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[GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237360] Fri, 24 January 2014 21:12 Go to next message
Brian Waddell is currently offline  Brian Waddell   United States
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I have an all electric fridge....behind this fridge there was a boxed in afair that I believe was meant to vent the fridge, this space is accessable from the vent outside. This boxed in affair is long gone and I can see the remains of some wood brackets, What to do....is it a safety issue?..I think not as the fridge is all electric..so maybe this venting was only necessary on propane fridges.... also the inside of the coach is exposed more to the outside....any ideas of what to do? any remodel ideas?...thanks brian 77 ele 455
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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237366 is a reply to message #237360] Fri, 24 January 2014 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm pretty sure I'm putting in a house fridge in mine. Propane fridge needs some pretty good venting to work properly. Use it for storage. I'm going to mount my 2 water heaters in there and vent them out the same area the roof vent is. But yeah use it for some kind of storage if you have a house fridge. Might want a bigger door with no louvers because you won't need ventilation as long as there is still enough inside ventilation for the fridge to work.
Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237372 is a reply to message #237366] Fri, 24 January 2014 22:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bill,

GMC didn't get the design quite right for propane powered fridges so they issued Service Bulletin: 75-TM-9 (24-2) Improving Norcold
Refrigerator Performance (1973 & 1974 Motorhomes).

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dolinsky

I'm pretty sure I'm putting in a house fridge in mine. Propane fridge needs some pretty good venting to work properly. Use it for
storage. I'm going to mount my 2 water heaters in there and vent them out the same area the roof vent is. But yeah use it for some
kind of storage if you have a house fridge. Might want a bigger door with no louvers because you won't need ventilation as long as
there is still enough inside ventilation for the fridge to work.
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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237377 is a reply to message #237372] Fri, 24 January 2014 22:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah I just know my father in law bought a little truck camper and the fridge didn't work worth crap on propane. We had to install what I consider a huge roof vent to make it work. I'm going house because I can get 9 cubic feet for $400 and they only consume 900 watts a day. Same size fridge LPG /120 is around $1600 to start. 120/LPG fridge consumes 3000 watts a day because they use a heating element instead of a compressor. I'll save my propane for heat and run 12 volt inverter when camping dry. A little more loss with inverter but.
Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237378 is a reply to message #237377] Fri, 24 January 2014 22:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WildBill wrote on Fri, 24 January 2014 23:25

Yeah I just know my father in law bought a little truck camper and the fridge didn't work worth crap on propane. We had to install what I consider a huge roof vent to make it work. I'm going house because I can get 9 cubic feet for $400 and they only consume 900 watts a day. Same size fridge LPG /120 is around $1600 to start. 120/LPG fridge consumes 3000 watts a day because they use a heating element instead of a compressor. I'll save my propane for heat and run 12 volt inverter when camping dry. A little more loss with inverter but.

Bill,

Before you commit to that, run a complete power balance.
When you have it done, come back and tell me what you see.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237379 is a reply to message #237372] Fri, 24 January 2014 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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link?


On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Robert Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:

> Bill,
>
> GMC didn't get the design quite right for propane powered fridges so they
> issued Service Bulletin: 75-TM-9 (24-2) Improving Norcold
> Refrigerator Performance (1973 & 1974 Motorhomes).
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Dolinsky
>
> I'm pretty sure I'm putting in a house fridge in mine. Propane fridge
> needs some pretty good venting to work properly. Use it for
> storage. I'm going to mount my 2 water heaters in there and vent them out
> the same area the roof vent is. But yeah use it for some
> kind of storage if you have a house fridge. Might want a bigger door with
> no louvers because you won't need ventilation as long as
> there is still enough inside ventilation for the fridge to work.
> --
> Bill
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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237381 is a reply to message #237360] Fri, 24 January 2014 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm looking more at dollar balance! But I have to check out some used stuff yet.
Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237382 is a reply to message #237379] Fri, 24 January 2014 22:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gene,

I didn't include the link because it will download a 38Mb document and I don't like to do that to people unless they know that's
going to happen.

It's on Bdub's website: http://www.bdub.net/manuals/X0021.zip

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
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link?

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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237386 is a reply to message #237366] Fri, 24 January 2014 23:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you are telling me nothing...brian


> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: Wildbillnick@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:48:16 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge
>
>
>
> I'm pretty sure I'm putting in a house fridge in mine. Propane fridge needs some pretty good venting to work properly. Use it for storage. I'm going to mount my 2 water heaters in there and vent them out the same area the roof vent is. But yeah use it for some kind of storage if you have a house fridge. Might want a bigger door with no louvers because you won't need ventilation as long as there is still enough inside ventilation for the fridge to work.
> --
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> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237388 is a reply to message #237360] Fri, 24 January 2014 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like propane fridges, guys wrecking 4 year old trailers are charging about 50% for appliances. First year on the acreage might be dry camping. Power to site is underground so I have to have a pretty good idea where power is going to go should I put in a temporary panel otherwise I have to pay for trenching and wire twice. Running 120 off an inverter wouldn't be an option with a LPG /120 fridge, more than 3 times the power. LPG works great and most of the time we wouldn't need much heat however the original heater I had considering I had a 3' by 4' hole in the back. And ran it about 10 hours over a couple days and had about 1/3 20 pounder tank left. Rv tank is 19 gallons so I figure I used 3 to 4 gallons for heat. Fridge won't use anywhere near that but if all I have is 19 gallons for heat I don't want to use anymore for fridge if I don't have to. Then there are all the guys on here with experience with rv fires and seems most are caused by fridges? Only thing I don't like about inverters is standby draw. If I'm on 120 or running no issue, 900 wats off battery with inverter not out of this world. I would consider solar but buck a watt. Got time to make this decision!
Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237393 is a reply to message #237388] Sat, 25 January 2014 00:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Bill,

Here's info about GMC fires:

http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Mueller_GMCer-Fire-Guide.pdf

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dolinsky

I like propane fridges, guys wrecking 4 year old trailers are charging about 50% for appliances. First year on the acreage might be
dry camping. Power to site is underground so I have to have a pretty good idea where power is going to go should I put in a
temporary panel otherwise I have to pay for trenching and wire twice. Running 120 off an inverter wouldn't be an option with a LPG
/120 fridge, more than 3 times the power. LPG works great and most of the time we wouldn't need much heat however the original
heater I had considering I had a 3' by 4' hole in the back. And ran it about 10 hours over a couple days and had about 1/3 20
pounder tank left. Rv tank is 19 gallons so I figure I used 3 to 4 gallons for heat. Fridge won't use anywhere near that but if all
I have is 19 gallons for heat I don't want to use anymore for fridge if I don't have to. Then there are all the guys on here with
experience with rv fires and seems most are caused by fridges? Only thing I don't like
about inverters is standby draw. If I'm on 120 or running no issue, 900 wats off battery with inverter not out of this world. I
would consider solar but buck a watt. Got time to make this decision!
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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237399 is a reply to message #237393] Sat, 25 January 2014 01:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the link, yeah insulation was melted and black above the blown out muffler, glad it's not cracked manifolds. After pulling floor and finding tanks thought to myself why wouldn't they run steel fuel lines. Don't need big feed for propanes to drivers side, just range so all LPG lines replaced. Good 8 gauge to battery and upgraded feeds to fuse blocks etc will help eliminate electrical fires. Don't understand what that $20 thing does. Think I have room for a 130 amp Leece Neville I have laying around. Don't want to die in a fire either!

USAussie wrote on Fri, 24 January 2014 23:32

Bill,

Here's info about GMC fires:

http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Mueller_GMCer-Fire-Guide.pdf

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dolinsky

I like propane fridges, guys wrecking 4 year old trailers are charging about 50% for appliances. First year on the acreage might be
dry camping. Power to site is underground so I have to have a pretty good idea where power is going to go should I put in a
temporary panel otherwise I have to pay for trenching and wire twice. Running 120 off an inverter wouldn't be an option with a LPG
/120 fridge, more than 3 times the power. LPG works great and most of the time we wouldn't need much heat however the original
heater I had considering I had a 3' by 4' hole in the back. And ran it about 10 hours over a couple days and had about 1/3 20
pounder tank left. Rv tank is 19 gallons so I figure I used 3 to 4 gallons for heat. Fridge won't use anywhere near that but if all
I have is 19 gallons for heat I don't want to use anymore for fridge if I don't have to. Then there are all the guys on here with
experience with rv fires and seems most are caused by fridges? Only thing I don't like
about inverters is standby draw. If I'm on 120 or running no issue, 900 wats off battery with inverter not out of this world. I
would consider solar but buck a watt. Got time to make this decision!
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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237403 is a reply to message #237399] Sat, 25 January 2014 06:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Bill,

I assume the $20 thing you've mention below is the APC; here's what it does:

http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dolinsky

Thanks for the link, yeah insulation was melted and black above the blown out muffler, glad it's not cracked manifolds. After
pulling floor and finding tanks thought to myself why wouldn't they run steel fuel lines. Don't need big feed for propanes to
drivers side, just range so all LPG lines replaced. Good 8 gauge to battery and upgraded feeds to fuse blocks etc will help
eliminate electrical fires. Don't understand what that $20 thing does. Think I have room for a 130 amp Leece Neville I have laying
around. Don't want to die in a fire either!


