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| Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241132] |
Mon, 24 February 2014 13:26  |
sgltrac86
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Recent posts about pressure related issues and the Quadra Bag rear suspension system has prompted me to restate qualities of the Sullybilt rear suspension system which are core to the reasons for its development and success.
There is no need to change, adjust or replace ANY part of the existing air supply or metering hardware on a properly functioning coach system to utelize the Sullybilt sytem. The ONLY part which needs to be touched is the airspring itself.
If you have at least one oem airspring which will hold air then you already have a free spare to carry in the unlikely event you have an airspring failure. If a tire were to come apart and damage the airspring, the existing leftover oem bag can be reinstalled at the same time as the spare wheel and you are on your way. The complete Sullybilt sytem is removed as an assembly and the oem airspring put back in its place. No plumbing or ride height mechanical changes are required as the ride height is read by the oem sytem off of bogie arm movement not air pressure.
Installation of the Sullybilt system requires properly supporting the rear of the coach under or near the bogie box, depressurizing and removing the existing oem airspring and replacing it with the Sullybilt assembly. Often the most challenging part of the installation is removal of rusted T skirt fasteners (if coach is equipped with such) or frozen oem airspring fasteners.
The Sullybilt single airspring system operates at a much lower air pressure ( typically 35-60psi are the norm as compared to the oem sytems which see typical pressures over 100psi) which takes a lot of load off of existing compressor sytems which are "past their half life by now".
The Firestone W01-358-9294 which is used with the Sullybilt sytem has a HIGHER load rating than the oem airspring and thus likely a higher load rating than the currently produced copy of the oem airspring. The FI 9294 airspring also has an integrated internal rubber bump stop which can prevent undercarriage and wheel well damage in the event the motorhome is moved while an airbag is deflated or a sudden loss of pressure is experienced (catastrophic airspring failure) while underway.
Simplicity/oem like performance/ease of installation/dependability/low cost compared to other available systems.
Find out more at www.bdub.net/sully/
Sully
77 Eleganza 2 ( Recherché )
Seattle, wa
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241144 is a reply to message #241132] |
Mon, 24 February 2014 15:03  |
mickeysss
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I wish i would have put on the sully bags, i was told to buy these small bags but was not told that if they get low and you hit a bump
the filling tube inside pokes a hole in them and they are worthless. I wanted a double bag system from Jim B but Miguel talked me
into these small bags that he stated he and Jim K invented. I had to wait a week for them to be shipped. I wanted the best bag i could
get and i was not told these would poke a hole if they get low in air. I paid 1100 dollars for them and install. I was told one of my bags
blew up but he did not save the bag to show me. Which is weird. He wanted me to bank transfer $ to him in san diego to pay for his
sons new baby., I did this. I had and paid for the new shrader valves & turn on and offs sent to his shop from Nick at Jim K, he did
not use them and put some kind of steel pipe design on it and kept the good ones. I ask nick about another bag and he is out of them.
THey had one but not two and he could not find another one any where so i found one from a truck stop for $220 each.
I wish i had gotten either the quad bag or sully in the first place. I now feel i was taken for a ride and will get the sully bags now to
replace all this stuff i have on now. I feel i should have been told if they get low they will puncture and the blown bag should have
been saved to prove it blew. the po stated they were 2 years old. I wish i could go back but i cannot. My feelings were hurt from all
this. I was so new at this i trusted MGM and i feel i was wrong. I spent over 4000 dollars there and was only given a receipt for less
than half of the work for some reason. SO I AM GOING FOR THE SULLY BAG and if you are new here SULLY and the Jim B quad
bag seem to be best from my view now. The bags i was given were the best bag to sell someone to make the most money for them
not the best or the GMC. Buyer beware, Mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach
Where is the best place to order the sully bags?
On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
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>
> Recent posts about pressure related issues and the Quadra Bag rear suspension system has prompted me to restate qualities of the Sullybilt rear suspension system which are core to the reasons for its development and success.
>
> There is no need to change, adjust or replace ANY part of the existing air supply or metering hardware on a properly functioning coach system to utelize the Sullybilt sytem. The ONLY part which needs to be touched is the airspring itself.
> If you have at least one oem airspring which will hold air then you already have a free spare to carry in the unlikely event you have an airspring failure. If a tire were to come apart and damage the airspring, the existing leftover oem bag can be reinstalled at the same time as the spare wheel and you are on your way. The complete Sullybilt sytem is removed as an assembly and the oem airspring put back in its place. No plumbing or ride height mechanical changes are required as the ride height is read by the oem sytem off of bogie arm movement not air pressure.
>
> Installation of the Sullybilt system requires properly supporting the rear of the coach under or near the bogie box, depressurizing and removing the existing oem airspring and replacing it with the Sullybilt assembly. Often the most challenging part of the installation is removal of rusted T skirt fasteners (if coach is equipped with such) or frozen oem airspring fasteners.
>
> The Sullybilt single airspring system operates at a much lower air pressure ( typically 35-60psi are the norm as compared to the oem sytems which see typical pressures over 100psi) which takes a lot of load off of existing compressor sytems which are "past their half life by now".
