sedan which belonged to the pair of guys who made their living setting up the computer systems - then a radiclal idea - for dealerships. They based North of Montgomery and used to stop for gas in the Pure station where I worked.
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Johnny you are kinda correct.The 64 Thunderbolt 427 could not be bought or registered only drag racers got him,Same with the 1968 426 Hemi Darts,plate says for off road use only.Yenkos could be drivin daily and are user friendly.One would not want to be anywhere near a Thunderbolt or a Hemi Dart thats serious Power.
Cop Cars and a few Cougars got the 427 until mid 68 when it was discontinued
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| Re: [GMCnet] Yenko 427 engine on eBay BOGUS ENGINES ( No GMC Content ) [message #241706 is a reply to message #241659] |
Thu, 27 February 2014 20:15 |
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Ford installed 427 medium risers in quite a few Cougars in 67 or 68. Never saw one in a Mustang and while Fairlanes were advertised as having the 427 as an option on the street, I never saw one. Shelby could not get enough 427's for the Cobra street cars in 65/66 because they were all being used in race cars (Mk-II's, NASCAR and drag racers) and used mostly 428 2X4 police interceptor engines....no roll bars, no side pipes, no flared rear wheel openings. A friend of mine in Charleston, SC (Mack Kemp) drove his '427' to his office on Broad St. every day.
| Johnny Bridges wrote on Thu, 27 February 2014 13:39 |
I get the impression those were kind of like the Ford 427 'sideoilder' NASCAR engines. You had to Know Somebody to get your order approved. The Ford dealer in Prattville at the time was a family friend, Mr Monroe Johnson. He oncetold me me the order book said "Available only in Tudor Sedan. Available only in Corinthian White. No Radio No A/C. NO WARRANTY" and said they wouldn't send him one anyway.
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Subject: [GMCnet] Yenko 427 engine on eBay BOGUS ENGINES ( No GMC Content )
I have 4 original Yenko's. I hear of people having all kinds of Yenko parts for sale. As for the 427. The 427 that Don Yenko, ( and a few other dealers that knew about the COPO ordering system ) had GM put in 69 Camaros, and Chevelles was the engine that was installed in Corvettes of that year. GM did the installation by way of GM's COPO ordering system. COPO ment Central Office Purchase Order. Putting a 427 engine in a Camaro, or Chevelle had to be approved by engineering before being installed. At this time there are probable more COPO 427 engines out there now, then back in 69. This is because guy's are taking 454's, and putting 427 cranks in the 454 blocks to make 427's. In 69, the block engine code was stamped on the block by the right head. The cars VIN was stamped on the left side by the oil filter on the rough casting. The cast iron 427 really aren't worth a lot. There were 69 aluminum block ZL1 Camaros made in 69. Those blocks are
worth a lot of money.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Yenko 427 engine on eBay BOGUS ENGINES ( No GMC Content ) [message #241707 is a reply to message #241702] |
Thu, 27 February 2014 20:12 |
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I meant the thing started out as a Fairlane. With torsion bars in frint which stuck out. Platt still has one in Alpharetta or its environs.
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The 'T'Bolt was not 'alleged'...Atwater Ford in Burlington, NC had one on the used car lot in 1966.
Johnny Bridges wrote on Thu, 27 February 2014 19:34
> Someone interviewed Robert Platt about the Thunderbolt - an alleged Fairlane with the sideoiler stuffed in - a while back. Interesting guy. Also interesting - the two I ever saw in cars. One went in a '56 Crown Vic the parts guy for a local Ford store built up. The other was in a Tudor white sedan which belonged to the pair of guys who made their living setting up the computer systems - then a radiclal idea - for dealerships. They based North of Montgomery and used to stop for gas in the Pure station where I worked.
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> Johnny you are kinda correct.The 64 Thunderbolt 427 could not be bought or registered only drag racers got him,Same with the 1968 426 Hemi Darts,plate says for off road use only.Yenkos could be drivin daily and are user friendly.One would not want to be anywhere near a Thunderbolt or a Hemi Dart thats serious Power.
> Cop Cars and a few Cougars got the 427 until mid 68 when it was discontinued
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| Re: [GMCnet] Yenko 427 engine on eBay BOGUS ENGINES ( No GMC Content ) [message #241708 is a reply to message #241707] |
Thu, 27 February 2014 20:29 |
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Torsion bars????????????? Those things sticking out front under the bumper were for the tow bar attachment. They had spring tower suspensions with coils on top of the upper control are (this was a safety thing to keep the upper ball joint from falling out when it wore down.)
