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Re: [GMCnet] What is the best fuel economy obtainable from a GMCMotorhome? [message #241267] Tue, 25 February 2014 05:40 Go to next message
Jim Bounds is currently offline  Jim Bounds   United States
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They are motorhomes though I mad e 1 into a flat bed truck, the otheri don't have a tag for is a striped 23 with a 350 sporting 4:10 .  gears.  My wife is smart, if she didn't limit me I would have a fleet titled and on the road!  That doesn't count the rear bath 23 that is hers...

Jim Bounds

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From: Chris Orr <c000rr@gmail.com>
Date: 02/24/2014 10:29 PM (GMT-05:00)
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GMCMotorhome?

Jim,

You have 5 GMCs? How many motorhomes?

Chris.
On 2/24/2014 7:02 PM, gmccoop wrote:
> There's more to life than MPG, ill keep my 5 GMCs.  Well Janie lets me have 3 tags, so that's 3...
>
> Jim Bounds
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Bill Dolinsky <Wildbillnick@yahoo.com>
> Date: 02/24/2014  9:16 PM  (GMT-05:00)
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
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>   GMCMotorhome?
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> When I was at WardAir we had a couple Electrihaul  push tractors, 1 90000lb and a120000 lb. big straight 6 cummins and flat 12 Detroit. I don't think it helped hull consumption over the geared transmission units of similar size. Smooth acceleration and 100% torque from start though.

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Re: [GMCnet] What is the best fuel economy obtainable from a GMCMotorhome? [message #241271 is a reply to message #241267] Tue, 25 February 2014 06:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jp Benson is currently offline  Jp Benson   United States
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Whatever happened to the hydrogen generator experiment that was on
GMCnet a couple years back?

JP

On 2/25/2014 6:40 AM, gmccoop wrote:
> They are motorhomes though I mad e 1 into a flat bed truck, the otheri don't have a tag for is a striped 23 with a 350 sporting 4:10 . gears. My wife is smart, if she didn't limit me I would have a fleet titled and on the road! That doesn't count the rear bath 23 that is hers...
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> Jim Bounds
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Re: [GMCnet] What is the best fuel economy obtainable from a GMCMotorhome? [message #241275 is a reply to message #241267] Tue, 25 February 2014 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Jim,

Chris is a newbie looking for a motorhome; I suspect he may not know that you are:

http://www.gmccoop.com

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Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
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From: gmccoop

They are motorhomes though I mad e 1 into a flat bed truck, the otheri don't have a tag for is a striped 23 with a 350 sporting 4:10
gears.  My wife is smart, if she didn't limit me I would have a fleet titled and on the road!  That doesn't count the rear bath 23
that is hers...

Jim Bounds

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Re: [GMCnet] What is the best fuel economy obtainable from aGMCMotorhome? [message #241276 is a reply to message #241271] Tue, 25 February 2014 07:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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JP,

Evidently you missed all the excitement, hoorays; and ballyhoo? So did I!

Actually the experiment joined the ranks of the guy that was able to make a gasoline engine run on water, the guy that invented a
carburetor that produced 100 mph, the car that runs on compressed air, and so on.

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
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Whatever happened to the hydrogen generator experiment that was on GMCnet a couple years back?

JP

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Re: [GMCnet] What is the best fuel economy obtainable from a GMCMotorhome? [message #241277 is a reply to message #241271] Tue, 25 February 2014 07:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Paul,
 
It's just so hard to get a viable comparison.  I took the system I bought out of the coach it was in, could not get a good test.  That with the fact that you have to twwek the system for best results even getting a good baseline is difficult.  Basically it seems like it's such a hassle that it reallt does not fit into our lifestyle and no matter how good it is if the systems frustrates you why would you subject yourself to such a high school experiment.
 
Anyway, that's what it feels like from this side.
 
Jim Bounds
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On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:39 AM, Jp Benson <chocomo99@yahoo.com> wrote:

Whatever happened to the hydrogen generator experiment that was on
GMCnet a couple years back?

JP


On 2/25/2014 6:40 AM, gmccoop wrote:
> They are motorhomes though I mad e 1 into a flat bed truck, the otheri don't have a tag for is a striped 23 with a 350 sporting 4:10 .  gears.  My wife is smart, if she didn't limit me I would have a fleet titled and on the road!  That doesn't count the rear bath 23 that is hers...
>
> Jim Bounds
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Re: [GMCnet] What is the best fuel economy obtainable from aGMCMotorhome? [message #241280 is a reply to message #241276] Tue, 25 February 2014 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rob,

So it must have been bought out by big oil companies who will stop at
nothing to protect their monopoly.

