| Need measurements of the following please. [message #236712] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 10:19  |
Ultravan Owners
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I would not need this information if I was out west with the GMC tha tI will be buying.
However, I'm here and the GMC along with my 2 boats are in CA.
I want to fly out there in July and I only have a week to get the boats ready to haul back east.
Can someone please give me the measurements of the following?
1) The size of the opening (all measurements) once the center of the end cap has been removed?
2) The inside measurements of the coach (1973 if it make a difference) without any interior? (I need to know where the rear wheel wells will be? How tall they are? How much floor space they take up? How much height or sapce is available above the rear wheel wells? And how long it is from the back of the front seats to the rear (inside) of the coach? I need to figure out if I can get one of the boats in the picture to fit inside a 73 GMC.) IF NOT I need to figure out another way to get 2 of them and a GMC home at the same time.
3) What do you have to do to remove the rear end cap? (I'm willing to remove the end cap; in the case that the boat will not fit inside the coach by only removing the center end cap.)
I need this information because I am trying to see if I can haul 2 boats and trailers back home with a 73 GMC. I want to place one boat inside the coach and tow (2) trailers and one boat behind the GMC.
Yes - I plan to mount the one boat and trailer on top of the other boat's trailer. I have my fingers crossed that the one boat will (hopefully) fit inside the coach.
Thank you for your help and time.
Silly me forgot picture and link.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/miscellaneous-pictures/p52126-wayne-100-boat-with-ai.html
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: Need measurements of the following please. [message #236720 is a reply to message #236712] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 10:48  |
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Tony,
I can't help with the measurements, but I'm curious if you got your tire and wheel issue resolved.
If not, you can email PM me- I may be able to help.
Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
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| Re: Need measurements of the following please. [message #236724 is a reply to message #236712] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 11:05 |
Johnnycrash
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| Ultravan Owners wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 11:19 |
1) The size of the opening (all measurements) once the center of the end cap has been removed?
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The opening is 64.5" tall, and 67" wide (at it's smallest).
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2) The inside measurements of the coach (1973 if it make a difference) without any interior?
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From the rear of the front seats, to the rear of the coach is ~19' (~228") with a little wiggle room. The height of the wells are 18" off the floor. The width between the wells is 62". The wells are ~75" long. The front of the wells start at ~8'9" (~105") from the rear of the front seats, and leaves you ~48" behind them.
John Fleming
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Building my own GMC Motorhome from scratch. Problem is, it's only 1/25.
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| Re: Need measurements of the following please. [message #236728 is a reply to message #236712] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 11:47 |
Ultravan Owners
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Johnny Thank you!
I just got off the phone with my friend in Tuolumne, Ca where the boats are.
When he has time he and I will go over the measurements to see if we can get one boat inside the GMC.
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: Need measurements of the following please. [message #236734 is a reply to message #236728] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 12:49 |
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| Ultravan Owners wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 09:47 |
Johnny Thank you!
I just got off the phone with my friend in Tuolumne, Ca where the boats are.
When he has time he and I will go over the measurements to see if we can get one boat inside the GMC.
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How much does the boat that you plan to put inside weigh? With the boat, you, fuel, etc and towing a boat on a trailer on a trailer, you might be pushing the weight limit of the GMC, and the ability of a 40 year old transmission to move it all (at least very far). The last thing you need is to be sitting in the middle of Arizona with a burned out transmission. Also you could be at risk for blowing airbags, especially if they are old or of unknown condition.
Be safe and check it out.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: Need measurements of the following please. [message #236736 is a reply to message #236712] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 13:30 |
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Thank you Espen. That is good to know what I might be up against if I am not able to get the boat to fit in the back by simply removing the center part.
David thanks for the input as well. I do plan to change all fuilds and filters, belts and hoses before I hit the road.
And I have already located some used spare air bags for when I hit the road.
BTW - IF an air bag does blow out - can it cause any damage?
Anyways My thought was:
1) I am gutting the coach = less weight to start with.