Robert Platt? I've heard of HUBERT PLATT...big time Georgia based, Ford drag racer back in the 60's and 70's...never heard of Robert Platt.....Robert PLANT....but not Robert Platt.
| Johnny Bridges wrote on Thu, 27 February 2014 20:12 |
I meant the thing started out as a Fairlane. With torsion bars in frint which stuck out. Platt still has one in Alpharetta or its environs.
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The 'T'Bolt was not 'alleged'...Atwater Ford in Burlington, NC had one on the used car lot in 1966.
Johnny Bridges wrote on Thu, 27 February 2014 19:34
> Someone interviewed Robert Platt about the Thunderbolt - an alleged Fairlane with the sideoiler stuffed in - a while back. Interesting guy. Also interesting - the two I ever saw in cars. One went in a '56 Crown Vic the parts guy for a local Ford store built up. The other was in a Tudor white sedan which belonged to the pair of guys who made their living setting up the computer systems - then a radiclal idea - for dealerships. They based North of Montgomery and used to stop for gas in the Pure station where I worked.
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> Johnny you are kinda correct.The 64 Thunderbolt 427 could not be bought or registered only drag racers got him,Same with the 1968 426 Hemi Darts,plate says for off road use only.Yenkos could be drivin daily and are user friendly.One would not want to be anywhere near a Thunderbolt or a Hemi Dart thats serious Power.
> Cop Cars and a few Cougars got the 427 until mid 68 when it was discontinued
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Fri, 28 February 2014 06:12 |
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oh ok. I has learnt yet again. There wasn't a lot of room when that motor was stuffed in a full size, it was shoehorned in the Fairlane.
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Torsion bars????????????? Those things sticking out front under the bumper was for the tow bar attachment. They had spring tower suspensions with coils on top of the upper control are (this was a safety thing to keep the upper ball joint from falling out when it wore down.)
Johnny Bridges wrote on Thu, 27 February 2014 20:12
> I meant the thing started out as a Fairlane. With torsion bars in frint which stuck out. Platt still has one in Alpharetta or its environs.
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> The 'T'Bolt was not 'alleged'...Atwater Ford in Burlington, NC had one on the used car lot in 1966.
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> Johnny Bridges wrote on Thu, 27 February 2014 19:34
> > Someone interviewed Robert Platt about the Thunderbolt - an alleged Fairlane with the sideoiler stuffed in - a while back. Interesting guy. Also interesting - the two I ever saw in cars. One went in a '56 Crown Vic the parts guy for a local Ford store built up. The other was in a Tudor white sedan which belonged to the pair of guys who made their living setting up the computer systems - then a radiclal idea - for dealerships. They based North of Montgomery and used to stop for gas in the Pure station where I worked.
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> > Johnny you are kinda correct.The 64 Thunderbolt 427 could not be bought or registered only drag racers got him,Same with the 1968 426 Hemi Darts,plate says for off road use only.Yenkos could be drivin daily and are user friendly.One would not want to be anywhere near a Thunderbolt or a Hemi Dart thats serious Power.
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Fri, 28 February 2014 07:59 |
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Laughing.... One of the best thread derails ever jumping to Ford race forum. In the past it would have bothered me. But now its cool knowledge. I'm now addicted to The Mopar show Graveyard Carz. There is lots to learn about all their muscle car platforms. As a kid they were all unibody rattle boxes to me and my friends as I was into GM full frame A and B cars. But now it's all cool to me. I even like SOME Fords. Maybe all the flood of rice on the streets has given me better appreciation for Detroit.
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One thing I could never understand is that Ford 427 dominated almost the whole 60's.They won Indy,NHRA,24 hours of Lemans,Daytona......Why do you think they value engineered it into the 428/9 combos.They did not really win anything.All the 426 hemi cars were mostly second.That is when the saying first on race day came about.
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Cubic money. Remember, when they >did< lose to the Mopars, they produced the SOHC 7 liter engine. At which point France essentially said "Enough!" and went to the six liter formula. And Mopar, who really hadn't the cubic dollars to play went away. Had Ford been allowed to race the SOHC motor, you have to wonder what GM would have countered with.......
--johnny
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One thing I could never understand is that Ford 427 dominated almost the whole 60's.They won Indy,NHRA,24 hours of Lemans,Daytona......Why do you think they value engineered it into the 428/9 combos.They did not really win anything.All the 426 hemi cars were mostly second.That is when the saying first on race day came about.
