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Sat, 18 January 2014 19:57  |
Johnnycrash
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Hey all,
New guy here.
My name is John Fleming, and I live in Timmins, Ontario, Canada. And yes, it's cold here. 
I do not own now, or foresee myself owning a GMC Motorhome any time soon. That makes me sad, but what can you do??
I am a scale model builder. Not just as a hobby, but it's what I do for a living. I design, and manufacture scale kits. I do mostly Sci-Fi, but am working on a long line of 1/25 trucks, and truck accessories, as well as campers, including some Slide-Ins.
One of my Sci-Fi projects is the EM-50 (in 1/25) from the 1981 Bill Murry flick "Stripes". Of course, it was a converted GMC 260. I am also a fan of the basic MH, as well. The fact that they cross paths in this great movie is a real bonus.
My plan is to develop kits for the stock 230 and 260. Some of the parts you could rearrange to make the variation of the rear placed washroom. And then from the basic parts and a few add-ons, do a fictional (but converted in the real world) 290, or a 320. And for fun, also do the proposed trailer. With the basic parts, you can make a 18' or a 21' (w/o the tongue).
After all that rambling... I need help. I do not have access to a real MH. All my work to date has been based on info gathered from the net. Some good stuff, but not enough to do what I want to do. I am hoping that the members here could, and would be willing to, help out with info. I have a thousand questions, and then some more. I want to get it as close, and right, as possible.
So, have I come to the right place?? Or have I invaded your space??
John Fleming
http://www.coldnorth.com/johnnycrash/MMI/GMCMH
Building my own GMC Motorhome from scratch. Problem is, it's only 1/25.
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| Re: New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236559 is a reply to message #236557] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 20:25  |
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(Hmmm, scale model builder, eh? Might be handy some day.)
>So, have I come to the right place?? Or have I invaded your space??
Come on in, you're fine John. Just keep talking about Stripes. Well, maybe not, I'm getting pretty tired of all the Ebay and Craigslist ads saying "JUST like the Urban Assault Vehicle is Stripes!" heh heh.
You've found the dimensional drawings yet?
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236560 is a reply to message #236557] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 20:30 |
kelvin
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Oh man... did you come to the right place.
Those will sell like hotcakes. I'd have to build a couple and put a
couple away... just because.
Kelvin
'73 23' in Eugene, OR
On 1/18/2014 5:57 PM, John Fleming wrote:
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> Hey all,
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> New guy here.
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> My name is John Fleming, and I live in Timmins, Ontario, Canada. And yes, it's cold here. :?
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> I do not own now, or foresee myself owning a GMC Motorhome any time soon. That makes me sad, but what can you do??
>
> I am a scale model builder. Not just as a hobby, but it's what I do for a living. I design, and manufacture scale kits. I do mostly Sci-Fi, but am working on a long line of 1/25 trucks, and truck accessories, as well as campers, including some Slide-Ins.
>
> One of my Sci-Fi projects is the EM-50 (in 1/25) from the 1981 Bill Murry flick "Stripes". Of course, it was a converted GMC 260. I am also a fan of the basic MH, as well. The fact that they cross paths in this great movie is a real bonus.
>
> My plan is to develop kits for the stock 230 and 260. Some of the parts you could rearrange to make the variation of the rear placed washroom. And then from the basic parts and a few add-ons, do a fictional (but converted in the real world) 290, or a 320. And for fun, also do the proposed trailer. With the basic parts, you can make a 18' or a 21' (w/o the tongue).
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> After all that rambling... I need help. I do not have access to a real MH. All my work to date has been based on info gathered from the net. Some good stuff, but not enough to do what I want to do. I am hoping that the members here could, and would be willing to, help out with info. I have a thousand questions, and then some more. I want to get it as close, and right, as possible.
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> So, have I come to the right place?? Or have I invaded your space??
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| Re: New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236561 is a reply to message #236559] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 20:43 |
Ken Burton
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Anyone with a GMC MH interest is welcome here. We have other non- owners and even some people that own other brands that are still interested in GMCs that hang around here.
So welcome
We have quite a few GMCs in Ontario. I looked to see where you are. You are up north there quite a ways and I know of none that far north in Ontario. Maybe some of the Ontario people will respond with ideas. Obviously most of them reside withing 100 miles of the southern border. There are a couple farther north than you. Unfortunately they are in Manitoba, Alberta, and BC so that does does not help.
Hang around here and someone will pipe in with some good ideas for you.
Again Welcome, have a seat and stay awhile.
Ken B.
