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Re: [GMCnet] E-15 fuel check it out [message #238898]

Wed, 05 February 2014 15:49

Tom Whitton

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A friend sent this today:

New E-15 gas coming to your gas station. DON'T USE IT!

Please watch to save your car's engine re the new fuel at the pump.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ceW9Nc1hVHU

Will this Lucas product work to combat potential E-15 problems?

http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=335&catid=8

Appreciate your input.

Thanks,

Tom Whitton
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Paducah, KY
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Re: [GMCnet] E-15 fuel check it out [message #238907 is a reply to message #238898]

Wed, 05 February 2014 17:12

Matt Colie

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Tom Whitton wrote on Wed, 05 February 2014 16:49

Tom,

I would not count on this or any other product to protect the fuel system from the damage that ethanol can do.

The reason is simple gasoline and ethanol mix is a mixture of non-polar and what is sometimes referred to as a semi-polar. Hydrocarbons are almost exclusively non-polar. (The molecules have no different charge at one end than the other.) Water is a polar molecule. (The hydrogen end is one polarity and the oxygen end is the other.) That is why they don't mix. Ethanol is almost non-polar, but it has an oxygen atom at one end and not at the other.

Modern materials can be made to resist one thing at a time and trying to resist attacks by two different things is like fighting a war on two fronts. It is really tough to do.

With the exception of a very few "Flex-Fuel" vehicles, all the American OEs will void the warranty if you fuel with E-15 and then the engine, fuel handling or emissions system requires repair.

Matt

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Re: [GMCnet] E-15 fuel check it out [message #238910 is a reply to message #238898]

Wed, 05 February 2014 17:31

Matt Colie

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I think Dave put this in the wrong thread, it is a good read.
Matt

Otterwan wrote on Wed, 05 February 2014 18:15

A slightly less sensationalist view (though for the most part it confirms what the talking heads said):

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/ethanol-damage-engine.htm

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Re: [GMCnet] E-15 fuel check it out [message #238911 is a reply to message #238910]

Wed, 05 February 2014 17:44

Otterwan

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Thanks Matt!

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Re: [GMCnet] E-15 fuel check it out [message #238914 is a reply to message #238907]

Wed, 05 February 2014 18:16

Bob de Kruyff

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""With the exception of a very few "Flex-Fuel" vehicles, all the American OEs will void the warranty if you fuel with E-15 and then the engine, fuel handling or emissions system requires repair. ""

Matt--there are now millions of flex fuel vehicles on the road and they can run fine on 0 to 85% alcohol. The only difference between similar non-flex fuel models is the calibration. The fuel related parts are now all the same. Now whether any of that makes sense for the customer is a differnt story.

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