>
> The Firestone W01-358-9294 which is used with the Sullybilt sytem has a HIGHER load rating than the oem airspring and thus likely a higher load rating than the currently produced copy of the oem airspring. The FI 9294 airspring also has an integrated internal rubber bump stop which can prevent undercarriage and wheel well damage in the event the motorhome is moved while an airbag is deflated or a sudden loss of pressure is experienced (catastrophic airspring failure) while underway.
>
> Simplicity/oem like performance/ease of installation/dependability/low cost compared to other available systems.
>
> Find out more at www.bdub.net/sully/
>
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> 77 Royale
> Seattle, wa
> Future land speed record holder fully equipped motorhome (bucket list)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241149 is a reply to message #241144] |
Mon, 24 February 2014 15:29 |
emerystora
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Mickey
This is probably the third time in a year or so that you have bitched about your service from Miguel. If you are having such problems why do you go back?
Or, are you just rehashing things that happened more than a year ago?
Emery Stora
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Mickey Space Ship Shuttle <mickeysss@me.com> wrote:
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> I wish i would have put on the sully bags, i was told to buy these small bags but was not told that if they get low and you hit a bump
>
> the filling tube inside pokes a hole in them and they are worthless. I wanted a double bag system from Jim B but Miguel talked me
>
> into these small bags that he stated he and Jim K invented. I had to wait a week for them to be shipped. I wanted the best bag i could
>
> get and i was not told these would poke a hole if they get low in air. I paid 1100 dollars for them and install. I was told one of my bags
>
> blew up but he did not save the bag to show me. Which is weird. He wanted me to bank transfer $ to him in san diego to pay for his
>
> sons new baby., I did this. I had and paid for the new shrader valves & turn on and offs sent to his shop from Nick at Jim K, he did
>
> not use them and put some kind of steel pipe design on it and kept the good ones. I ask nick about another bag and he is out of them.
>
> THey had one but not two and he could not find another one any where so i found one from a truck stop for $220 each.
>
> I wish i had gotten either the quad bag or sully in the first place. I now feel i was taken for a ride and will get the sully bags now to
>
> replace all this stuff i have on now. I feel i should have been told if they get low they will puncture and the blown bag should have
>
> been saved to prove it blew. the po stated they were 2 years old. I wish i could go back but i cannot. My feelings were hurt from all
>
> this. I was so new at this i trusted MGM and i feel i was wrong. I spent over 4000 dollars there and was only given a receipt for less
>
> than half of the work for some reason. SO I AM GOING FOR THE SULLY BAG and if you are new here SULLY and the Jim B quad
>
> bag seem to be best from my view now. The bags i was given were the best bag to sell someone to make the most money for them
>
> not the best or the GMC. Buyer beware, Mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach
>
> Where is the best place to order the sully bags?
>
>
>
>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Recent posts about pressure related issues and the Quadra Bag rear suspension system has prompted me to restate qualities of the Sullybilt rear suspension system which are core to the reasons for its development and success.
>>
>> There is no need to change, adjust or replace ANY part of the existing air supply or metering hardware on a properly functioning coach system to utelize the Sullybilt sytem. The ONLY part which needs to be touched is the airspring itself.
>> If you have at least one oem airspring which will hold air then you already have a free spare to carry in the unlikely event you have an airspring failure. If a tire were to come apart and damage the airspring, the existing leftover oem bag can be reinstalled at the same time as the spare wheel and you are on your way. The complete Sullybilt sytem is removed as an assembly and the oem airspring put back in its place. No plumbing or ride height mechanical changes are required as the ride height is read by the oem sytem off of bogie arm movement not air pressure.
>>
>> Installation of the Sullybilt system requires properly supporting the rear of the coach under or near the bogie box, depressurizing and removing the existing oem airspring and replacing it with the Sullybilt assembly. Often the most challenging part of the installation is removal of rusted T skirt fasteners (if coach is equipped with such) or frozen oem airspring fasteners.
>>
>> The Sullybilt single airspring system operates at a much lower air pressure ( typically 35-60psi are the norm as compared to the oem sytems which see typical pressures over 100psi) which takes a lot of load off of existing compressor sytems which are "past their half life by now".
>>
>> The Firestone W01-358-9294 which is used with the Sullybilt sytem has a HIGHER load rating than the oem airspring and thus likely a higher load rating than the currently produced copy of the oem airspring. The FI 9294 airspring also has an integrated internal rubber bump stop which can prevent undercarriage and wheel well damage in the event the motorhome is moved while an airbag is deflated or a sudden loss of pressure is experienced (catastrophic airspring failure) while underway.
>>
>> Simplicity/oem like performance/ease of installation/dependability/low cost compared to other available systems.
>>
>> Find out more at www.bdub.net/sully/
>>
>> --
>> Sully
>> 77 Royale
>> Seattle, wa
>> Future land speed record holder fully equipped motorhome (bucket list)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241161 is a reply to message #241144] |
Mon, 24 February 2014 16:44 |
mikethebike
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If what you say is true, I believe an attorney would be your best bet. What you describe is fraud. I think that is a felony in California, is it not?
| mickeysss wrote on Mon, 24 February 2014 15:03 |
I wish i would have put on the sully bags, i was told to buy these small bags but was not told that if they get low and you hit a bump
the filling tube inside pokes a hole in them and they are worthless. I wanted a double bag system from Jim B but Miguel talked me
into these small bags that he stated he and Jim K invented. I had to wait a week for them to be shipped. I wanted the best bag i could
get and i was not told these would poke a hole if they get low in air. I paid 1100 dollars for them and install. I was told one of my bags
blew up but he did not save the bag to show me. Which is weird. He wanted me to bank transfer $ to him in san diego to pay for his
sons new baby., I did this. I had and paid for the new shrader valves & turn on and offs sent to his shop from Nick at Jim K, he did
not use them and put some kind of steel pipe design on it and kept the good ones. I ask nick about another bag and he is out of them.
