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Mon, 20 January 2014 16:21  |
Johnnycrash
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Well, I guess 95" to 102". Does the rub strip count??
Has anyone done such a mod?? I mean, it would give you another 6" or 7" the full length of the coach. Or would it introduce all kinds of issues I haven't thought of??
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| Re: 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #236800 is a reply to message #236769] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 18:37  |
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John,
MTCW - it is not worth the trouble.
If one is going to stretch a coach, which has been done before, it is better to do so in length. Also I'm not 100% sure, but don't some states have a problem with vehicles over 8' wide?
Tony (Ontario Canada)
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| Re: 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #236823 is a reply to message #236804] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 20:10 |
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| Ultravan Owners wrote |
Also I'm not 100% sure, but don't some states have a problem with vehicles over 8' wide?
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As far as I know, the legal max width in the USA and Canada is 8'6" (102"). GMC Newlook buses came in both flavours. First the GMC 96", then for passenger comfort, the GMC 102". Note the difference in the distance from the center emblem to the vent on the passenger side. Mirrors are excluded.
As for the trouble... I mean, if you are hacking one up anyways... Why not??
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As is the rear track is as wide as I would want to be on a lot of roads.
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But, wouldn't wider mean more stable?? Or do you mean the road is too narrow??
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| Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #236862 is a reply to message #236769] |
Tue, 21 January 2014 07:17 |
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That would be a hell of a job..........
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From: John Fleming <johnfleming@coldnorth.com>
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Subject: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch??
Well, I guess 95" to 102". Does the rub strip count??
Has anyone done such a mod?? I mean, it would give you another 6" or 7" the full length of the coach. Or would it introduce all kinds of issues I haven't thought of??
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| Re: 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #236886 is a reply to message #236823] |
Tue, 21 January 2014 10:18 |
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| Johnnycrash wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 21:10 |
| Ultravan Owners wrote |
Also I'm not 100% sure, but don't some states have a problem with vehicles over 8' wide?
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As far as I know, the legal max width in the USA and Canada is 8'6" (102"). GMC Newlook buses came in both flavours. First the GMC 96", then for passenger comfort, the GMC 102". Note the difference in the distance from the center emblem to the vent on the passenger side. Mirrors are excluded.
As for the trouble... I mean, if you are hacking one up anyways... Why not??
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As is the rear track is as wide as I would want to be on a lot of roads.
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But, wouldn't wider mean more stable?? Or do you mean the road is too narrow??
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Hi John,
I'm replying to your quote: As for the trouble... I mean, if you are hacking one up anyways... Why not??
Before I start let me say; I know firsthand how it can be sharing a project idea with others.
You will get all kinds of replies and most "can be" negative.
And a lot of them can be what you do NOT want to hear.
With that said I picture it like this.
You see a lot of extra length gained. EDIT to say: You see the extra width gained for the entire length of the coach.
But at what cost in time, money and materials for what gain.
Is the extra/wider walking space worth it all?
Or maybe you gain a little deeper cabinet space along the length of the coach. But you only gain 3” per side; for all the welding, brackets, and braces that would be needed to “safely” make your coach wider.
MTCW - For the "extra" cost, materials and time invested - one would gain much more if they were to add 2' or even 4' in length if they can and not width to a smaller coach. I also “FEEL” to lengthen a coach is easier and faster than to widen one. Again you will have more framing, braces and brackets to widen your coach. But then again I could be wrong.
I think making it longer is the way to go.
WHY do I “feel” this way you ask.
1) His and hers closets’ with draws below and hanging space above. = Big bang for your buck! Everyone seems to want more storage space. (Not sure if you are married or plan to be.
But one thing I know for sure. A happy wife makes for a happy life.
In this case HAPPY camping experience (for all) and more willing wife to do so!
2) And/or you could have longer beds too. (It gives you more options to change the rear bedroom layout to your liking. And if one was to do a twin bed layout, like I prefer, you gain all that extra storage space added under the longer beds.)
3) And then some people prefer a larger bathroom.
Or even a Toilet and sink on one side and a shower on the other.