Orlando FL has switched many of their garbage trucks to hydraulic
hybrids which recharge the accumulators during braking. Not so useful
for RV's but ideal for garbage trucks. They're supposed to get
financial payback on the brake jobs alone but also save gas. They are a
bit noisier but don't leave diesel exhaust fumes that hang in the air
long after the truck is gone.

JP

On 2/25/2014 8:05 AM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> JP,
>
> Evidently you missed all the excitement, hoorays; and ballyhoo? So did I!
>
> Actually the experiment joined the ranks of the guy that was able to make a gasoline engine run on water, the guy that invented a
> carburetor that produced 100 mph, the car that runs on compressed air, and so on.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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> Whatever happened to the hydrogen generator experiment that was on GMCnet a couple years back?
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> JP
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Re: [GMCnet] What is the best fuel economy obtainable fromaGMCMotorhome? [message #241281 is a reply to message #241280] Tue, 25 February 2014 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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JP,

You got it!

Thanks for the info on the garbage trucks, I've never heard of a hydraulic hybrid, I'll do some Googling and see what I can learn.

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
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Rob,

So it must have been bought out by big oil companies who will stop at
nothing to protect their monopoly.

Orlando FL has switched many of their garbage trucks to hydraulic
hybrids which recharge the accumulators during braking. Not so useful
for RV's but ideal for garbage trucks. They're supposed to get
financial payback on the brake jobs alone but also save gas. They are a
bit noisier but don't leave diesel exhaust fumes that hang in the air
long after the truck is gone.

JP


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Re: [GMCnet] What is the best fuel economy obtainable from a GMCMotorhome? [message #241288 is a reply to message #241267] Tue, 25 February 2014 08:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We have done Electric Hybrids in the past, and it is beginning to appear that Hydraulic Hybrids are where the trash industry is moving.

Parker has a system, but I am sure it is pretty pricey.


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Re: [GMCnet] What is the best fuel economy obtainable from a GMCMotorhome? [message #241312 is a reply to message #241288] Tue, 25 February 2014 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The early Volts were only released in the east and west megapoli. Their thoughts being that demand would be highest there and the economy demonstration would also be best as drivers there spend less time driving and more time waiting. A fellow I know wanted one so badly that he bought one through an east coast dealer and drove it back to Michigan. He got 36MPG on the highway dur his return. This was no surprise to me as the only two Prius I know don't do any better than Mary's 2001 Civic and not as well as my 1979 Rabbit diesel did when I had it.

What can a GMC do?
I keep careful records and twice we have hit around 12. Several times in the 10's. But this requires, the correct terrain, the right temperatures, low speed roads and non-alcohol laced fuel.

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Re: [GMCnet] What is the best fuel economy obtainable from aGMCMotorhome? [message #241317 is a reply to message #241280] Tue, 25 February 2014 11:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jp Benson wrote on Tue, 25 February 2014 08:36

Rob,

So it must have been bought out by big oil companies who will stop at nothing to protect their monopoly.

Orlando FL has switched many of their garbage trucks to hydraulic hybrids which recharge the accumulators during braking. Not so useful for RV's but ideal for garbage trucks. They're supposed to get financial payback on the brake jobs alone but also save gas. They are a bit noisier but don't leave diesel exhaust fumes that hang in the air long after the truck is gone.

JP

JP,

Those stories of 100MPG carburetors have been all over for years. At the contract test lab I used to run, we had three of them come in. None of them actually worked. Two of them game some results in passcar service at the expense of performance to a greater or lessor extent. One is memorable as the performance suffered so that after one road test, I forbade it be driven on public streets without escort and all the future road evaluations were done on close roads or tracks.

If the people that tried to develop these things understood thermodynamics, they could waste a lot less time.

You do know that there are vehicles sold in other parts of the world that do far better fuel rate than anything sold in the US and Canada - Right? Do you also know that one of those had the distinction of being the only one (1) {uno} star crash test that IIHS ever did.

About Hydraulic Hybrids....
Locally two engineering firms were developing them in conjunction with hydraulic manufactures and parcel delivery customers. They do work and are cost effective in the final analysis. They do cost some payload, but that really is not an issue for this service.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] What is the best fuel economy obtainable from aGMCMotorhome? [message #241323 is a reply to message #241317] Tue, 25 February 2014 12:16 Go to previous message
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yes Hydraulic Hybrids are awesome for garbage trucks that start and stop every 100 feet and already have a Hydraulic system on board, and have tons of free space underneath for all the equimpent.

I can't imaging a better use for one.

a motorhome? No way...


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