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| Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter [message #237699 is a reply to message #237663] |
Mon, 27 January 2014 19:08   |
cadelec
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Rob
What Features that are important to you that you want to monitor
if you list in order then the device will be easier to source
AC or DC
Volts
Current
Frequency
power Used kWH
Run Time
Trevor
Brisbane Australia
Siesta Koala 76 Edgemont (old Bobby Moores)
71 Cadillac Eldo Convert
58 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham Project
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter [message #237709 is a reply to message #237695] |
Mon, 27 January 2014 20:16 |
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| JohnL455 wrote on Mon, 27 January 2014 18:56 |
No good. Needs 160v minimum to opperate
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The Blue Streak has a 230volt 50 cycle generator in it.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter [message #237722 is a reply to message #237663] |
Mon, 27 January 2014 21:50 |
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I don't think it's feasible, Rob, from what I can see of the specs.
It merely samples the output voltage (160-250 or so) and has a simple built-in frequency counter to display that parameter.
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> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:33:40 +1100
> Subject: [GMCnet] Power Meter
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> G'day,
>
> I am thinking about installing one of these:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/171070663907?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_3697wt_900
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> In The Blue Streak and was wondering if / how to wire it to get Amps.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter [message #237757 is a reply to message #237699] |
Tue, 28 January 2014 07:21 |
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USAussie
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G'day,
Oops! I posted a link to the wrong meter!
http://tinyurl.com/krsva6z
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-IN-1-DIGITAL-TRIPLE-RED-LED-DISPLAY-AC-V-Hz-Current-Working-Time-PANEL-METER-/310710658894?pt=LH_DefaultDo
main_0&hash=item4857cc674e#ht_4149wt_900
or
http://tinyurl.com/lovmem6
http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-IN-1-DIGITAL-TRIPLE-RED-LED-DISPLAY-AC-V-Hz-Kw-COS-WORKING-TIME-PANEL-METER-/310710667054?pt=LH_DefaultDom
ain_2&hash=item4857cc872e#ht_4174wt_900
I would like to monitor:
240 AC Voltage
50 AC Hz
Total amps being drawn by all AC powered equipment on The Blue Streak
I would also like to find the same kind of meter for Double Trouble in the USA.
I have a Kill-A-Watt but you can't monitor any device that's hard wired into the AC system.
I assume that I would have to wire this into the main supply buss just ahead of the circuit breakers. Double Trouble has CB's for
the front A/C, the rear A/C. the water heater, and the wall plugs. If I turn on those C/B's one at a time I could see how many amps
each item is drawing. Since the wall plugs feed the PD Convertor, fridge, microwave, etc. I can do the same thing with them.
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Trevor Pordage
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:08 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter
Rob
What Features that are important to you that you want to monitor
if you list in order then the device will be easier to source
AC or DC
Volts
Current
Frequency
power Used kWH
Run Time
USAussie wrote on Mon, 27 January 2014 17:33
> G'day,
>
> I am thinking about installing one of these:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/171070663907?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_3697wt_900
>
> In The Blue Streak and was wondering if / how to wire it to get Amps.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter [message #237769 is a reply to message #237757] |
Tue, 28 January 2014 08:28 |
Ken Henderson
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Rob,
I was curious about the specs on your second entry. When I saw that the
essential current transformer was not included, I checked "other items".
Before I found the transformer, I found this, which appears to meet your
need at much less cost, is applicable to 120 vac also, and DOES include the
current transformer:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-in-1-Red-LED-Digital-Meter-AC600V-100A-Voltage-Current-Frequency-power-DC12V-/310855695453?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=it em4860717c5d
http://goo.gl/oSZ4sg
There are others further down the list that have additional features, such
as dual displays and power functions. I never did find a listing for a
current transformer for your choice.
Ken H.
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Oops! I posted a link to the wrong meter!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/krsva6z
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-IN-1-DIGITAL-TRIPLE-RED-LED-DISPLAY-AC-V-Hz-Current-Working-Time-PANEL-METER-/310710658894?pt=LH_DefaultDo
> main_0&hash=item4857cc674e#ht_4149wt_900
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/lovmem6
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-IN-1-DIGITAL-TRIPLE-RED-LED-DISPLAY-AC-V-Hz-Kw-COS-WORKING-TIME-PANEL-METER-/310710667054?pt=LH_DefaultDom
> ain_2&hash=item4857cc872e#ht_4174wt_900
>
> I would like to monitor:
>
> 240 AC Voltage
> 50 AC Hz
> Total amps being drawn by all AC powered equipment on The Blue Streak
>
> I would also like to find the same kind of meter for Double Trouble in the
> USA.
>
> I have a Kill-A-Watt but you can't monitor any device that's hard wired
> into the AC system.
>
> I assume that I would have to wire this into the main supply buss just
> ahead of the circuit breakers. Double Trouble has CB's for
> the front A/C, the rear A/C. the water heater, and the wall plugs. If I
> turn on those C/B's one at a time I could see how many amps
> each item is drawing. Since the wall plugs feed the PD Convertor, fridge,
> microwave, etc. I can do the same thing with them.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter [message #237774 is a reply to message #237757] |
Tue, 28 January 2014 08:50 |
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| USAussie wrote on Tue, 28 January 2014 08:21 |
G'day,
Oops! I posted a link to the wrong meter!
http://tinyurl.com/krsva6z
or
http://tinyurl.com/lovmem6
I would like to monitor:
240 AC Voltage
50 AC Hz
Total amps being drawn by all AC powered equipment on The Blue Streak
I would also like to find the same kind of meter for Double Trouble in the USA.
