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Thu, 13 February 2014 12:37  |
Olly Schmidt
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Hello list,
I've talked to a couple of people, some of them RVers since the
beginning of time (or so it seems), and they all ask me: Why do you want
to pay 10-15k for a 40 year old vehicle, when you can have something
that is maybe 1/4th the age for the same price, with newer more powerful
and economic engines, with newer appliances etc.
My main point for the GMC beside it being a very nice looking and imho
historic vehicle is lots of windows and nice size.
What is the argument pro GMC Motorhome to say to those people?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239855 is a reply to message #239852] |
Thu, 13 February 2014 12:49  |
Cadillackeeper
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GMC is an assett to me more than any newer SOB that depreiciates Daily and is non user serviceable or repairable.The light comes on "Service Engine Now" in the middle of Montana on a Sunday in the rain.Call and wait for a tow and pay $$$.A GMC you can almost take some duct tape and a coat hanger and always get to your destination in a GMC.I feel excactly the same about my cars.A 67 RS Camaro can be had for the same price as a late model.No real sense in buying the late model as it is obsolete and worthless and will continue to be.A 67 however can be valuable and used forever.More support like these forums and communities and vendors.Go with whats proven not "Neat,Novel and Newer" that stuff is flimsy,value engineered to fail as soon as its built.Don't do it!
77 455 Elaganza II and 67 Animal, Built 500 Powered Eldo
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239862 is a reply to message #239852] |
Thu, 13 February 2014 13:14 |
rallymaster
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1. It is a very nice looking and historic vehicle with lots of windows
and a very nice size.
Good reasons, Peer.
2. How many of the SOBs (Some Other Brands) were built well enough to
still be around after 40 years.
3. GMCs have a better support group than any other motorhome in the
world.
4. OK, guys, add-ons welcome
5...
RonC
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:37:42 +0100 Peer Oliver Schmidt
<posde@theinternet.de> writes:
> Hello list,
>
> I've talked to a couple of people, some of them RVers since the
> beginning of time (or so it seems), and they all ask me: Why do you
> want
> to pay 10-15k for a 40 year old vehicle, when you can have
> something
> that is maybe 1/4th the age for the same price, with newer more
> powerful
> and economic engines, with newer appliances etc.
>
> My main point for the GMC beside >
> What is the argument pro GMC Motorhome to say to those people?
> --
> Best regards
>
> Peer Oliver Schmidt
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Ron & Linda Clark
1978 GMC Eleganza II
North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239869 is a reply to message #239852] |
Thu, 13 February 2014 14:37 |
Olly Schmidt
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Answering a bit to myself. Studying other RVs in that range makes me
wonder, where the progress really is. Can't be fuel-efficiency, if all
the class-a RVs from the 90s and 200x years that I looked at have
mpg-values of around 10...
I guess the more in efficiency gets nullified by worse aerodynamics and
higher weights.
Just talking to myself here, but feel free to jump in.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239873 is a reply to message #239869] |
Thu, 13 February 2014 15:19 |
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Honestly? There are good reasons to both. The best answer I can provide is that the GMC is a unique vehicle. It is extremely well made, the combination of aluminum and fiberglass is more durable than what was used on more modern motor homes. The dimensions, look, and history of the GMC is unique. The community here is also a huge benefit, the easy acquisition of most parts and our supplier network is also nice compared to other orphan motor homes. The drivetrain is simple, easy to work on, and well suited toward the coach's basic purpose. As are other components such as the suspension.
However, there are also some drawbacks. The front wheel drive (traction), antiquated transmission (3 speed), lack of insulation, low amount of storage comparable to modern class A motor homes (basement storage), the general age causing wear on crucial parts including issues like frame rust. That's not pointing out that if you boondock, a stock GMC is less efficient thanks to the 2 way electric fridge and electric water heater, or if you live in a warmer climate the poor dash air is pretty much useless.
Hey, there is a tale to tell. I love my GMC, as I'm sure most of us do, and I'm very biased that it is still a viable, inexpensive, and wonderful alternative to more modern Class A motor homes. But an early to mid 90s small Class A isn't a bad choice either if you want one. It all depends what you want and how you want to use it.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239874 is a reply to message #239866] |
Thu, 13 February 2014 15:17 |
Bruce Hart
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I ran across this in the archives:
I think the type of individual who acquires an old GMC or other old
fixer-upper, with the intention of rebuilding, refurbishing, redesigning or
customizing the vehicle, does so many times because of a similar
appreciation for the talents of those old artisans. At the same time they
are able to express their own creativity and practice their skills. In many
instances, they acquire new skills and the deep satisfaction felt in a
sense of pride and personal accomplishment.