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The 427 SOHC was outlawed in 1964. NASCAR didn't go to the smaller engine requirement until the mid 70's. David Pearson and the Wood Brothers ran BOSS-429's at all the super speedways and 351 Cleveland's with exhaust port plates (until NASCAR did them in)as late as 73 or 74.
Chevy put out the 396/427 canted valve engine in 1965. By 1967 with the introduction of the factory blueprinted L-88 NHRA factored the Chevy at 640 crank-shaft h-p....the 'almighty' hemi was factored at around 540 hp. Then in 1969 Chevy unshrouded the valves in the L-88 and it gained about 50 more h/p. This is the much sought after 'open-chambered' 427's (ALL ZL-1's were these). To get a Ford with 550 crankshaft h/p you had to have $$$$$$$$$ and a connection at Ford and they would have Holeman-Moody build one for you....but you were still 100-150 h/p short of a Chevy. As far a Chrysler was concerned, the 440 Max-Wedge was their very best street engine. The Hemi was too damned temperamental and god awful sensitive to valve adjustment. The BBC is, was and always shall be the KING of go fast affordable power. My 1966 Chevelle with a 1969 L-88, stock cam, heads, pistons and 4000 lbs. ran 11.8 1/4's with me driving and 11.3 with Sox at Suffolk in 1970. That works out to 547 RWHP from a single 4 barrel (850 cfm dbl/pmpr). That engine was a $1000.00 option in a Vette.
| Johnny Bridges wrote on Fri, 28 February 2014 13:07 |
Cubic money. Remember, when they >did< lose to the Mopars, they produced the SOHC 7 liter engine. At which point France essentially said "Enough!" and went to the six liter formula. And Mopar, who really hadn't the cubic dollars to play went away. Had Ford been allowed to race the SOHC motor, you have to wonder what GM would have countered with.......
--johnny
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One thing I could never understand is that Ford 427 dominated almost the whole 60's.They won Indy,NHRA,24 hours of Lemans,Daytona......Why do you think they value engineered it into the 428/9 combos.They did not really win anything.All the 426 hemi cars were mostly second.That is when the saying first on race day came about.
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The Ford that won Indy was a DOHC conversion on the SBF with the heads reversed (exhaust on top of the engine). This engine was bought by Foyt and renamed the Coyote. Hemi's mostly 2nd? NOT in Pro-Stock....see Sox & Martin, Don Carlton (Motown Missle). Followed by Bill Jenkins and his little 331 Vega followed by Gapp & Rousch and then the God in Residence of independent drag racers, Bob Glidden with the Cleveland Ford. In 1976 a Ford Cleveland of the same weight had to spot a BBC 38 cubic inches and they still won..but that was with the exhaust port plate. Without that modification the 'C' couldn't run with the BBC.
The only 427 Fords I ever saw win were factory backed and they were not in Pro-Stock...mostly A/FX (factory expermintal......which Chevy did not race in due to GM's ban on factory backed racing) The 390 Fairlane was consistently .8-1 full second slower than a 389 GTO or 396/325 SS Chevelle. Hell, the 3 most famous and best street Fords were the BOSS-302/429 and the 428 Cobra-Jet. All of those cars were the brain child of Bunky Knudsen. Former division president at one of the GM divisions who jumped ship when he failed to get the presidency of GM. Irony of ironies, his father had been fired by Henry Ford decades earlier.
First On Race Day???? Long before the 60's. I remember that one from 1956.
And don't anyone go pulling up that 1968 magazine test where a 390 Mustang ran with a 396/375 Camaro....that Mustang had what was essentially the first 428 CJ...except it was built by Bill Stroupe, blueprinted, balanced and rumored to be 460+ cid.
Back then Fords were the first ones on the trailer at the strips. They could not keep up with the 440's and BBC's. It's isn't that Ford didn't build good engines, you just couldn't get them or if you did get some factory racers cast-off you couldn't get parts. In 1973 Bud Moore and the Wood Brothers were combing junk yards for Boss 351 blocks and cranks. Remember what dale Earnhardt said when he left Bud Moore..."I've put up with Fords and I've put up Fords"
| Cadillackeeper wrote on Fri, 28 February 2014 12:08 |
One thing I could never understand is that Ford 427 dominated almost the whole 60's.They won Indy,NHRA,24 hours of Lemans,Daytona......Why do you think they value engineered it into the 428/9 combos.They did not really win anything.All the 426 hemi cars were mostly second.That is when the saying first on race day came about.
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