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RF_Burns
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I took a few more pics of the progress on The Murray's new home this weekend. Progress has slowed with the Holidays and the bitter cold with high winds this past week.
Not sure why the guy who did the drawings made the back left roof line so complicated.
Blizzard today so likely not much happening for the next day or so.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6483-the-murray-gets-a-home.html
Bruce Hislop
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| Re: A few more pics of Murray's Mansion [message #235256 is a reply to message #235222] |
Mon, 06 January 2014 12:22  |
rcjordan
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>roof line so complicated
I think he mixed a gable with a hip to get the clearance he needed for the tall (12 ft ??) door. Looks good.
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| Re: A few more pics of Murray's Mansion [message #235297 is a reply to message #235222] |
Mon, 06 January 2014 18:30 |
rcjordan
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>2x6 walls required
It isn't required by code here in coastal NC but I used them for the high R, in part to compensate for all the glass, when building my home during the 80s. The ROI has been good.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] A few more pics of Murray's Mansion [message #235313 is a reply to message #235306] |
Mon, 06 January 2014 21:51 |
Carl S.
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Rob,
2 X 6 exterior wall construction has been the standard in the Southwest since the '70s. The concept started out with the studs at 24" centers and a single top plate, but was soon replaced by more conventional 16" centers and double top plates.
Those DIY construction "reality shows" are ruining the construction business in my opinion. People, who don't know any better are getting the impression that you can do almost anything, on a shoestring budget, in a two or three day timeframe. I recently received an email 'lead' from someone who wanted to do a complete kitchen remodel: New cabinets, granite counter tops, new fixtures and appliances, and new flooring. The budget was $15,000.00. Seriously????
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] A few more pics of Murray's Mansion [message #235315 is a reply to message #235313] |
Mon, 06 January 2014 22:11 |
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USAussie
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Carl,
I don't watch any of the other DIY construction shows as most of them are BS as you noted.
I like Mike Holmes because he shows what shonky builders do to rip off clients. I agree with Bruce that Mike's methods are "as good
as it gets" which results in renos that are seriously high dollar. The people that get their houses redone are REALLY fortunate.
As far as the lead you received I think it came from someone that was looking for something for nothing. When those come along you
could tell them that you build quality kitchens and there is no way you could meet that budget. Tell the "lead" if they did find
someone to renovate their kitchen for $15,000 they'd better have a contract that specified everything in detail and to check the
contractors references.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Stouffer
Rob,
2 X 6 exterior wall construction has been the standard in the Southwest since the '70s. The concept started out with the studs at
24" centers and a single top plate, but was soon replaced by more conventional 16" centers and double top plates.
Those DIY construction "reality shows" are ruining the construction business in my opinion. People, who don't know any better are
getting the impression that you can do almost anything, on a shoestring budget, in a two or three day timeframe. I recently
received an email 'lead' from someone who wanted to do a complete kitchen remodel: New cabinets, granite counter tops, new fixtures
and appliances, and new flooring. The budget was $15,000.00. Seriously????
--
Carl
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| Re: [GMCnet] A few more pics of Murray's Mansion [message #235323 is a reply to message #235293] |
Mon, 06 January 2014 23:35 |
sgltrac
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2x6 standard in Seattle these days.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 4:01 PM, "Robert Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
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> Bruce,
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> I've never heard or seen 2 x 6" stud walls before, from what you note regarding the bungalow its common practice in Canada.
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> Re Mike Holmes goes I can understand that but regardless of the budget there is a right way and a wrong way to do "stuff." I have
> seen some high dollar renos that were done wrong. The one that comes to mind is a house that was infested with termites and one of
> the main walls were built on dirt - no foundation.
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> The Mike's Garage is a business any you can't compare it to Murray's home! ;-)
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> Jay Leno is a MULTI MILLIONARE and can afford whatever he wants; however, a lot of the cars he has are investments that will
> appreciate over time so his "hobby" is a business kinda - sorta too.
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Hislop
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> Yes they are 2x6, and my bungalow home was the same when it was built.. 2x4 on inner walls. More insulation in the outer walls I'm
> guessing...its -15 here right now.
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> A lot of my builder clients are not big Mike Holmes fans. He takes a botched up skinny budget reno and redoes it with unlimited
> budget.
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> Maybe I'll get lucky and Mike will come finish my garage for me...
> "This is no good.. it all has to come down!"
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> And he will build me something a bit more suitable.. like this guy's garage....
>
> http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147690
> (you have to go through a few pages so see what it becomes... he must have deep pockets like Jay Leno)
>
> https://www.facebook.com/MarksMonsterGarage
> --
> Bruce
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| Re: [GMCnet] A few more pics of Murray's Mansion [message #235444 is a reply to message #235313] |
Tue, 07 January 2014 22:08 |
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The house in which I lived during my high school years was built using 2x6 studs and basically one size larger than the usual everywhere. Home builder built for his own use and Dad bought it after builder's wife divorced him. We had lower gas heating bills than everybody else whose houses were "standard" fare in the snowbelt of far western NY state!