THey had one but not two and he could not find another one any where so i found one from a truck stop for $220 each.
I wish i had gotten either the quad bag or sully in the first place. I now feel i was taken for a ride and will get the sully bags now to
replace all this stuff i have on now. I feel i should have been told if they get low they will puncture and the blown bag should have
been saved to prove it blew. the po stated they were 2 years old. I wish i could go back but i cannot. My feelings were hurt from all
this. I was so new at this i trusted MGM and i feel i was wrong. I spent over 4000 dollars there and was only given a receipt for less
than half of the work for some reason. SO I AM GOING FOR THE SULLY BAG and if you are new here SULLY and the Jim B quad
bag seem to be best from my view now. The bags i was given were the best bag to sell someone to make the most money for them
not the best or the GMC. Buyer beware, Mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach
Where is the best place to order the sully bags?
On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
>
>
> Recent posts about pressure related issues and the Quadra Bag rear suspension system has prompted me to restate qualities of the Sullybilt rear suspension system which are core to the reasons for its development and success.
>
> There is no need to change, adjust or replace ANY part of the existing air supply or metering hardware on a properly functioning coach system to utelize the Sullybilt sytem. The ONLY part which needs to be touched is the airspring itself.
> If you have at least one oem airspring which will hold air then you already have a free spare to carry in the unlikely event you have an airspring failure. If a tire were to come apart and damage the airspring, the existing leftover oem bag can be reinstalled at the same time as the spare wheel and you are on your way. The complete Sullybilt sytem is removed as an assembly and the oem airspring put back in its place. No plumbing or ride height mechanical changes are required as the ride height is read by the oem sytem off of bogie arm movement not air pressure.
>
> Installation of the Sullybilt system requires properly supporting the rear of the coach under or near the bogie box, depressurizing and removing the existing oem airspring and replacing it with the Sullybilt assembly. Often the most challenging part of the installation is removal of rusted T skirt fasteners (if coach is equipped with such) or frozen oem airspring fasteners.
>
> The Sullybilt single airspring system operates at a much lower air pressure ( typically 35-60psi are the norm as compared to the oem sytems which see typical pressures over 100psi) which takes a lot of load off of existing compressor sytems which are "past their half life by now".
>
> The Firestone W01-358-9294 which is used with the Sullybilt sytem has a HIGHER load rating than the oem airspring and thus likely a higher load rating than the currently produced copy of the oem airspring. The FI 9294 airspring also has an integrated internal rubber bump stop which can prevent undercarriage and wheel well damage in the event the motorhome is moved while an airbag is deflated or a sudden loss of pressure is experienced (catastrophic airspring failure) while underway.
>
> Simplicity/oem like performance/ease of installation/dependability/low cost compared to other available systems.
>
> Find out more at www.bdub.net/sully/
>
> --
> Sully
> 77 Royale
> Seattle, wa
> Future land speed record holder fully equipped motorhome (bucket list)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241179 is a reply to message #241161] |
Mon, 24 February 2014 17:33 |
Kingsley Coach
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Mickey
If you have something to say, you should say it to legal counsel.
If you are just slandering Miguel, you can expect to hear from his lawyer.
Either way you are about to embark on an expensive journey !
Good luck.
Mike in NS
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:44 PM, mike foster <mafoster1@bellsouth.net>wrote:
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>
> If what you say is true, I believe an attorney would be your best bet.
> What you describe is fraud. I think that is a felony in California, is it
> not?
>
> mickeysss wrote on Mon, 24 February 2014 15:03
> > I wish i would have put on the sully bags, i was told to buy these small
> bags but was not told that if they get low and you hit a bump
> >
> > the filling tube inside pokes a hole in them and they are worthless. I
> wanted a double bag system from Jim B but Miguel talked me
> >
> > into these small bags that he stated he and Jim K invented. I had to
> wait a week for them to be shipped. I wanted the best bag i could
> >
> > get and i was not told these would poke a hole if they get low in air. I
> paid 1100 dollars for them and install. I was told one of my bags
> >
> > blew up but he did not save the bag to show me. Which is weird. He
> wanted me to bank transfer $ to him in san diego to pay for his
> >
> > sons new baby., I did this. I had and paid for the new shrader valves &
> turn on and offs sent to his shop from Nick at Jim K, he did
> >
> > not use them and put some kind of steel pipe design on it and kept the
> good ones. I ask nick about another bag and he is out of them.
> >
> > THey had one but not two and he could not find another one any where so
> i found one from a truck stop for $220 each.