We live in a new paradigm if disposables, a consumption driven environment
based on instant gratification and commercialism. Perhaps this has always
existed to one degree or another, but many, long to break away from that
environment to a place with greater personal meaning, something tangible
that they feel has real value.
At times I just sit in the rubble that is now the inside of my old GMC
under reconstruction. I ponder the scribble "1/9/75 #2" on the plank behind
the shotgun seat and wonder who that guy was on that production line at GM.
I think of the miles that it has covered or the places it might yet see.
There is no question that it is an expensive toy, but it's hard to put a
price on dreams or the satisfaction that comes when one is achieved. I
guess I could spend my money on a shiny new SOB and have a pretty paint job
for a while, but I seriously wonder just how much of it will be left in
another 28 years. I don't believe what I've found in my GMC can be obtained
with a credit card. GMC'ers are a different breed I think, kind of like
Alaskans...
Norman Wheatley (01-29-03)
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Sean Kidd <Seankidd@ptd.net> wrote:
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> 2 Words... Cool factor, the GMC motorhome has a mysterious allure, I knew
> I wanted one 20 years before I became Oliver's steward.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239881 is a reply to message #239852] |
Thu, 13 February 2014 15:48 |
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Gmc plusses for me.
Low overhead height for entry and exit to more places.
Aerodynamic shape for less buffeting in the wind.
Low floor to make getting in and out easier.
Cool factor
Towing ability and agile steering to make towing/parking while towing easy.
Drives like a suburban.
Cool factor
Just the right size ( for my needs)
Vendor and peer support, unsurpassed as others have said.
The best actual driving experience compared to sobs. I removed all the upper cabinets which exposed the full height of the cabin windows. The view is so good while driving that I actually slow down to take it in.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Peer Oliver Schmidt <posde@theinternet.de> wrote:
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> Hello list,
>
> I've talked to a couple of people, some of them RVers since the
> beginning of time (or so it seems), and they all ask me: Why do you want
> to pay 10-15k for a 40 year old vehicle, when you can have something
> that is maybe 1/4th the age for the same price, with newer more powerful
> and economic engines, with newer appliances etc.
>
> My main point for the GMC beside it being a very nice looking and imho
> historic vehicle is lots of windows and nice size.
>
> What is the argument pro GMC Motorhome to say to those people?
> --
> Best regards
>
> Peer Oliver Schmidt
> the internet company
> PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
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Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
Seattle, Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239901 is a reply to message #239852] |
Thu, 13 February 2014 17:33 |
jhbridges
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I've not seen anything close for the money, and I've not seen anything which drives as well at any price. Sleep 3 comfoprtably, 2 spaciously, full tub in back to wash the dogs, my corchety wife and I can step into it instead of climbing stairs, I can fix it, etc. I can get pretty much any piece in it which isn't available at the chain parts houses overnight. Other than those, no reason atall. However, what can I get in an 04 or newer model for ten Large which comes close?
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
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From: Peer Oliver Schmidt <posde@theinternet.de>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:37 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used
Hello list,
I've talked to a couple of people, some of them RVers since the
beginning of time (or so it seems), and they all ask me: Why do you want
to pay 10-15k for a 40 year old vehicle, when you can have something
that is maybe 1/4th the age for the same price, with newer more powerful
and economic engines, with newer appliances etc.
My main point for the GMC beside it being a very nice looking and imho
historic vehicle is lots of windows and nice size.
What is the argument pro GMC Motorhome to say to those people?
--
Best regards
Peer Oliver Schmidt
the internet company
PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
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Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239915 is a reply to message #239852] |
Thu, 13 February 2014 18:15 |
rallymaster
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Sully, you forgot the final "Cool Factor". Shoulda been another one after
"The best actual driving experience" line.
RonC
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:48:22 -0800 Todd Sullivan <sgltrac@gmail.com>
writes:
> Gmc plusses for me.
>
> Low overhead height for entry and exit to more places.
> Aerodynamic shape for less buffeting in the wind.
> Low floor to make getting in and out easier.
> Cool factor
> Towing ability and agile steering to make towing/parking while
> towing easy.
> Drives like a suburban.
> Cool factor
> Just the right size ( for my needs)
> Vendor and peer support, unsurpassed as others have said.
> The best actual driving experience compared to sobs. I removed all
> the upper cabinets which exposed the full height of the cabin
> windows. The view is so good while driving that I actually slow down
> to take it in.
>
> Todd Sullivan
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> Seattle
>
> > On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Peer Oliver Schmidt
> <posde@theinternet.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hello list,
> >
> > I've talked to a couple of people, some of them RVers since the
> > beginning of time (or so it seems), and they all ask me: Why do
> you want
> > to pay 10-15k for a 40 year old vehicle, when you can have
> something
> > that is maybe 1/4th the age for the same price, with newer more
> powerful
> > and economic engines, with newer appliances etc.