Bill

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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237405 is a reply to message #237382] Sat, 25 January 2014 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yah, better to copy the page and send a link to that
tanks


On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Robert Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:

> Gene,
>
> I didn't include the link because it will download a 38Mb document and I
> don't like to do that to people unless they know that's
> going to happen.
>
> It's on Bdub's website: http://www.bdub.net/manuals/X0021.zip
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gene Fisher
>
> link?
>
> Gene Fisher
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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237500 is a reply to message #237388] Sun, 26 January 2014 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WildBill wrote on Fri, 24 January 2014 22:43

I like propane fridges, guys wrecking 4 year old trailers are charging about 50% for appliances. First year on the acreage might be dry camping. Power to site is underground so I have to have a pretty good idea where power is going to go should I put in a temporary panel otherwise I have to pay for trenching and wire twice. Running 120 off an inverter wouldn't be an option with a LPG /120 fridge, more than 3 times the power. LPG works great and most of the time we wouldn't need much heat however the original heater I had considering I had a 3' by 4' hole in the back. And ran it about 10 hours over a couple days and had about 1/3 20 pounder tank left. Rv tank is 19 gallons so I figure I used 3 to 4 gallons for heat. Fridge won't use anywhere near that but if all I have is 19 gallons for heat I don't want to use anymore for fridge if I don't have to. Then there are all the guys on here with experience with rv fires and seems most are caused by fridges? Only thing I don't like about inverters is standby draw. If I'm on 120 or running no issue, 900 wats off battery with inverter not out of this world. I would consider solar but buck a watt. Got time to make this decision!


Bill, I run 2 all electric refrigerators (one can be set as a freezer)
Each one consumes 180-190 watts whilc running and depending on how hot it is, they run 1/3 to 2/3 of the time. You can do the math, but it is managable. I have 2 banks of house batteries (each comprised of 2 6V batteries in series.) I only boon dock.

<a href="http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g4435-refrigerator.html" target="_blank"></a>

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/refrigerator/p16527.html


Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ

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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237510 is a reply to message #237500] Sun, 26 January 2014 11:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah pretty much exactly what I plan on doing. No onan, that slide out tray was around a hundred lbs. figure I have room in there for a couple 8D deep cycles or 6 volts and still have room for a little honda 1000 to 2000 watt portable. Carry it out into the bush and run it when needed. Thanks for the link to your pics.

Pretty tired, got the rest of the interior out yesterday. All floors gone. Pulled out the fibreglass insulation stuffed into tiny places by a PO and removed all his bubble insulation prior to a pressure wash, went down to about 6f today so that's not happening today. Body pads and fuel/air lines to replace next.
Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237527 is a reply to message #237510] Sun, 26 January 2014 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bill

Could you put a name and your GMC model in a signature line so we know whre
you live..and what you have?
Tks
Mike in NS

On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Bill Dolinsky <Wildbillnick@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Yeah pretty much exactly what I plan on doing. No onan, that slide out
> tray was around a hundred lbs. figure I have room in there for a couple 8D
> deep cycles or 6 volts and still have room for a little honda 1000 to 2000
> watt portable. Carry it out into the bush and run it when needed. Thanks
> for the link to your pics.
>
> Pretty tired, got the rest of the interior out yesterday. All floors gone.
> Pulled out the fibreglass insulation stuffed into tiny places by a PO and
> removed all his bubble insulation prior to a pressure wash, went down to
> about 6f today so that's not happening today. Body pads and fuel/air lines
> to replace next.
>
> --
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> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
> 1977 Kingsley TZE167V102169
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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237528 is a reply to message #237527] Sun, 26 January 2014 13:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oops...sorry about that, Bill.
It was there all along, I just didn't see it.
On another post, i see you have been a busy boy! <VBG>

Mike in NS

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> Bill
>
> Could you put a name and your GMC model in a signature line so we know
> whre you live..and what you have?
> Tks
> Mike in NS
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Bill Dolinsky <Wildbillnick@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Yeah pretty much exactly what I plan on doing. No onan, that slide out
>> tray was around a hundred lbs. figure I have room in there for a couple 8D
>> deep cycles or 6 volts and still have room for a little honda 1000 to 2000
>> watt portable. Carry it out into the bush and run it when needed. Thanks
>> for the link to your pics.
>>
>> Pretty tired, got the rest of the interior out yesterday. All floors
>> gone. Pulled out the fibreglass insulation stuffed into tiny places by a PO
>> and removed all his bubble insulation prior to a pressure wash, went down
>> to about 6f today so that's not happening today. Body pads and fuel/air
>> lines to replace next.
>>
>> --
>> Bill Dolinsky
>> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
>> 1977 Kingsley TZE167V102169
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>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] behind fridge [message #237529 is a reply to message #237527] Sun, 26 January 2014 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike,
Why can't you see that Bill and his 77 Kingsley are in Edmonton, Alberta?
Is that an email user issue? Just curious.
Bills' info shows up on the forum.


Gene Barrow
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Gene
I was using someone elses computer and when I held the mouse over it,
nothing showed. A moment later I tried again...and there it was.

Yes, I'm an email-er...and in this case an idiot ! :)

Mike in NS

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>
> Mike,
> Why can't you see that Bill and his 77 Kingsley are in Edmonton, Alberta?
> Is that an email user issue? Just curious.
> Bills' info shows up on the forum.
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