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236565 is a reply to message #236557] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 21:20 |
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USAussie
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John,
You could by this Barbie GMC on eBay for the basic shape:
http://tinyurl.com/ku3wrk8
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mattel-Vintage-1976-Barbie-Star-Traveler-RV-Bus-GMC-Motorhome-/141167534078?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=it
em20de3d9ffe#ht_82wt_922
As far as scaling the measurements there's a set of drawings floating around somewhere that you use.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fleming
Hey all,
New guy here.
My name is John Fleming, and I live in Timmins, Ontario, Canada. And yes, it's cold here. :?
I do not own now, or foresee myself owning a GMC Motorhome any time soon. That makes me sad, but what can you do??
I am a scale model builder. Not just as a hobby, but it's what I do for a living. I design, and manufacture scale kits. I do mostly
Sci-Fi, but am working on a long line of 1/25 trucks, and truck accessories, as well as campers, including some Slide-Ins.
One of my Sci-Fi projects is the EM-50 (in 1/25) from the 1981 Bill Murry flick "Stripes". Of course, it was a converted GMC 260. I
am also a fan of the basic MH, as well. The fact that they cross paths in this great movie is a real bonus.
My plan is to develop kits for the stock 230 and 260. Some of the parts you could rearrange to make the variation of the rear placed
washroom. And then from the basic parts and a few add-ons, do a fictional (but converted in the real world) 290, or a 320. And for
fun, also do the proposed trailer. With the basic parts, you can make a 18' or a 21' (w/o the tongue).
After all that rambling... I need help. I do not have access to a real MH. All my work to date has been based on info gathered from
the net. Some good stuff, but not enough to do what I want to do. I am hoping that the members here could, and would be willing to,
help out with info. I have a thousand questions, and then some more. I want to get it as close, and right, as possible.
So, have I come to the right place?? Or have I invaded your space??
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| Re: New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236567 is a reply to message #236557] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 21:28 |
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John, google hess training van, GMC, to see what they did to model the GMC Motorhome. I also believe there are some pretty good renderings floating around.
Would love to see some of your work...this is a great place, grab some coffee and start reading.
Sean and Stephanie
73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
Hubler 1-Ton, Quad-Bags, Rear Disc, Reaction Arms, P.Huber TBs, 3.70:1 LSD Honda 6500 inverter gen.
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236571 is a reply to message #236567] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 21:30 |
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Sean,
You're right I just looked at mine and it has MUCH better exterior detail than the Barbie models!
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Kidd
John, google hess training van, GMC, to see what they did to model the GMC Motorhome. I also believe there are some pretty good
renderings floating around.
Would love to see some of your work...this is a great place, grab some coffee and start reading.
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| Re: New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236575 is a reply to message #236557] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 21:41 |
Johnnycrash
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Thank you all for the very warm welcome. 
rcjordan
"JUST like the Urban Assault Vehicle in Stripes!". Oh yeah, I get that. I have seen that too many times, and it makes me laugh.
And yes, I found the drawings. Some issues with those, they just don't add up right. And the ones I got are small. When blown up to scale, the line thickness is like a 3rd of an inch. Not so bad with a single line, but the error it introduces adds up fast.
Kelvin Dietz
I really do hope they sell well. They will be for the advanced modeler. These are not your regular plastic kits, they are made from polyurethane resin. You need superglue to put them together. I am thinking of offering a build service for these. Not cheap of course, and will be a complete custom build thing. But that's for WAY down the road. I still have a crap load of R&D to do.
Ken Burton
I am way up there in the frozen wastelands know as Northern Ontario. I had a look at the registry, nothing near me. Oh well. That's OK. I never know what info I will need. And not having one available full time is a pain. But getting a little face time with one would be nice, even if it was for a short while.
Robert Mueller
Basic shape indeed.  Sorry Robert, there is NOTHING useful there. Interesting, and fun (if you have a little girl), but other than that... A better bet is the HESS training van toy. It's still not right, but a lot closer. It is 1/25 scale though. It's a 260 squished lengthwise to a 230. Oops! I have 7 of them. Way ahead of you SeanKidd 
I was going to start with the HESS van. But after looking at all the changes needed to make it right, it would be easier to start from scratch. So, I need to work up a complete set of drawings to work off of. A set that work.
John Fleming
http://www.coldnorth.com/johnnycrash/MMI/GMCMH
Building my own GMC Motorhome from scratch. Problem is, it's only 1/25.
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| Re: New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236576 is a reply to message #236557] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 21:45 |
bryant374
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Welcome Jphn,
To make sure you know what models of a GMC Motorhome already exist, here is what is already available:
Barbies GMC Motorhome, ~3' long, poor replication of actual design, great toy.
Hess Training van ~1' long, very good body shape replication.
HotWheels, ~70 different versions of the GMC MH, a new one just came out that is called "Stripes".