> >
> > I wish i had gotten either the quad bag or sully in the first place. I
> now feel i was taken for a ride and will get the sully bags now to
> >
> > replace all this stuff i have on now. I feel i should have been told if
> they get low they will puncture and the blown bag should have
> >
> > been saved to prove it blew. the po stated they were 2 years old. I
> wish i could go back but i cannot. My feelings were hurt from all
> >
> > this. I was so new at this i trusted MGM and i feel i was wrong. I spent
> over 4000 dollars there and was only given a receipt for less
> >
> > than half of the work for some reason. SO I AM GOING FOR THE SULLY BAG
> and if you are new here SULLY and the Jim B quad
> >
> > bag seem to be best from my view now. The bags i was given were the best
> bag to sell someone to make the most money for them
> >
> > not the best or the GMC. Buyer beware, Mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach
> >
> > Where is the best place to order the sully bags?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Recent posts about pressure related issues and the Quadra Bag rear
> suspension system has prompted me to restate qualities of the Sullybilt
> rear suspension system which are core to the reasons for its development
> and success.
> > >
> > > There is no need to change, adjust or replace ANY part of the existing
> air supply or metering hardware on a properly functioning coach system to
> utelize the Sullybilt sytem. The ONLY part which needs to be touched is the
> airspring itself.
> > > If you have at least one oem airspring which will hold air then you
> already have a free spare to carry in the unlikely event you have an
> airspring failure. If a tire were to come apart and damage the airspring,
> the existing leftover oem bag can be reinstalled at the same time as the
> spare wheel and you are on your way. The complete Sullybilt sytem is
> removed as an assembly and the oem airspring put back in its place. No
> plumbing or ride height mechanical changes are required as the ride height
> is read by the oem sytem off of bogie arm movement not air pressure.
> > >
> > > Installation of the Sullybilt system requires properly supporting the
> rear of the coach under or near the bogie box, depressurizing and removing
> the existing oem airspring and replacing it with the Sullybilt assembly.
> Often the most challenging part of the installation is removal of rusted T
> skirt fasteners (if coach is equipped with such) or frozen oem airspring
> fasteners.
> > >
> > > The Sullybilt single airspring system operates at a much lower air
> pressure ( typically 35-60psi are the norm as compared to the oem sytems
> which see typical pressures over 100psi) which takes a lot of load off of
> existing compressor sytems which are "past their half life by now".
> > >
> > > The Firestone W01-358-9294 which is used with the Sullybilt sytem has
> a HIGHER load rating than the oem airspring and thus likely a higher load
> rating than the currently produced copy of the oem airspring. The FI 9294
> airspring also has an integrated internal rubber bump stop which can
> prevent undercarriage and wheel well damage in the event the motorhome is
> moved while an airbag is deflated or a sudden loss of pressure is
> experienced (catastrophic airspring failure) while underway.
> > >
> > > Simplicity/oem like performance/ease of installation/dependability/low
> cost compared to other available systems.
> > >
> > > Find out more at www.bdub.net/sully/
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sully
> > > 77 Royale
> > > Seattle, wa
> > > Future land speed record holder fully equipped motorhome (bucket list)
> > > _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241247 is a reply to message #241179] |
Mon, 24 February 2014 22:49 |
mickeysss
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On Feb 24, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Kingsley Coach wrote:
> Mickey
>
> If you have something to say, you should say it to legal counsel.
> If you are just slandering Miguel, you can expect to hear from his lawyer.
>
> Either way you are about to embark on an expensive journey !
> Good luck.
>
> Mike in NS
>
Mike
Thank you very much for your point of view. My brother is a lawyer and i am not trying to slander anyone.
Slander means it is not the truth. If it is the truth - it is not slander and easy to prove. I got no receipts.
I am saying that the Sully bag is better than the one i was sold for the same price
that if - when the sully bag gets low it will not poke a hole in the bag. This is very important information for bag buyers to know.
If you can say who builds the better engine rebuild you can say who helps with the best air bags. Anyone can make
their own judgement after others state what happened to them. If i had receipts that would prove what was done
but i was not given any receipts which he stated on this net he would send me. God bless MGM i hope they do better
to others. Protecting other newbies like me to make judgements from others experience is part of the reason for information
exchange. I was sold a bag that i hope no one else has the same problem. i wish someone would have the guts to say it
before i lost a grand investment on these bags that poke holes in them if they get half low in pressure. The sully bag does not
do this. That is very valuable information to share. I have not made any false statements so your point of view is i lied about
something. I do not like saying the truth about this, but it may stop this and help change this sort of action in the future
for more newbies that need help. If no one says anything then it will never stop. I would rather stop saying anything else until
the subject like the bags above produce a reason to tell my honest story. Just because someone is friends with the Jim's and goes to rallies that is no reason not to tell the truth because they have political clout. If the work is weird, it should not be kept secret just
because the people on the top of the mountain or looking down to protect them.
That is one of the reasons one thinks they can get away with anything they want.
I hope all goes well with MGM for someone focused everyones attention to make it so.
I am from west frankfort illinois, coal miners like my family do not take any shit!
slander |ˈslandər|
noun Law
the action or crime of making a false spoken statement
Please lets forget for now, so that i do not get in trouble for telling the truth.
Mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach
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| Re: Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241248 is a reply to message #241132] |
Mon, 24 February 2014 23:15 |
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If I bought a system that when, not if the bag goes low it pokes a hole I would be pissed too. And $200+ bags? I had issues with an engine builder in the states, just buying parts. $1200 sent and emails, phone calls, excuses, couldn't find cardboard boxes big enough, months, lot of money for me. Sounds like he's just porting heads now. Got some parts, not what he promised. Forum bitched at me during the process but unspoken realization after, I wasn't the only one.
I'm building a Sully type system, same bags. Just trying to figure if I can incorporate pins to keep the bags un canted, probably overkill. Bags ordered and material cut.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241250 is a reply to message #241248] |
Mon, 24 February 2014 23:28 |
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Todd Sullivan
Sully
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> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:15 PM, Bill Dolinsky <Wildbillnick@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> If I bought a system that when, not if the bag goes low it pokes a hole I would be pissed too. And $200+ bags? I had issues with an engine builder in the states, just buying parts. $1200 sent and emails, phone calls, excuses, couldn't find cardboard boxes big enough, months, lot of money for me. Sounds like he's just porting heads now. Got some parts, not what he promised. Forum bitched at me during the process but unspoken realization after, I wasn't the only one.
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> I'm building a sulley type system, same bags. Just trying to figure if I can incorporate pins to keep the bags un canted, probably overkill. Bags ordered and material cut.
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> 1977 Kingsley TZE167V102169
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| Re: Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241253 is a reply to message #241248] |
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If I bought a system that when, not if the bag goes low it pokes a hole I would be pissed too. And $200+ bags? I had issues with an engine builder in the states, just buying parts. $1200 sent and emails, phone calls, excuses, couldn't find cardboard boxes big enough, months, lot of money for me. Sounds like he's just porting heads now. Got some parts, not what he promised. Forum bitched at me during the process but unspoken realization after, I wasn't the only one.
I'm building a Sully type system, same bags. Just trying to figure if I can incorporate pins to keep the bags un canted, probably overkill. Bags ordered and material cut.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241302 is a reply to message #241250] |
Tue, 25 February 2014 09:12 |
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Why build an inferior system when you can buy a superior one? I have no idea why something poked a hole in the bag, I will tewll you there is nothing that would do that on the quad bag system if it is installed properly and the installation is pretty straight forward.
I don't have time to read all of these threads but as I hear it, someone bought a coach that had a 2 year old quad bag system on it from Jim K.. So the next owner comes up with a hole poked in a bag and he's wanting Jim KI., wo replace the bag and warrant the system complete. And since Jim K. would not do this his decision to attempt to flame Jim K. out has begun.
Listen, a lifetime warranty on stuff like this means if you break it Jim will have to kill you. Is that the service you want? How long is a dealer with parts with a year warranty need to be stuck onto a pike?
I wasn't there, I do my best to help any customer but if you came into my shop with somethingI installed 2 years ago--- that worked for 2 years with no problems and you feel I am still on the hook for giving you parts and labor--- mister, unless there are some pretty big issues I would not do it either! And personally, I would flame you if you came on line here and did what you did. I am not defending JIm K., I am though defending reasonable consideration for supporting the community.
Lemme give you a hint on the politics of this--- if you call me ragging badly on Jim K. for whatever, do you think I want to get involved with someone who seems to be having a squabble with a dealer on his services? I have now 8 projects, you cannot get in my gate-- I could close the gate and work on for a year. I do not need your hassles!
Jim Bounds
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On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:29 AM, Todd Sullivan <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
Sully
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:15 PM, Bill Dolinsky <Wildbillnick@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> If I bought a system that when, not if the bag goes low it pokes a hole I would be pissed too. And $200+ bags? I had issues with an engine builder in the states, just buying parts. $1200 sent and emails, phone calls, excuses, couldn't find cardboard boxes big enough, months, lot of money for me. Sounds like he's just porting heads now. Got some parts, not what he promised. Forum bitched at me during the process but unspoken realization after, I wasn't the only one.
>
> I'm building a sulley type system, same bags. Just trying to figure if I can incorporate pins to keep the bags un canted, probably overkill. Bags ordered and material cut.
> --
> Bill Dolinsky
> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
> 1977 Kingsley TZE167V102169
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241341 is a reply to message #241302] |
Tue, 25 February 2014 14:01 |
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I've been dealing with low volume manufacturers for years, including getting repairs/replacements for stuff after the stated warranty. I ran one design flawed piece of equipment (it was a good idea, but political constraints ruined the iteration) for three years in the 80s. We're talking $92 Large of 1983 dollars. Now, the name of the game is basically to catch flies. You can lure the flies with sugar, or you can lure the flies with vinegar, but you will catch them with sugar. Those of us who bought the equipment got together, pointed out the flaws, and asked for redress. Politely. One maverick refused to join in, and continued screaming at the maker. Of six machine built, five were replaced with the previous model free out of warranty with apologies by the maker who ate shipping and install in the bargain nearly four years after they left his factory. As far as I know, the mouth is still looking at his'n. It is suitable for
anchoring a BIG boat, nothing else. The manufacturer removed a couple of vendor power supplies, and sold the machines out the back door for I believe 8 cents a pound scrap. And I still buy their products.
