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| [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233558] |
Fri, 20 December 2013 20:07  |
glwgmc
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I don't often drive at night, but when I do I am having a harder time seeing well. Three years ago I tried the HID lights in the Royale and a couple of cars. They are very bright, but I had several bulbs burn out already along with a couple of the starters. The H4's have a Mickey mouse solenoid arrangement for going between low and high beam that never seemed to work correctly for very long. I finally found a pair of H4 LED lights that seem to be just the ticket for good design, bright but controlled light and they require no special wiring, just plug and play. They use two large CREE CXA1512 emitters in each bulb, one upper for the low beams and one lower for the high. Each operates at just 2.2 amps. I can't imagine needing high beams very often. The only clumsy part is a micro-fan that screws onto the back of the fixture for cooling. That will probably be the first thing to go. I will post the link if anyone is interested and will post updates as I learn more from
real world use. We will be headed south into the SW and Mexico sometime in January so will likely have need of some night driving (NOT in Mexico, though)! The cardinal rule there is get off the road before the sun goes down as many cars/trucks drive with little or no lights showing.
Jerry
Jerry Work
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233568 is a reply to message #233558] |
Fri, 20 December 2013 20:29  |
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Superior illumination is on the second tier list for The Pig. Please post pics when convenient.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Work Jerry <glwork@mac.com> wrote:
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> I don't often drive at night, but when I do I am having a harder time seeing well. Three years ago I tried the HID lights in the Royale and a couple of cars. They are very bright, but I had several bulbs burn out already along with a couple of the starters. The H4's have a Mickey mouse solenoid arrangement for going between low and high beam that never seemed to work correctly for very long. I finally found a pair of H4 LED lights that seem to be just the ticket for good design, bright but controlled light and they require no special wiring, just plug and play. They use two large CREE CXA1512 emitters in each bulb, one upper for the low beams and one lower for the high. Each operates at just 2.2 amps. I can't imagine needing high beams very often. The only clumsy part is a micro-fan that screws onto the back of the fixture for cooling. That will probably be the first thing to go. I will post the link if anyone is interested and will post updates as I learn more fr
om
> real world use. We will be headed south into the SW and Mexico sometime in January so will likely have need of some night driving (NOT in Mexico, though)! The cardinal rule there is get off the road before the sun goes down as many cars/trucks drive with little or no lights showing.
>
> Jerry
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building in historic Kerby, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233569 is a reply to message #233558] |
Fri, 20 December 2013 23:50 |
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Work Jerry" <glwork@mac.com>
To: "Gmc Forum" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 7:07 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] LED headlights
Jerry;
Be careful in Mexico as they just killed 5 of them on the beach in Rocky
Point.
National news not covering it too much.
JADE
73 23'??
73 26' Painted Desert
Ajo, AZ.
KC7QGC
>I don't often drive at night, but when I do I am having a harder time
>seeing well. Three years ago I tried the HID lights in the Royale and a
>couple of cars. They are very bright, but I had several bulbs burn out
>already along with a couple of the starters. The H4's have a Mickey mouse
>solenoid arrangement for going between low and high beam that never seemed
>to work correctly for very long. I finally found a pair of H4 LED lights
>that seem to be just the ticket for good design, bright but controlled
>light and they require no special wiring, just plug and play. They use two
>large CREE CXA1512 emitters in each bulb, one upper for the low beams and
>one lower for the high. Each operates at just 2.2 amps. I can't imagine
>needing high beams very often. The only clumsy part is a micro-fan that
>screws onto the back of the fixture for cooling. That will probably be the
>first thing to go. I will post the link if anyone is interested and will
>post updates as I learn more from
>
> real world use. We will be headed south into the SW and Mexico sometime
> in January so will likely have need of some night driving (NOT in Mexico,
> though)! The cardinal rule there is get off the road before the sun goes
> down as many cars/trucks drive with little or no lights showing.
>
> Jerry
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic Temple
> building in historic Kerby, OR
> Visitors always welcome!
> glwork@mac.com
> http://jerrywork.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233571 is a reply to message #233558] |
Fri, 20 December 2013 20:26 |
scott cowden
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I'd love that info, Jerry. I'm a big fan of LED lighting. Has its limitations up here in the north, but I don't drive my coach in the snow anyhow.
Thanks.
Scott
'74 x-Glacier
Newmarket, ON
Sent from my iPhone
On 2013-12-20, at 9:08 PM, "Work Jerry" <glwork@mac.com> wrote:
> I don't often drive at night, but when I do I am having a harder time seeing well. Three years ago I tried the HID lights in the Royale and a couple of cars. They are very bright, but I had several bulbs burn out already along with a couple of the starters. The H4's have a Mickey mouse solenoid arrangement for going between low and high beam that never seemed to work correctly for very long. I finally found a pair of H4 LED lights that seem to be just the ticket for good design, bright but controlled light and they require no special wiring, just plug and play. They use two large CREE CXA1512 emitters in each bulb, one upper for the low beams and one lower for the high. Each operates at just 2.2 amps. I can't imagine needing high beams very often. The only clumsy part is a micro-fan that screws onto the back of the fixture for cooling. That will probably be the first thing to go. I will post the link if anyone is interested and will post updates as I learn more fr
om
> real world use. We will be headed south into the SW and Mexico sometime in January so will likely have need of some night driving (NOT in Mexico, though)! The cardinal rule there is get off the road before the sun goes down as many cars/trucks drive with little or no lights showing.
>
> Jerry
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building in historic Kerby, OR
> Visitors always welcome!
> glwork@mac.com
> http://jerrywork.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233579 is a reply to message #233569] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 07:59 |
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> Jerry;
> Be careful in Mexico as they just killed 5 of them on the beach in Rocky
> Point.
