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I saw something about building a vacuum reservoir with large PVC pipe to build a static device to replace the pumps many of us use to maintain stopping ability if engine stops. Anyone remember where to find the info?

George Butts Las Vegas Nevada 73 "Custom 26' Q" & 76 23' Birchaven 71 Honda 600 Coupe & 01 Tracker Toads
Re: Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234952 is a reply to message #234950] Fri, 03 January 2014 16:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it is on Jim Bounds' site. Coop Daily Pose.
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Re: Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234954 is a reply to message #234952] Fri, 03 January 2014 16:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dan is correct. Jim bounds... I think it is in member section.

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Re: Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234961 is a reply to message #234950] Fri, 03 January 2014 17:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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George B. wrote on Fri, 03 January 2014 15:30

I saw something about building a vacuum reservoir with large PVC pipe to build a static device to replace the pumps many of us use to maintain stopping ability if engine stops. Anyone remember where to find the info?


Fall edition of GMCMI newsletter -- Jim Bounds article...

http://www.gmcmi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/125.pdf

Dennis


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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234962 is a reply to message #234961] Fri, 03 January 2014 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Check with Ken Henderson...he used to make a few of them.

Mike in NS


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> George B. wrote on Fri, 03 January 2014 15:30
> > I saw something about building a vacuum reservoir with large PVC pipe to
> build a static device to replace the pumps many of us use to maintain
> stopping ability if engine stops. Anyone remember where to find the info?
>
>
> Fall edition of GMCMI newsletter -- Jim Bounds article...
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> http://www.gmcmi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/125.pdf
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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234972 is a reply to message #234950] Fri, 03 January 2014 19:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Go to Lowes, Home Depot, or similar and get a 1/4 MPT to Tube adapter
fitting. Also get a 30" section of 4" schedule 40 PVC pipe and two end
caps to fit, and the cement to attach those caps to the ends of the pipe.
You can probably find 3 heavy duty 18"+ cable ties there too.

Go to a junk yard and get a brake vacuum check valve from a junker (25% of
the NEW Help rack valves I bought were bad -- never got a bad junked one).

Drill one of the end caps to accept the vacuum-holding side of the check
valve and glue the valve in the hole (I use Plumber's Goop -- or some other
Goop). Drill and tap the pipe near that end cap to accept the 1/4 MPT to
Tube adapter and install same (you CAN just glue it in, but threading is
better). Glue the caps on the pipe. The reservoir is complete.

Put the new reservoir inside the rear of the front cross member and secure
it there with the cable ties (or your better idea). Disconnect the vacuum
line to the engine from the brake booster and attach it to the check valve
in the end cap -- hopefully it will reach; if not, disconnect BOTH ends of
the line and connect it between the booster check valve and the side
fitting on the reservoir. Now, use ANOTHER vehicle to go get enough 3/8"
vacuum hose to complete the installation -- reservoir to booster or engine
to reservoir.

Install the second hose and you're done. One added check valve to fail
(non-catastrophically), and 3-5 more brake applications for <$20.

Ken H.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 4:30 PM, GEORGE BUTTS wrote:

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>
> I saw something about building a vacuum reservoir with large PVC pipe to
> build a static device to replace the pumps many of us use to maintain
> stopping ability if engine stops. Anyone remember where to find the info?
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234974 is a reply to message #234972] Fri, 03 January 2014 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You guys fixed George up in nothing flat. I like seeing the information right on target. George, post pictures of yours on the photo site if you can.
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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234975 is a reply to message #234974] Fri, 03 January 2014 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tks Ken

"George, post pictures of yours..."
Dan, this is still a family site!! Careful....

Mike in NS


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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234984 is a reply to message #234950] Fri, 03 January 2014 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Does not replace a pump
On fact only gives 3 pumps
Don't Do it

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On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:30 PM, GEORGE BUTTS <george.b@reagan.com> wrote:

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> I saw something about building a vacuum reservoir with large PVC pipe to build a static device to replace the pumps many of us use to maintain stopping ability if engine stops. Anyone remember where to find the info?
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234987 is a reply to message #234984] Fri, 03 January 2014 20:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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do as you will,
but
read here first
http://gmcmotorhome.info/addens.html#jc4

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> Does not replace a pump
> On fact only gives 3 pumps
> Don't Do it
>
> FREE WIFI @ Mickey D
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>
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>
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> On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:30 PM, GEORGE BUTTS <george.b@reagan.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I saw something about building a vacuum reservoir with large PVC pipe to
> build a static device to replace the pumps many of us use to maintain
> stopping ability if engine stops. Anyone remember where to find the info?
> > --
> > George Butts
> > Apple Valley Calif.
> > 73 "Custom 26 Q"
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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234988 is a reply to message #234984] Fri, 03 January 2014 20:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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3 more's better'n no more. Plus pump is better. But reservoir costs a lot
less & is more reliable.