As to screaming 'lawyer, lawyer' my ol' Daddy the lawyer taught me well. "Son, never threaten. Take action as necessary. Then in the future you don't have to threaten, people know you mean business'. I'll ask you politely once or twice. Next up is The Letter hitting your desk, and once it hits, we are going to court.
Of course, your mileage may vary.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
Braselton GA
________________________________
From: Jim Bounds gmccoop@yahoo.com
Listen, a lifetime warranty on stuff like this means if you break it Jim will have to kill you. Is that the service you want? How long is a dealer with parts with a year warranty need to be stuck onto a pike?
I wasn't there, I do my best to help any customer but if you came into my shop with somethingI installed 2 years ago--- that worked for 2 years with no problems and you feel I am still on the hook for giving you parts and labor--- mister, unless there are some pretty big issues I would not do it either! And personally, I would flame you if you came on line here and did what you did. I am not defending JIm K., I am though defending reasonable consideration for supporting the community.
Lemme give you a hint on the politics of this--- if you call me ragging badly on Jim K. for whatever, do you think I want to get involved with someone who seems to be having a squabble with a dealer on his services? I have now 8 projects, you cannot get in my gate-- I could close the gate and work on for a year. I do not need your hassles!
Jim Bounds
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> If I bought a system that when, not if the bag goes low it pokes a hole I would be pissed too. And $200+ bags? I had issues with an engine builder in the states, just buying parts. $1200 sent and emails, phone calls, excuses, couldn't find cardboard boxes big enough, months, lot of money for me. Sounds like he's just porting heads now. Got some parts, not what he promised. Forum bitched at me during the process but unspoken realization after, I wasn't the only one.
>
> I'm building a sulley type system, same bags. Just trying to figure if I can incorporate pins to keep the bags un canted, probably overkill. Bags ordered and material cut.
> --
> Bill Dolinsky
> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241343 is a reply to message #241341] |
Tue, 25 February 2014 14:18 |
Jim Bounds
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If you are talking about the Sully system poking a hole in the deflated position, why beat up Jim K., he's selling most anything you guys want. This is why I told him to drop it. Let it all roll back on the manufacturer. Jim K. produced a "dual bag" system that was flawed. He did take them back for credit to a quad bag system. See, we tried to make something a "2 step" purchase. In the end just close your eyes and write the check, you will be much better off just doing it. That's the progression of the quad bag-- I will not install and get in the liability loop of all these other rigs. I know the quad bag system works, I trust the guy who tested it.
The original 4 bag system has engineering defeciencies, should Leigh Harrison uphold the warranty? The vertical steel member bends! I have one on a coach of mine, he would not do anything so I certainly stopped supporting him. If I continue I will be part of the problem-- that's why I told Jim K. to get out of that rig job.
I do not manufacture, I helped design the install procedure and the unit for install. I buy them from Jim same as you. Give him the credit and profit, I just support his efforts. To much for me.
Producing a product for sale personally is a seriously iffy thing to do-- no liability protection. I cannot do that. Same on all this stuff including disc brakes. It's a DOT approved safety dvice-- and you wanna install that and risk your family? What can I say, it's a litigious world...
Jim Bounds
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On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:01 PM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
I've been dealing with low volume manufacturers for years, including getting repairs/replacements for stuff after the stated warranty. I ran one design flawed piece of equipment (it was a good idea, but political constraints ruined the iteration) for three years in the 80s. We're talking $92 Large of 1983 dollars. Now, the name of the game is basically to catch flies. You can lure the flies with sugar, or you can lure the flies with vinegar, but you will catch them with sugar. Those of us who bought the equipment got together, pointed out the flaws, and asked for redress. Politely. One maverick refused to join in, and continued screaming at the maker. Of six machine built, five were replaced with the previous model free out of warranty with apologies by the maker who ate shipping and install in the bargain nearly four years after they left his factory. As far as I know, the mouth is still looking at his'n. It is suitable for
anchoring a BIG boat, nothing else. The manufacturer removed a couple of vendor power supplies, and sold the machines out the back door for I believe 8 cents a pound scrap. And I still buy their products.
As to screaming 'lawyer, lawyer' my ol' Daddy the lawyer taught me well. "Son, never threaten. Take action as necessary. Then in the future you don't have to threaten, people know you mean business'. I'll ask you politely once or twice. Next up is The Letter hitting your desk, and once it hits, we are going to court.
Of course, your mileage may vary.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
Braselton GA
________________________________
From: Jim Bounds gmccoop@yahoo.com
Listen, a lifetime warranty on stuff like this means if you break it Jim will have to kill you. Is that the service you want? How long is a dealer with parts with a year warranty need to be stuck onto a pike?
I wasn't there, I do my best to help any customer but if you came into my shop with somethingI installed 2 years ago--- that worked for 2 years with no problems and you feel I am still on the hook for giving you parts and labor--- mister, unless there are some pretty big issues I would not do it either! And personally, I would flame you if you came on line here and did what you did. I am not defending JIm K., I am though defending reasonable consideration for supporting the community.
Lemme give you a hint on the politics of this--- if you call me ragging badly on Jim K. for whatever, do you think I want to get involved with someone who seems to be having a squabble with a dealer on his services? I have now 8 projects, you cannot get in my gate-- I could close the gate and work on for a year. I do not need your hassles!