IMHO – Your extra 6” inches the entire length will only give you 3” on either side of the coach, or the full 6” in the middle of a coach – unless you off set your interior walls as you walk back to the rear of the coach. It is not the same as one gaining an extra 1’ foot width for the entire depth of a bathroom. You will have much more room to stand in the bathroom and/or in the shower and gain lots more extra storage space to boot.
But then again it is my way of thinking...
NOTE: I took just enough drafting in High School and AutoCad in College to get me in trouble.
And I never thought them, nor do I think now, that I know it all.
Best of luck with your project!
Sincerely, Tony
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #236906 is a reply to message #236769] |
Tue, 21 January 2014 12:23 |
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Hey Tony,
Well, I have NO intention of doing this. Mostly because I don't HAVE a GMC MH. 
I was just curious if anyone had or thought of doing it. I have seen all kinds of modifications (some an improvement, some not so much). I thought a width increase would make it far more comfortable to move around inside.
But you are right about the hassle. EVERY single lateral structural member would need to be modified. You probably could get away with modding the chassis width though. But, that means you couldn't increase the track. And without moving the rear wheels outward, you are still stuck with the stock width between the wells.
And dealing with the windshield... I'm not sure if it would be legal to have a 6" wide frame member right down the center like that. As for the back window... Just leave it centered, and fill in the sides.
Or, just stick with 95". 
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| Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #236920 is a reply to message #236906] |
Tue, 21 January 2014 14:23 |
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John,
For the record anyone that wanted to do this would have to remove ALL the sprayed on insulation from anywhere near where you needed
to weld, it is HIGHLY FLAMMABLE!
That in and of itself would be a HORRIFIC task!
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: John Fleming
Hey Tony,
Well, I have NO intention of doing this. Mostly because I don't HAVE a GMC MH. :cry:
I was just curious if anyone had or thought of doing it. I have seen all kinds of modifications (some an improvement, some not so
much). I thought a width increase would make it far more comfortable to move around inside.
But you are right about the hassle. EVERY single lateral structural member would need to be modified. You probably could get away
with modding the chassis width though. But, that means you couldn't increase the track. And without moving the rear wheels outward,
you are still stuck with the stock width between the wells.
And dealing with the windshield... I'm not sure if it would be legal to have a 6" wide frame member right down the center like that.
As for the back window... Just leave it centered, and fill in the sides.
Or, just stick with 95". :lol:
John Fleming
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| Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #236926 is a reply to message #236920] |
Tue, 21 January 2014 14:56 |
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Widening the coach is easy. Split it into halves and make your increase in
the center. Simply put using the center saves a lot of side hacking, but
the work in the center would be a lot of modifying of each frame rail. Its
how Boeing considered making the 747-500 and -600 series to make it larger
without restoring to a full second deck, to maintain the "look" of a 747.
For the GMC, it would allow the retaining of the glass windshield, and the
rear window by a simple frame to close the gap in the rear and a wider
spacer between the glass panels in front.
:D
and while your adding the width, lengthen it too. :D
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Robert Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> John,
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> For the record anyone that wanted to do this would have to remove ALL the
> sprayed on insulation from anywhere near where you needed
> to weld, it is HIGHLY FLAMMABLE!
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> That in and of itself would be a HORRIFIC task!
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Fleming
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> Hey Tony,
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> Well, I have NO intention of doing this. Mostly because I don't HAVE a GMC
> MH. :cry:
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> I was just curious if anyone had or thought of doing it. I have seen all
> kinds of modifications (some an improvement, some not so
> much). I thought a width increase would make it far more comfortable to
> move around inside.
>
> But you are right about the hassle. EVERY single lateral structural member
> would need to be modified. You probably could get away
> with modding the chassis width though. But, that means you couldn't
> increase the track. And without moving the rear wheels outward,
> you are still stuck with the stock width between the wells.
>
> And dealing with the windshield... I'm not sure if it would be legal to
> have a 6" wide frame member right down the center like that.
> As for the back window... Just leave it centered, and fill in the sides.