(EDIT – I will be keeping the appliances and getting rid of all the cabinets. Once I know for sure that the boat will fit I will post a link in the swap meet section - Should anyone be looking for cabinets.)
2) I would not be carrying any water at all. And an RV is use to hauling water around at what 6 lbs per gal.
BTW - how many gals does a GMC water tank hold?
3) I also have the option of only fill the gas tank half way = less weight.
Please keep this info coming.
I know nothing about the GMC and as my good friend would tell me: "TONY you can use all the help you can get." 
I told my good friend in CA that we had 4" of fresh snow this morning and he told me: Thats nice you keep it. It is in the 60's here and I'm getting ready to head out on my motorcycle to go visit some friends.  Some friend... 
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: Need measurements of the following please. [message #236737 is a reply to message #236736] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 13:42 |
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| Ultravan Owners wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 11:30 |
And I have already located some used spare air bags for when I hit the road.
BTW - IF an air bag does blow out - can it cause any damage?
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If you blow and airbag you will pretty much have the tail end sitting on the ground. If you have skirts the tires will likely hit them. Your blackwater tank might also hit the ground. You should be able to creep off the road but be sure and carry either good spare airbags or one of the temporary fixes (4x4, all thread and pipe, etc.) AND the tools to install it.
I would also suggest getting AAA RV towing insurance. It's really pretty cheap considering what a single tow could cost you. And have the blacklist handy and the Jims on speed dial.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: [GMCnet] Need measurements of the following please. [message #236741 is a reply to message #236739] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 14:05 |
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? Have no idea what any of that means ?
| Mr ERFisher wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:51 |
install apc cables
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On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Tony <Ultravanman248@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Thank you Espen. That is good to know what I might be up against if I am
> not able to get the boat to fit in the back by simply removing the center
> part.
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> David thanks for the input as well. I do plan to change all fuilds and
> filters, belts and hoses before I hit the road.
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> And I have already located some used spare air bags for when I hit the
> road.
> BTW - IF an air bag does blow out - can it cause any damage?
> Anyways My thought was:
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> 1) I am gutting the coach = less weight to start with.
>
> 2) I would not be carrying any water at all. And an RV is use to hauling
> water around at what 6 lbs per gal.
> BTW - how many gals does a GMC water tank hold?
> 3) I also have the option of only fill the gas tank half way = less weight.
>
> Please keep this info coming.
> I know nothing about the GMC and as my good friend would tell me: "TONY
> you can use all the help you can get."
>
> I told my good friend in CA that we had 4" of fresh snow this morning and
> he told me: Thats nice you keep it. It is in the 60's here and I'm getting
> ready to head out on my motorcycle to go visit some friends. Some
> friend...
>
> --
> Tony (Ontario Canada) Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance
> to buy our farm. Someday I hope to build the garage of my dreams. We have
> 4 Ultravans & 2 Corvairs. Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455
> in back.
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Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: Need measurements of the following please. [message #236744 is a reply to message #236736] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 14:15 |
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| Ultravan Owners wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:30 |
Thank you Espen. That is good to know what I might be up against if I am not able to get the boat to fit in the back by simply removing the center part.
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Espen is referring to the center part. The entire end cap is glued on and will have other fasteners.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
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| Re: Need measurements of the following please. [message #236746 is a reply to message #236744] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 14:19 |
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| midlf wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 15:15 |
| Ultravan Owners wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:30 |
Thank you Espen. That is good to know what I might be up against if I am not able to get the boat to fit in the back by simply removing the center part.
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Espen is referring to the center part. The entire end cap is glued on and will have other fasteners.
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OH Okay. Thanks Steve.
Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Need measurements of the following please. [message #236747 is a reply to message #236737] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 14:19 |
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Is it possible for Canadians to get AAA insurance?
When I toured the Great Britain and Scotland back in 1971, we bought membership in their AA (Automobile Association) for protection at the entry point.