> >
> > My main point for the GMC beside it being a very nice looking and
> imho
> > historic vehicle is lots of windows and nice size.
> >
> > What is the argument pro GMC Motorhome to say to those people?
> > --
> > Best regards
> >
> > Peer Oliver Schmidt
> > the internet company
> > PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
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Ron & Linda Clark
1978 GMC Eleganza II
North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239931 is a reply to message #239915] |
Thu, 13 February 2014 20:30 |
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We could have bought a 38 ft Holiday Rambler, 350 or so h/p diesel pusher, allison transmission, etc, etc, a real shower and a washer dryer for $18,000.00. We went to a dealer and sat in some 32/36/38 footers and even went inside a Prevost 45 footer that had belonged to Richard Petty. Talk about being outside your comfort zone! I didn't want to drive anything that large. Plus, I always thought the GMC was the coolest (like Steve McQueen as opposed to 'KEWL' like Justin Beiber) motorhome ever built.
I can do most of the work on it, I can get parts for it, it takes GASOLINE, it is easier to drive than a large dually truck. It is large enough. After living on USN destroyers, tent camping, backpacking and such it is the RITZ.
The most important reason.....WE like it. If THEY don't like it, that is THEIR problem.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239949 is a reply to message #239852] |
Thu, 13 February 2014 22:34 |
Bob S.
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I wonder about the more "economical engine" statement. Have your friends check out the price of a replacement engine or transmission in any newer SOB and they will quickly retract there statements concerning more economical engines. I ran a Service Department in a Ford Dealership and replaced quite a few V10's and they are far more expensive than any of our vendor's replacement engines. I met a gentlemen last summer with a fairly new Sprinter based Class C and he lunched the engine. The engine had 40,000 miles on it and the estimate on replacement was between $17000.00 and 25,000.00 with a 5 month wait on parts. Luckily Mercedes came through with some after warranty adjustment. I believe I will stick with our GMC prices and vendors.
As far as fuel mileage goes, I'll go head to head with any other Class A on the road.
My final argument is GMC's are damn cool, I'll bet very few SOB owners get questions and compliments every time they fill up.
Bob and Pam Schilling
Rapid City, SD
"78 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239951 is a reply to message #239852] |
Thu, 13 February 2014 23:27 |
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I think what I like doing most is setting the Cruise at 60 or 65 and passing all of the SOB's going up the hills.
I met on guy in a SOB at a rest area who said to me "I wish you would quit passing me every time we come to a hill". I said "slow down on the flat land and stay behind me and that will not happen".
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239959 is a reply to message #239955] |
Fri, 14 February 2014 01:23 |
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| USAussie wrote on Fri, 14 February 2014 00:53 |
And what was his retort?
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Burton
I think what I like doing most is setting the Cruise at 60 or 65 and passing all of the SOB's going up the hills.
I met on guy in a SOB at a rest area who said to me "I wish you would quit passing me every time we come to a hill". I said "slow
down on the flat land and stay behind me and that will not happen".
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He just chuckled. It was a friendly conversation. He was a retired Air Force guy out touring the country like Colonel Ken was doing last year. I forget what he was driving.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #239998 is a reply to message #239852] |
Fri, 14 February 2014 09:13 |
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here are a few other's
http://gmcmotorhome.info/buygmc.html
erf
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Peer Oliver Schmidt
<posde@theinternet.de>wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> I've talked to a couple of people, some of them RVers since the
> beginning of time (or so it seems), and they all ask me: Why do you want
> to pay 10-15k for a 40 year old vehicle, when you can have something
> that is maybe 1/4th the age for the same price, with newer more powerful
> and economic engines, with newer appliances etc.
>
> My main point for the GMC beside it being a very nice looking and imho
> historic vehicle is lots of windows and nice size.
>
> What is the argument pro GMC Motorhome to say to those people?
> --
> Best regards
>
> Peer Oliver Schmidt
> the internet company
> PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ancient vs Used [message #240010 is a reply to message #239977] |
Fri, 14 February 2014 09:58 |
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well first I think it's amazing that the new freightliners get 10mpg in a 40' 40,000lb motorhome. I guess those engines scale well  But thats a $500,000 vehicle, whats the pay back on that Matt?
second, I like my GMC, it's perfect. I don't want a 40'er
third, IF the GMC ever gets destroyed, I'll probably get a VW bus or something crazy. MAYBE a modern caravan conversion. Hopefully that choice wil never have to be made.
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
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