>
> Or, just stick with 95". :lol:
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> John Fleming
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| Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #236955 is a reply to message #236926] |
Tue, 21 January 2014 21:39 |
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It would be a job but certainly possible. I widened an Eagle Bus 7 3/8" as well as adding 6" to the front and 4 1/2' to the rear. I'd think widening the front would be the hardest part of the project but I've seen buses with a 6" glass added in the center of the windshields that don't look odd. Fun to think about though....
Hal
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| Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #236970 is a reply to message #236955] |
Wed, 22 January 2014 06:39 |
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From: Hal StClair <eaglefabrication1@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch??
It would be a job but certainly possible. I widened an Eagle Bus 7 3/8" as well as adding 6" to the front and 4 1/2' to the rear. I'd think widening the front would be the hardest part of the project but I've seen buses with a 6" glass added in the center of the windshields that don't look odd. Fun to think about though....
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| Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #236971 is a reply to message #236906] |
Wed, 22 January 2014 07:06 |
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Interesting thought. Nearly 30 years ago Superior Coach Company widened GMC vans for use as ambulances. They put glass in the center. For the rear door they put an extender on one door.
Now, doing that to a GMC is another issue. What are you going to do wth the point on the front end? That would spoil the design considerably to have a six-inch wide flat strip from bumper to roof. Josh, what were you thinking? Come on, man, January skies getting to you, too?
Byron Songer
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From: John Fleming
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 13:24 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch??
Hey Tony,
Well, I have NO intention of doing this. Mostly because I don't HAVE a GMC MH. :cry:
I was just curious if anyone had or thought of doing it. I have seen all kinds of modifications (some an improvement, some not so much). I thought a width increase would make it far more comfortable to move around inside.
But you are right about the hassle. EVERY single lateral structural member would need to be modified. You probably could get away with modding the chassis width though. But, that means you couldn't increase the track. And without moving the rear wheels outward, you are still stuck with the stock width between the wells.
And dealing with the windshield... I'm not sure if it would be legal to have a 6" wide frame member right down the center like that. As for the back window... Just leave it centered, and fill in the sides.
Or, just stick with 95". :lol:
.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #236989 is a reply to message #236971] |
Wed, 22 January 2014 10:13 |
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| Byron Songer wrote |
Interesting thought. Nearly 30 years ago Superior Coach Company widened GMC vans for use as ambulances. They put glass in the center. For the rear door they put an extender on one door.
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Really?? I didn't know that. That is very interesting. And damnitalltohell... Giving me MORE ideas. STOP IT!! No, don't stop. I complain, but I LOVE it.
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What are you going to do wth the point on the front end?
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That I have solved. Once split in two, graft in a complete new peak. Other than the actual window glass issue, the rest of the front, all the way from the lower valance to the nose, to the top of the windshield, to the back of the to section where it meets the rest of the roof... Would look exactly the same as if it hadn't been modified. It would be longer, by just a dad though. As for the glass, maybe a piece of formed plexi would work there. Or, a couple of pieces grafted in from real windshield center ends (could be salvaged from ones broken to the outside maybe??).
John Fleming
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| Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #237060 is a reply to message #236989] |
Wed, 22 January 2014 18:38 |
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Superior also widened Dodge vans for van conversion motorhomes. I remember seeing them on a dealer's lot back about 1968 to 1970. They widened the body 18". However, at first they didn't widen the track so they looked a bit scary with the wide body on the van chassis. Both sides stuck out 9" more than the regular van body. Later they modified the track to match the wider body.
I looked quickly at the internet and found a picture. I'm not sure what windshield they used but it works with the larger body. Probably from a Dodge truck.
http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/cc-outtake-the-very-wide-van/
Emery Stora
On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:13 AM, John Fleming <johnfleming@coldnorth.com> wrote:
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> Byron Songer wrote
>> Interesting thought. Nearly 30 years ago Superior Coach Company widened GMC vans for use as ambulances. They put glass in the center. For the rear door they put an extender on one door.
> Really?? I didn't know that. That is very interesting. And damnitalltohell... Giving me MORE ideas. STOP IT!! No, don't stop. I complain, but I LOVE it.
>
> Quote:
>> What are you going to do wth the point on the front end?