The body dimensional drawings you now have will give you the exact shape. The models listed above can all be found on ebay.
Bill Bryant
PO 1976~PB (owned 34 years)
1914 Ford (owned 70 years)
1965 Corvette (owned 39 years)
GMC Motorhome History
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| Re: New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236577 is a reply to message #236557] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 21:47 |
rcjordan
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John, do you work a model up in cad? Sketchup, perhaps?
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
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76 Eleganza
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| Re: New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236580 is a reply to message #236577] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 21:58 |
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| rcjordan wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 22:47 |
John, do you work a model up in cad? Sketchup, perhaps?
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Yeah. I do all my drawings in CorelDRAW 6.0 in 1/1, and then, if need be, create a computer model in TrueSpace 4.0. From there, I have the parts grown (3D printed).
bryant374
The body dimensional drawings are not exact. In many places, they seem to be wrong. The numbers given, don't add up the the drawings they are on. Makes it difficult to get it right. That's why I'm here.
John Fleming
http://www.coldnorth.com/johnnycrash/MMI/GMCMH
Building my own GMC Motorhome from scratch. Problem is, it's only 1/25.
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236585 is a reply to message #236580] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 23:58 |
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John,
Those drawings were created by a GMC owner NOT GMC. I have never seen any manufacturing drawings from GMC. The only guy that might
have seen them would be Bill Bryant.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fleming
rcjordan wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 22:47
> John, do you work a model up in cad? Sketchup, perhaps?
Yeah. I do all my drawings in CorelDRAW 6.0 in 1/1, and then, if need be, create a computer model in TrueSpace 4.0. From there, I
have the parts grown (3D printed).
bryant374
The body dimensional drawings are not exact. In many places, they seem to be wrong. The numbers given, don't add up the the drawings
they are on. Makes it difficult to get it right. That's why I'm here.
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236594 is a reply to message #236565] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 07:46 |
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John,
Welcome to the environment of sometimes friendly and sometimes less so
people. But, it's a good environment just the same. It's also something to
get used to.
You're not the first to want to do a scale model of the GMC. I worked with a
guy in California that went to the trouble to do some new drawings in hopes
that a model builder would "catch the dream". He sent me is the CAD
renderings of the finished views (with skin on).
You can communicate with me offnet if you'd like with bsonger at
songerconsulting dot net for the email address.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
Robert Mueller wrote:
> From: John Fleming
>
> Hey all,
>
> New guy here.
>
> My name is John Fleming, and I live in Timmins, Ontario, Canada. And yes, it's
> cold here. :?
>
> I do not own now, or foresee myself owning a GMC Motorhome any time soon. That
> makes me sad, but what can you do??
>
> I am a scale model builder. Not just as a hobby, but it's what I do for a
> living. I design, and manufacture scale kits. I do mostly
> Sci-Fi, but am working on a long line of 1/25 trucks, and truck accessories,
> as well as campers, including some Slide-Ins.
>
> One of my Sci-Fi projects is the EM-50 (in 1/25) from the 1981 Bill Murry
> flick "Stripes". Of course, it was a converted GMC 260. I
> am also a fan of the basic MH, as well. The fact that they cross paths in this
> great movie is a real bonus.
>
> My plan is to develop kits for the stock 230 and 260. Some of the parts you
> could rearrange to make the variation of the rear placed
> washroom. And then from the basic parts and a few add-ons, do a fictional (but
> converted in the real world) 290, or a 320. And for
> fun, also do the proposed trailer. With the basic parts, you can make a 18' or
> a 21' (w/o the tongue).
>
> After all that rambling... I need help. I do not have access to a real MH. All
> my work to date has been based on info gathered from
> the net. Some good stuff, but not enough to do what I want to do. I am hoping
> that the members here could, and would be willing to,
> help out with info. I have a thousand questions, and then some more. I want to
> get it as close, and right, as possible.
>
> So, have I come to the right place?? Or have I invaded your space??
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236607 is a reply to message #236557] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 09:46 |
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Join the nearest rally as a visitor and simply ask.
--johnny
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From: John Fleming <johnfleming@coldnorth.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 8:57 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :(
Hey all,
New guy here.
My name is John Fleming, and I live in Timmins, Ontario, Canada. And yes, it's cold here. :?
I do not own now, or foresee myself owning a GMC Motorhome any time soon. That makes me sad, but what can you do??
I am a scale model builder. Not just as a hobby, but it's what I do for a living. I design, and manufacture scale kits. I do mostly Sci-Fi, but am working on a long line of 1/25 trucks, and truck accessories, as well as campers, including some Slide-Ins.