Mac in OKC
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> On Jan 6, 2014, at 21:51, "Carl Stouffer" <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Rob,
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> 2 X 6 exterior wall construction has been the standard in the Southwest since the '70s. The concept started out with the studs at 24" centers and a single top plate, but was soon replaced by more conventional 16" centers and double top plates.
>
> Those DIY construction "reality shows" are ruining the construction business in my opinion. People, who don't know any better are getting the impression that you can do almost anything, on a shoestring budget, in a two or three day timeframe. I recently received an email 'lead' from someone who wanted to do a complete kitchen remodel: New cabinets, granite counter tops, new fixtures and appliances, and new flooring. The budget was $15,000.00. Seriously????
> --
> Carl S.
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: A few more pics of Murray's Mansion [message #235476 is a reply to message #235222] |
Wed, 08 January 2014 09:45 |
kerry pinkerton
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Wife and I BUILT our Alabama home in 84. We did about 90-95% of all work ourselves. 2x6 studs were not available at the time and neither was millwork (doors/windows) sized for the deeper walls. The additional cost would have been considerable and the payback was in the order of 25 years so we went with 2x4's on 16" with a good R-Max sheathing and put R54 insulation in the ceiling. Now 2x6 studs and millwork are more common down here but the payback is still WAAAAAY out there.
Studs on 24 is legal down here because we basically have no snow load to worry about and if the house gets hit by a tornado it won't care anyway. The main problem with 24" OC is that sheathing can get wavy and may show up if you have siding. The norm in construction however is 2x4 studs 16" OC. Frequently on even high end houses with trusses on 24s (the norm here because of the lack of snow load), you can see the droop in the OSB between trusses.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: [GMCnet] A few more pics of Murray's Mansion [message #235485 is a reply to message #235476] |
Wed, 08 January 2014 11:31 |
bdub
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We built our own home in the Texas panhandle in '85 w 2x6 - 16oc exterior
walls. Only cost the equivilent of another top plate. We did have to cut
our own studs but wasn't that big a deal. Mill work was diy also. Again,
no biggie when you diy. It was worth every penny in energy savings.
No waves on our 2x4 - 24oc roof trusses either. Sheathed w 1x12 lumber.
bdub
On Jan 8, 2014 9:45 AM, "Kerry Pinkerton" <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com> wrote:
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> Wife and I BUILT our Alabama home in 84. We did about 90-95% of all work
> ourselves. 2x6 studs were not available at the time and neither was
> millwork (doors/windows) sized for the deeper walls. The additional cost
> would have been considerable and the payback was in the order of 25 years
> so we went with 2x4's on 16" with a good R-Max sheathing and put R54
> insulation in the ceiling. Now 2x6 studs and millwork are more common down
> here but the payback is still WAAAAAY out there.
>
> Studs on 24 is legal down here because we basically have no snow load to
> worry about and if the house gets hit by a tornado it won't care anyway.
> The main problem with 24" OC is that sheathing can get wavy and may show
> up if you have siding. The norm in construction however is 2x4 studs 16"
> OC. Frequently on even high end houses with trusses on 24s (the norm here
> because of the lack of snow load), you can see the droop in the OSB between
> trusses.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
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| Re: [GMCnet] A few more pics of Murray's Mansion [message #235513 is a reply to message #235476] |
Wed, 08 January 2014 15:33 |
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Kerry,
I remember looking at houses in Houston with my first wife back in the 1970's; since we were "poor" we were looking at lower cost
homes. I remember going into one house and noting that the walls were "wavy." I mentioned it to the guys at work and they said that
was probably because the studs were on 24 inch centers and they were low quality and bowed.
Here in Australia they use pressed metal studs a lot because the price of wood is astronomical!
Regards,
Rob "who wouldn't live ANYPLACE where it froze" M.
Sydney, Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry
Wife and I BUILT our Alabama home in 84. We did about 90-95% of all work ourselves. 2x6 studs were not available at the time and
neither was millwork (doors/windows) sized for the deeper walls. The additional cost would have been considerable and the payback
was in the order of 25 years so we went with 2x4's on 16" with a good R-Max sheathing and put R54 insulation in the ceiling. Now
2x6 studs and millwork are more common down here but the payback is still WAAAAAY out there.
Studs on 24 is legal down here because we basically have no snow load to worry about and if the house gets hit by a tornado it won't
care anyway. The main problem with 24" OC is that sheathing can get wavy and may show up if you have siding. The norm in
construction however is 2x4 studs 16" OC. Frequently on even high end houses with trusses on 24s (the norm here because of the lack
of snow load), you can see the droop in the OSB between trusses.
--
Kerry
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