I have a Kill-A-Watt but you can't monitor any device that's hard wired into the AC system.
I assume that I would have to wire this into the main supply buss just ahead of the circuit breakers. Double Trouble has CB's for the front A/C, the rear A/C. the water heater, and the wall plugs. If I turn on those C/B's one at a time I could see how many amps each item is drawing. Since the wall plugs feed the PD Convertor, fridge, microwave, etc. I can do the same thing with them.
Regards,
Rob M. Australia (just now)
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Rob,
That instrument will do what you want, but it will need a current transformer (a heavy donut with two wires exiting) to enable it to read current. They are vary available and not expensive. The instrument says its default calibration is for a 500/5 CT (current transformer) but it says others can be applied. I would suggest you look for a 100/5 for your coach application.
Now I would like to find one for 120V 60Hz.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter [message #237847 is a reply to message #237769] |
Tue, 28 January 2014 17:48 |
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USAussie
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Ken,
Well spotted! The unit you found is mo betta!
I'd like to install it near the Avion Panel which is above the pantry to the left of the entry door. I assume that I will have to
run a wire through the current transformer to read amps. In the picture the wires from the current transformer to the meter are
short, would it still work if I ran the two wires from the main input buss to the circuit breaker panel on the driver side, across
the ceiling, forward about 4 feet, and then down a foot or so to the meter?
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Henderson
Rob,
I was curious about the specs on your second entry. When I saw that the
essential current transformer was not included, I checked "other items".
Before I found the transformer, I found this, which appears to meet your
need at much less cost, is applicable to 120 vac also, and DOES include the
current transformer:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-in-1-Red-LED-Digital-Meter-AC600V-100A-Voltage-Current-Frequency-power-DC12V-/310855695453?pt=LH_DefaultDo
main_0&hash=item4860717c5d
http://goo.gl/oSZ4sg
There are others further down the list that have additional features, such
as dual displays and power functions. I never did find a listing for a
current transformer for your choice.
Ken H.
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter [message #237849 is a reply to message #237847] |
Tue, 28 January 2014 17:56 |
Ken Henderson
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Rob,
The current transformer for ac current is analogous to a shunt for a DC
ammeter. The shore input line must pass through the transformer core
(donut); the smaller wires go to the meter, which can be 'most any distance
away.
Ken H.
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Well spotted! The unit you found is mo betta!
>
> I'd like to install it near the Avion Panel which is above the pantry to
> the left of the entry door. I assume that I will have to
> run a wire through the current transformer to read amps. In the picture
> the wires from the current transformer to the meter are
> short, would it still work if I ran the two wires from the main input buss
> to the circuit breaker panel on the driver side, across
> the ceiling, forward about 4 feet, and then down a foot or so to the meter?
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter [message #237857 is a reply to message #237849] |
Tue, 28 January 2014 19:01 |
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USAussie
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Ken,
THANKS! That's what I was hoping you would say!
I've sent an email to the seller to see what kind of deal he'll do for three of them, one for The Blue Streak, one for Double
Trouble, and one spare.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Henderson
Rob,
The current transformer for ac current is analogous to a shunt for a DC
ammeter. The shore input line must pass through the transformer core
(donut); the smaller wires go to the meter, which can be 'most any distance
away.
Ken H.
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter [message #237919 is a reply to message #237663] |
Wed, 29 January 2014 08:05 |
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If it will measure very low voltages, you could use a shunt. Otherwise, you're scrod (Pluperfect subjunctive of 'to screw').
--johnny
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From: Robert Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:33 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Power Meter
G'day,
I am thinking about installing one of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171070663907?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_3697wt_900
In The Blue Streak and was wondering if / how to wire it to get Amps.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter [message #237925 is a reply to message #237774] |
Wed, 29 January 2014 08:44 |
jhbridges
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I note that the CT is not included. You'll need the spec the meter wants for a CT.
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From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Power Meter
USAussie wrote on Tue, 28 January 2014 08:21
> G'day,
>
> Oops! I posted a link to the wrong meter!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/krsva6z
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/lovmem6
>
> I would like to monitor:
>
> 240 AC Voltage
> 50 AC Hz
> Total amps being drawn by all AC powered equipment on The Blue Streak
>
> I would also like to find the same kind of meter for Double Trouble in the USA.
>
> I have a Kill-A-Watt but you can't monitor any device that's hard wired into the AC system.
>
> I assume that I would have to wire this into the main supply buss just ahead of the circuit breakers. Double Trouble has CB's for the front A/C, the rear A/C. the water heater, and the wall plugs. If I turn on those C/B's one at a time I could see how many amps each item is drawing. Since the wall plugs feed the PD Convertor, fridge, microwave, etc. I can do the same thing with them.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M. Australia (just now)
Rob,
That instrument will do what you want, but it will need a current transformer (a heavy donut with two wires exiting) to enable it to read current. They are vary available and not expensive. The instrument says its default calibration is for a 500/5 CT (current transformer) but it says others can be applied. I would suggest you look for a 100/5 for your coach application.
Now I would like to find one for 120V 60Hz.
Matt
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'73 Glacier 23 With 4 Rear Brakes that pull as they should
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