One of my Sci-Fi projects is the EM-50 (in 1/25) from the 1981 Bill Murry flick "Stripes". Of course, it was a converted GMC 260. I am also a fan of the basic MH, as well. The fact that they cross paths in this great movie is a real bonus.
My plan is to develop kits for the stock 230 and 260. Some of the parts you could rearrange to make the variation of the rear placed washroom. And then from the basic parts and a few add-ons, do a fictional (but converted in the real world) 290, or a 320. And for fun, also do the proposed trailer. With the basic parts, you can make a 18' or a 21' (w/o the tongue).
After all that rambling... I need help. I do not have access to a real MH. All my work to date has been based on info gathered from the net. Some good stuff, but not enough to do what I want to do. I am hoping that the members here could, and would be willing to, help out with info. I have a thousand questions, and then some more. I want to get it as close, and right, as possible.
So, have I come to the right place?? Or have I invaded your space??
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| Re: New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236612 is a reply to message #236580] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 10:06 |
bryant374
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Robert Mueller
John,
Those drawings were created by a GMC owner NOT GMC. I have never seen any manufacturing drawings from GMC. The only guy that might
have seen them would be Bill Bryant.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fleming
rcjordan wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 22:47
> John, do you work a model up in cad? Sketchup, perhaps?
Yeah. I do all my drawings in CorelDRAW 6.0 in 1/1, and then, if need be, create a computer model in TrueSpace 4.0. From there, I
have the parts grown (3D printed).
bryant374
The body dimensional drawings are not exact. In many places, they seem to be wrong. The numbers given, don't add up the the drawings they are on. Makes it difficult to get it right. That's why I'm here.
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John,
Here are more details:
Your comment on "dimensional drawings not exact", some background on these drawings:
I have copies of 2 GMC issued documents,
1. "Preliminary data of Transmode Commercial Vehicle Body Builders Drawings and Supporting Data", undated but referencing the 11,700 GVW version.
2. "Commercial TransMode Vehicle Body Builders Drawings and Supporting Data". Published October 1974.
There was considerable revision in the text but I found no changes in the drawings between these two versions.
The body builder drawings appear to be the same as the Boyd Mooney drawings on the bdub site noted in an earlier message.
The purpose of this document was to provide upfitters of TransModes with body structure dimensions to enable them to build interiors for the GMC Transmode.
I neglected to note one other GMC MH model that has been made:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/the-bill-bryant-collection/p1621.html
This is a 1/16 scale fiberglass model made by GMC for key personnel usually as a retirement gift (several were made). The original mold was used that made the model used for Cd studies at the Gugenheim Wind Tunnel facility in Calif.
Bill Bryant
PO 1976~PB (owned 34 years)
1914 Ford (owned 70 years)
1965 Corvette (owned 39 years)
GMC Motorhome History
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| Re: New Guy here - w/o a GMC MH :( [message #236621 is a reply to message #236612] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 11:24 |
Johnnycrash
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I was aware that the drawings available where "fan" made. No disrespect intended. He's done some great work there (that's Boyd Mooney right??). But for my mind, they are not "accurate" enough. Although, by the time I am done building in 1/25, the differences probably work out to nothing. Just knowing my data/drawings are not right is a real pain for me. I can't seem to let that stuff go. Yes, I have issues.  It slows projects down really badly sometimes. Like I could just cut up a couple of the HESS vans, and make a "good" looking version pretty quickly. 99.9% of the people looking at it wouldn't notice what was wrong. But *I* would know, and it would bug the living hell out of me. Like the slope of the entire front end. Not having a MH at hand, maybe the drawings are right, and I am just misinterpreting the data. It's been know to happen. But not often. 
bryant374
Thanks for the details Bill. So, are you saying that there ARE factory drawings, and you have copies?? If so, how does one go about getting said drawings??
I had seen images of that larger model. Looks pretty good. Would be nice to have for reference, being from the factory, it's probably pretty accurate. At that scale, it's just crying out for a full interior though. A shame it's just a Slammer. (for those that might not know, in the scale modeling world - Curb Side = model vehicle with no engine, as the hood is closed anyway, Slammer = model vehicle with no engine/interior, therefore the windows are painted out, usually black)
Mr ERFisher
Thanks for the links. But yeah, seen them. I have, as far as I can tell, found, and followed, every link out there. And then every link on those links. But hey, I'll take them. I am sure I have missed some good stuff out there.
Johnny Bridges
Joining up with a rally is a great idea. Unfortunately, I am at least an 8 hour drive from anywhere there MIGHT be a rally. But if I get the opportunity, I will surely take it.
John Fleming
http://www.coldnorth.com/johnnycrash/MMI/GMCMH
Building my own GMC Motorhome from scratch. Problem is, it's only 1/25.
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