Jim Bounds
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> If I bought a system that when, not if the bag goes low it pokes a hole I would be pissed too. And $200+ bags? I had issues with an engine builder in the states, just buying parts. $1200 sent and emails, phone calls, excuses, couldn't find cardboard boxes big enough, months, lot of money for me. Sounds like he's just porting heads now. Got some parts, not what he promised. Forum bitched at me during the process but unspoken realization after, I wasn't the only one.
>
> I'm building a sulley type system, same bags. Just trying to figure if I can incorporate pins to keep the bags un canted, probably overkill. Bags ordered and material cut.
> --
> Bill Dolinsky
> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241345 is a reply to message #241343] |
Tue, 25 February 2014 14:22 |
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Perhaps you should read and understand posts before you reply to them Jim. The issue Mickey had was NOT A SULLYBILT SYSTEM. Gather your facts before you sew feces
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:18 PM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> If you are talking about the Sully system poking a hole in the deflated position, why beat up Jim K., he's selling most anything you guys want. This is why I told him to drop it. Let it all roll back on the manufacturer. Jim K. produced a "dual bag" system that was flawed. He did take them back for credit to a quad bag system. See, we tried to make something a "2 step" purchase. In the end just close your eyes and write the check, you will be much better off just doing it. That's the progression of the quad bag-- I will not install and get in the liability loop of all these other rigs. I know the quad bag system works, I trust the guy who tested it.
>
> The original 4 bag system has engineering defeciencies, should Leigh Harrison uphold the warranty? The vertical steel member bends! I have one on a coach of mine, he would not do anything so I certainly stopped supporting him. If I continue I will be part of the problem-- that's why I told Jim K. to get out of that rig job.
>
> I do not manufacture, I helped design the install procedure and the unit for install. I buy them from Jim same as you. Give him the credit and profit, I just support his efforts. To much for me.
>
> Producing a product for sale personally is a seriously iffy thing to do-- no liability protection. I cannot do that. Same on all this stuff including disc brakes. It's a DOT approved safety dvice-- and you wanna install that and risk your family? What can I say, it's a litigious world...
>
> Jim Bounds
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> Jim Bounds
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> On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:01 PM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
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> I've been dealing with low volume manufacturers for years, including getting repairs/replacements for stuff after the stated warranty. I ran one design flawed piece of equipment (it was a good idea, but political constraints ruined the iteration) for three years in the 80s. We're talking $92 Large of 1983 dollars. Now, the name of the game is basically to catch flies. You can lure the flies with sugar, or you can lure the flies with vinegar, but you will catch them with sugar. Those of us who bought the equipment got together, pointed out the flaws, and asked for redress. Politely. One maverick refused to join in, and continued screaming at the maker. Of six machine built, five were replaced with the previous model free out of warranty with apologies by the maker who ate shipping and install in the bargain nearly four years after they left his factory. As far as I know, the mouth is still looking at his'n. It is suitable for
> anchoring a BIG boat, nothing else. The manufacturer removed a couple of vendor power supplies, and sold the machines out the back door for I believe 8 cents a pound scrap. And I still buy their products.
>
> As to screaming 'lawyer, lawyer' my ol' Daddy the lawyer taught me well. "Son, never threaten. Take action as necessary. Then in the future you don't have to threaten, people know you mean business'. I'll ask you politely once or twice. Next up is The Letter hitting your desk, and once it hits, we are going to court.
>
> Of course, your mileage may vary.
>
> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> Braselton GA
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> From: Jim Bounds gmccoop@yahoo.com
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> Listen, a lifetime warranty on stuff like this means if you break it Jim will have to kill you. Is that the service you want? How long is a dealer with parts with a year warranty need to be stuck onto a pike?
>
> I wasn't there, I do my best to help any customer but if you came into my shop with somethingI installed 2 years ago--- that worked for 2 years with no problems and you feel I am still on the hook for giving you parts and labor--- mister, unless there are some pretty big issues I would not do it either! And personally, I would flame you if you came on line here and did what you did. I am not defending JIm K., I am though defending reasonable consideration for supporting the community.
>
> Lemme give you a hint on the politics of this--- if you call me ragging badly on Jim K. for whatever, do you think I want to get involved with someone who seems to be having a squabble with a dealer on his services? I have now 8 projects, you cannot get in my gate-- I could close the gate and work on for a year. I do not need your hassles!
>
> Jim Bounds
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>> If I bought a system that when, not if the bag goes low it pokes a hole I would be pissed too. And $200+ bags? I had issues with an engine builder in the states, just buying parts. $1200 sent and emails, phone calls, excuses, couldn't find cardboard boxes big enough, months, lot of money for me. Sounds like he's just porting heads now. Got some parts, not what he promised. Forum bitched at me during the process but unspoken realization after, I wasn't the only one.
>>
>> I'm building a sulley type system, same bags. Just trying to figure if I can incorporate pins to keep the bags un canted, probably overkill. Bags ordered and material cut.