For the AAA RV insurance to be fully in effect, you must have had it for at least 10 days. That waiting period MAY be even longer than that.
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Need measurements of the following please.
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> Ultravan Owners wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 11:30
> > And I have already located some used spare air bags for when I hit the road.
> > BTW - IF an air bag does blow out - can it cause any damage?
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> If you blow and airbag you will pretty much have the tail end sitting on the ground. If you have skirts the tires will likely hit them. Your blackwater tank might also hit the ground. You should be able to creep off the road but be sure and carry either good spare airbags or one of the temporary fixes (4x4, all thread and pipe, etc.) AND the tools to install it.
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> I would also suggest getting AAA RV towing insurance. It's really pretty cheap considering what a single tow could cost you. And have the blacklist handy and the Jims on speed dial.
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> --
> 1976 Royale "Twinkie II", 1978 Palm Beach with front end fire. Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: [GMCnet] Need measurements of the following please. [message #236756 is a reply to message #236746] |
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Tony,
Click on the link below and find the copy of the Parts Book 78Z
http://www.bdub.net/factory-manuals.html
Download it and turn to page 23-6. There you will find figure 23-10 Rear Cap, Pillar, and Panel.
The Rear Cap is made up of four sections Cap Assy (1ea), Pillar Assy (2ea), Brace (1). They are bonded to each other and the forward
part of the coach with epoxy and would be EXTREMELY difficult to remove without damage.
The Panel is retained with Phillips head screws. As noted in another email removing them is difficult. I got them out by using a
3/8" drive impact wrench. The technique is critical! You need to squeeze the trigger on the impact wrench slowly and let it come to
speed slowly. By doing this you impart lots of impacts before you impart a lot of torque. Imparting too much torque will result in
stripping the screw heads (I stripped two) and then you've got a REAL mess on your hands. The screws are weird, JimB sells a kit to
replace the screws with Stainless Steel screws and an "adapter."
Then there's the Elephant in the room. There are a heap of wires for both the chassis (running, brake, turn and licence plate
lights) and house that wrap around the rear of the coach. They go through holes in the plastic reinforcements in the rear panel and
are covered with spray foam. You're going to have to cut each one of them at both ends and to reconnect them you're going to have
splice in wire.
The reason I've explained this to make you aware that removing the rear panel isn't a quick job.
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie
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| Re: [GMCnet] Need measurements of the following please. [message #236792 is a reply to message #236736] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 18:02 |
Ken Henderson
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Tony.
You need to be sure you have along a VERY low jack capable of lifting the
rear of the coach. If you blow an air bag, the chassis will be too near
the ground for any bottle jack I've seen. Even if you have a "jack hook"
(which fits into a hole into the bottom of the bogie to allow use of a
bottle jack on the outside of the bogie), its jacking surface will be too
near the ground for a jack to fit beneath it. A shovel might be useful.
Generally, it's necessary to use the low jack under the frame forward of
the middle wheels to get the bogie high enough to allow use of the jack
hook. If you're pulling a heavy trailer, you may have to disconnect that
for that procedure to work.
Further, if you blow an air bag on the '73, the tires will hit, and
probably damage, the top of the wheel well (later models have "humps" to
clear the tires).
Also, there's a good chance that the shocks, or their mounting studs, will
be damaged, especially if you have the coach overloaded with the boat(s).
Regardless of the weight of the trailer you need to haul the boats, I'm
convinced you'd be better off than trying to open up and use the interior
of the coach.
However, if the trailer is very heavy, positioning 10% of its weight on the
back of the GMC will seriously affect the handling -- you'll lighten the
front wheel load too much, sacrificing both steering control and traction.
An equalizing hitch would probably be necessary. Even without that
feature, you need to be very sure that the hitch can transfer the load into
the main chassis of the coach -- don't depend on the bumper to bear much
vertical load.
JWIT,
Ken H.
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Tony wrote:
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> And I have already located some used spare air bags for when I hit the
> road.
> BTW - IF an air bag does blow out - can it cause any damage?
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