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> Does not replace a pump
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> Don't Do it
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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234989 is a reply to message #234988] Fri, 03 January 2014 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and
adds a lot of unnecessary, leak prone, plumbing to the vac system
jwid



On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:

> 3 more's better'n no more. Plus pump is better. But reservoir costs a lot
> less & is more reliable.
>
> Ken H.
>
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> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM, mr.erf wrote:
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> > Does not replace a pump
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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234991 is a reply to message #234989] Fri, 03 January 2014 21:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No argument with the "higher parts count"="reduced MTBF". But it would be
hard to find a higher MTBF than those parts (and their assembly). It's
surely much higher than that of any electrically operated pump and its
associated plumbing and wiring -- even when mounted on a sturdy electrical
wiper bracket.

Ken H.

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> and
> adds a lot of unnecessary, leak prone, plumbing to the vac system
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Re: Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #234999 is a reply to message #234950] Fri, 03 January 2014 22:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I knew it was somewhere...thanks for the link. To clarify, I have the pump on my coach and am not thinking of removing it. The coach my wife just got has none at all and I was thinking about the passive system for that coach. Now reading the links provided by Gene, I am tending towards a vacuum pump on the new coach as well.
Thanks everyone.


George Butts Las Vegas Nevada 73 "Custom 26' Q" & 76 23' Birchaven 71 Honda 600 Coupe & 01 Tracker Toads
Re: Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #235001 is a reply to message #234950] Fri, 03 January 2014 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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George B. wrote on Fri, 03 January 2014 14:30

I saw something about building a vacuum reservoir with large PVC pipe to build a static device to replace the pumps many of us use to maintain stopping ability if engine stops. Anyone remember where to find the info?

here's my approach. It gives me 6 pumps at full force:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/vacuum-tank/p3799.html


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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #235002 is a reply to message #234984] Fri, 03 January 2014 22:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mr ERFisher wrote on Fri, 03 January 2014 16:20

Does not replace a pump
On fact only gives 3 pumps
Don't Do it

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On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:30 PM, GEORGE BUTTS <george.b@reagan.com> wrote:

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>
> I saw something about building a vacuum reservoir with large PVC pipe to build a static device to replace the pumps many of us use to maintain stopping ability if engine stops. Anyone remember where to find the info?
> --
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Gene--totally disagree. Gives 6 pumps, won't crap out, is simple and effective.


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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #235006 is a reply to message #234987] Fri, 03 January 2014 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gene,

Take a look at this pump: http://tinyurl.com/pgraam6

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Continental-Electric-Vacuum-Pump-12VDC-Ford-A426C-/370691272503?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&h
ash=item564eebef37&vxp=mtr#ht_930wt_880

I bought two of these because they will leave any of the other vacuum pumps for DEAD! They are dual diaphragm pumps and they really
SUCK! ;-D

You will need a switch to control them which can be purchased here:

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/ssb-28146sw/overview/

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia


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do as you will,
but
read here first
http://gmcmotorhome.info/addens.html#jc4

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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #235009 is a reply to message #235006] Fri, 03 January 2014 22:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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how many brake peddle pumps with these vacuum suckers allow for? mickey anaheim ca 77 palm beach. happy new year! :-)


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> Gene,
>
> Take a look at this pump: http://tinyurl.com/pgraam6
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Continental-Electric-Vacuum-Pump-12VDC-Ford-A426C-/370691272503?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&h
> ash=item564eebef37&vxp=mtr#ht_930wt_880
>
> I bought two of these because they will leave any of the other vacuum pumps for DEAD! They are dual diaphragm pumps and they really
> SUCK! ;-D
>
> You will need a switch to control them which can be purchased here:
>
> http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/ssb-28146sw/overview/
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
>
>
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> do as you will,
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> read here first
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/addens.html#jc4
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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #235014 is a reply to message #235009] Fri, 03 January 2014 23:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mickey,

That question cannot be answered properly without on vehicle testing and I have yet to install this pump.

The pump is connected to the vacuum booster and it starts up the moment the vacuum goes above the switch set pressure. This
particular pump being a twin diaphragm pump has a very high pumping capacity and would return the booster to the switch cut out
point very quickly.

There is no way I'd even venture a guess as I would be pulling the answer out of a place where the sun don't shine!

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how many brake peddle pumps with these vacuum suckers allow for? mickey anaheim ca 77 palm beach. happy new year! :-)



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Re: [GMCnet] Where are instruction for Replacement for Vacuum Pump [message #235018 is a reply to message #235014] Sat, 04 January 2014 00:48 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I know that place. M. Ca. pb77

that is everywhere in the usa but L.A. today.

The weather is really bad here in most the country,

5k flights across the country cancelled at LAX info sight.

ice and planes do not mix.

I have the regular pump from Jim k, suppose i will put it on someday.



On Jan 3, 2014, at 9:15 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:

> Mickey,
>
> That question cannot be answered properly without on vehicle testing and I have yet to install this pump.
>
> The pump is connected to the vacuum booster and it starts up the moment the vacuum goes above the switch set pressure. This
> particular pump being a twin diaphragm pump has a very high pumping capacity and would return the booster to the switch cut out
> point very quickly.
>
> There is no way I'd even venture a guess as I would be pulling the answer out of a place where the sun don't shine!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
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> -----Original Message-----
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> how many brake peddle pumps with these vacuum suckers allow for? mickey anaheim ca 77 palm beach. happy new year! :-)
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