>> --
>> Bill Dolinsky
>> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241388 is a reply to message #241343] |
Tue, 25 February 2014 18:49 |
jhbridges
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Uh, 'scuse me there, boy, I'm not talking about any particular object or person. I merely point out, with example, that it is in point of fact easy to get satisfaction out of a manufacturer, if you do so in a positive manner; and further point out that threats seldom are worth the air that generates them. How you jump therefrom to the (erroneous) conclusion that I'm pro or anti any particular product or service in the paragraphs below totally escapes me. RFC (read for comprehension)
For the record, the rear suspension on my coach is nearly box stock, the compressor having been replaced by a Firestone unit by the PO. Everything else back there is as it was when GM built it. 13,000 of them worked happily for years on this system. As long as I can get pieces I see no reason why it won't continue to do so. As long as it does, I will leave it be.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
braselton, ga
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To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension
If you are talking about the Sully system poking a hole in the deflated position, why beat up Jim K., he's selling most anything you guys want. This is why I told him to drop it. Let it all roll back on the manufacturer. Jim K. produced a "dual bag" system that was flawed. He did take them back for credit to a quad bag system. See, we tried to make something a "2 step" purchase. In the end just close your eyes and write the check, you will be much better off just doing it. That's the progression of the quad bag-- I will not install and get in the liability loop of all these other rigs. I know the quad bag system works, I trust the guy who tested it.
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:01 PM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
I've been dealing with low volume manufacturers for years, including getting repairs/replacements for stuff after the stated warranty. I ran one design flawed piece of equipment (it was a good idea, but political constraints ruined the iteration) for three years in the 80s. We're talking $92 Large of 1983 dollars. Now, the name of the game is basically to catch flies. You can lure the flies with sugar, or you can lure the flies with vinegar, but you will catch them with sugar. Those of us who bought the equipment got together, pointed out the flaws, and asked for redress. Politely. One maverick refused to join in, and continued screaming at the maker. Of six machine built, five were replaced with the previous model free out of warranty with apologies by the maker who ate shipping and install in the bargain nearly four years after they left his factory. As far as I know, the mouth is still looking at his'n. It is suitable for
anchoring a BIG boat, nothing else. The manufacturer removed a couple of vendor power supplies, and sold the machines out the back door for I believe 8 cents a pound scrap. And I still buy their products.
As to screaming 'lawyer, lawyer' my ol' Daddy the lawyer taught me well. "Son, never threaten. Take action as necessary. Then in the future you don't have to threaten, people know you mean business'. I'll ask you politely once or twice. Next up is The Letter hitting your desk, and once it hits, we are going to court.
Of course, your mileage may vary.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
Braselton GA
________________________________
From: Jim Bounds gmccoop@yahoo.com
Listen, a lifetime warranty on stuff like this means if you break it Jim will have to kill you. Is that the service you want? How long is a dealer with parts with a year warranty need to be stuck onto a pike?
I wasn't there, I do my best to help any customer but if you came into my shop with somethingI installed 2 years ago--- that worked for 2 years with no problems and you feel I am still on the hook for giving you parts and labor--- mister, unless there are some pretty big issues I would not do it either! And personally, I would flame you if you came on line here and did what you did. I am not defending JIm K., I am though defending reasonable consideration for supporting the community.
Lemme give you a hint on the politics of this--- if you call me ragging badly on Jim K. for whatever, do you think I want to get involved with someone who seems to be having a squabble with a dealer on his services? I have now 8 projects, you cannot get in my gate-- I could close the gate and work on for a year. I do not need your hassles!
Jim Bounds
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>
>
> If I bought a system that when, not if the bag goes low it pokes a hole I would be pissed too. And $200+ bags? I had issues with an engine builder in the states, just buying parts. $1200 sent and emails, phone calls, excuses, couldn't find cardboard boxes big enough, months, lot of money for me. Sounds like he's just porting heads now. Got some parts, not what he promised. Forum bitched at me during the process but unspoken realization after, I wasn't the only one.
>
> I'm building a sulley type system, same bags. Just trying to figure if I can incorporate pins to keep the bags un canted, probably overkill. Bags ordered and material cut.
> --
> Bill Dolinsky
> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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| Re: Sullybilt Single bag Rear Suspension [message #241401 is a reply to message #241132] |
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When I made my post ! And truthfully even now I am not clear as to who's 4 bag system he's complaining about and I don't know if this bag puncture problem is common to someones product or just his motorhome. I considered building a real 4 bag system, yeah I like fabricating and I am pretty proficient at research, design and fabrication. Yeah I try to take what I feel are the best design features of all the designs I research. I'm not stealing design ideas to manufacture and compete, I'm just trying to build the best solution within my budget level. The reason I decided to build a takeoff of the Sully/Gruininger system is budget level and my work load to try and get this thing done by summer. $320 for bags to the door ($135 each) and free steel. I'm not a hack welder or fabricator and I am confident I could build a true 4 bag system. I don't like the looks of the 4 bag system without the centre support, don't see the point. I like the looks of the reaction arm system but that might be beyond my capabilities, haven't seen clear enough pictures to assess the complexity.
I can certainly see the benefits of the 4 bag system and especially the reaction arm system, bringing the gmc back from Calgary locked up the rears on one occasion. Roads were a little icy and I was doing 65 but... I'll work on optimizing brakes as best they can be with 4 drums.
You guys might find this little tidbit I found interesting.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AsEWkMLsSGYOdGhtejZVby1fSG5qUkZRT3BsTFNwcXc&hl=en_US
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