> That I have solved. Once split in two, graft in a complete new peak. Other than the actual window glass issue, the rest of the front, all the way from the lower valance to the nose, to the top of the windshield, to the back of the to section where it meets the rest of the roof... Would look exactly the same as if it hadn't been modified. It would be longer, by just a dad though. As for the glass, maybe a piece of formed plexi would work there. Or, a couple of pieces grafted in from real windshield center ends (could be salvaged from ones broken to the outside maybe??).
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #237216 is a reply to message #237060] |
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I remember those. I called them "pregnant guppies". The GMC ambulances had
a divided windshield, too. I just figured it was made for them instead of
taking something else off the rack.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
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>Superior also widened Dodge vans for van conversion motorhomes. I
>remember seeing them on a dealer's lot back about 1968 to 1970. They
>widened the body 18". However, at first they didn't widen the track so
>they looked a bit scary with the wide body on the van chassis. Both
>sides stuck out 9" more than the regular van body. Later they modified
>the track to match the wider body.
>I looked quickly at the internet and found a picture. I'm not sure what
>windshield they used but it works with the larger body. Probably from a
>Dodge truck.
>http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/cc-outtake-the-very-wide-van/
>
>Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #237217 is a reply to message #236989] |
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What are you drinking. Have you ever tried to cut tempered windshield
glass? You'd need something made for that purpose. However, in the
modeling world you can do whatever suits your fancy.
Six inches wider would add a lot more than one would imagine. Doing the
frame would be the easy part.
BTW, I did see the image.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
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>Byron Songer wrote
>> Interesting thought. Nearly 30 years ago Superior Coach Company widened
>>GMC vans for use as ambulances. They put glass in the center. For the
>>rear door they put an extender on one door.
>Really?? I didn't know that. That is very interesting. And
>damnitalltohell... Giving me MORE ideas. STOP IT!! No, don't stop. I
>complain, but I LOVE it.
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>Quote:
>> What are you going to do wth the point on the front end?
>That I have solved. Once split in two, graft in a complete new peak.
>Other than the actual window glass issue, the rest of the front, all the
>way from the lower valance to the nose, to the top of the windshield, to
>the back of the to section where it meets the rest of the roof... Would
>look exactly the same as if it hadn't been modified. It would be longer,
>by just a dad though. As for the glass, maybe a piece of formed plexi
>would work there. Or, a couple of pieces grafted in from real windshield
>center ends (could be salvaged from ones broken to the outside maybe??).
>
>--
>John Fleming
>Building my own GMC Motorhome from scratch. Problem is, it's only 1/25.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #237219 is a reply to message #237217] |
Thu, 23 January 2014 19:56 |
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Hi Byron
The windshield is not tempered, it's laminated. The glass guys cut laminated glass all the time. I watched them cut a new rear
window for my GMC from flat laminated glass.
Dave Mumert
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> What are you drinking. Have you ever tried to cut tempered windshield glass? You'd need something made for that purpose.
> However, in the modeling world you can do whatever suits your fancy.
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> Six inches wider would add a lot more than one would imagine. Doing the frame would be the easy part.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 96" to 102" width stretch?? [message #237259 is a reply to message #237219] |
Fri, 24 January 2014 09:08 |
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Why not just widen the house and leave the cab stock width?
there is no need to mess with the cab, and a LOT of side effects.
Just cut behind the cab windows and make a filler panel.
She's be a fat bottom girl and I think it would look great.
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Why not just insert a "wedge", so the front (and steering, suspension and cockpit don't change), and the rear gets wider? It would be pretty subtle, and other than having to realign the bogies (so they're not pigeon-toed) you'd be doing a lot less violence to the rest of the coach than if you cut the whole thing in half stem to stern. OTOH, you'd probably run into a lot of things with the "big butt" until you got used to leaving a few extra inches of clearance.
It DOES strike me that widening a GMC is one of those things that would be possible only if one had an unlimited amount of money and/or time though... and a WHOLE lot of grief to go through for six inches of interior space. I suspect that it would be easier to install slides in the key areas where you really needed the extra room, and that wouldn't make the rig any more difficult to fit through tight spaces. Plus, you could get far more than an extra 6" of width.
BTW, I really don't like slides, but as long as we're talking about hypothetical, impossible upgrades, why not?
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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