> National news not covering it too much.
>
who are them?
> JADE
> 73 23'??
> 73 26' Painted Desert
> Ajo, AZ.
> KC7QGC
>
>
> >I don't often drive at night, but when I do I am having a harder time
> >seeing well. Three years ago I tried the HID lights in the Royale and a
> >couple of cars. They are very bright, but I had several bulbs burn out
> >already along with a couple of the starters. The H4's have a Mickey mouse
> >solenoid arrangement for going between low and high beam that never seemed
> >to work correctly for very long. I finally found a pair of H4 LED lights
> >that seem to be just the ticket for good design, bright but controlled
> >light and they require no special wiring, just plug and play. They use
> two
> >large CREE CXA1512 emitters in each bulb, one upper for the low beams and
> >one lower for the high. Each operates at just 2.2 amps. I can't imagine
> >needing high beams very often. The only clumsy part is a micro-fan that
> >screws onto the back of the fixture for cooling. That will probably be
> the
> >first thing to go. I will post the link if anyone is interested and will
> >post updates as I learn more from
> >
> > real world use. We will be headed south into the SW and Mexico sometime
> > in January so will likely have need of some night driving (NOT in Mexico,
> > though)! The cardinal rule there is get off the road before the sun goes
> > down as many cars/trucks drive with little or no lights showing.
> >
> > Jerry
> > Jerry Work
> > The Dovetail Joint
> > Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic
> Temple
> > building in historic Kerby, OR
> > Visitors always welcome!
> > glwork@mac.com
> > http://jerrywork.com
> >
> >
> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233580 is a reply to message #233579] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 08:07 |
Bruce Hart
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The news report just called them gunmen. No reference to being drug
related or otherwise.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/world_news&id=9365775
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:59 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Jerry;
> > Be careful in Mexico as they just killed 5 of them on the beach in Rocky
> > Point.
> > National news not covering it too much.
> >
>
> who are them?
>
>
>
> > JADE
> > 73 23'??
> > 73 26' Painted Desert
> > Ajo, AZ.
> > KC7QGC
> >
> >
> > >I don't often drive at night, but when I do I am having a harder time
> > >seeing well. Three years ago I tried the HID lights in the Royale and a
> > >couple of cars. They are very bright, but I had several bulbs burn out
> > >already along with a couple of the starters. The H4's have a Mickey
> mouse
> > >solenoid arrangement for going between low and high beam that never
> seemed
> > >to work correctly for very long. I finally found a pair of H4 LED
> lights
> > >that seem to be just the ticket for good design, bright but controlled
> > >light and they require no special wiring, just plug and play. They use
> > two
> > >large CREE CXA1512 emitters in each bulb, one upper for the low beams
> and
> > >one lower for the high. Each operates at just 2.2 amps. I can't
> imagine
> > >needing high beams very often. The only clumsy part is a micro-fan that
> > >screws onto the back of the fixture for cooling. That will probably be
> > the
> > >first thing to go. I will post the link if anyone is interested and
> will
> > >post updates as I learn more from
> > >
> > > real world use. We will be headed south into the SW and Mexico
> sometime
> > > in January so will likely have need of some night driving (NOT in
> Mexico,
> > > though)! The cardinal rule there is get off the road before the sun
> goes
> > > down as many cars/trucks drive with little or no lights showing.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > Jerry Work
> > > The Dovetail Joint
> > > Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic
> > Temple
> > > building in historic Kerby, OR
> > > Visitors always welcome!
> > > glwork@mac.com
> > > http://jerrywork.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233581 is a reply to message #233579] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 08:10 |
Steven Ferguson
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Them is people Gene. The killers were people in the employ of one of the
drug cartels. The Mexican Govt. calls them the Army.
Steve F.
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:59 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Jerry;
> > Be careful in Mexico as they just killed 5 of them on the beach in Rocky
> > Point.
> > National news not covering it too much.
> >
>
> who are them?
>
>
>
> > JADE
> > 73 23'??
> > 73 26' Painted Desert
> > Ajo, AZ.
> > KC7QGC
> >
> >
> > >I don't often drive at night, but when I do I am having a harder time
> > >seeing well. Three years ago I tried the HID lights in the Royale and a
> > >couple of cars. They are very bright, but I had several bulbs burn out
> > >already along with a couple of the starters. The H4's have a Mickey
> mouse
> > >solenoid arrangement for going between low and high beam that never
> seemed
> > >to work correctly for very long. I finally found a pair of H4 LED
> lights
> > >that seem to be just the ticket for good design, bright but controlled
> > >light and they require no special wiring, just plug and play. They use
> > two
> > >large CREE CXA1512 emitters in each bulb, one upper for the low beams
> and
> > >one lower for the high. Each operates at just 2.2 amps. I can't
> imagine
> > >needing high beams very often. The only clumsy part is a micro-fan that
> > >screws onto the back of the fixture for cooling. That will probably be
> > the
> > >first thing to go. I will post the link if anyone is interested and
> will
> > >post updates as I learn more from
> > >
> > > real world use. We will be headed south into the SW and Mexico
> sometime
> > > in January so will likely have need of some night driving (NOT in
> Mexico,
> > > though)! The cardinal rule there is get off the road before the sun
> goes
> > > down as many cars/trucks drive with little or no lights showing.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > Jerry Work
> > > The Dovetail Joint
> > > Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic
> > Temple
> > > building in historic Kerby, OR
> > > Visitors always welcome!
> > > glwork@mac.com
> > > http://jerrywork.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233582 is a reply to message #233580] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 08:12 |
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If there is a murder of more than one individual in Mexico, you can bet
your GMC it is drug related. I would recommend that anyone living on a
border state or planning on a trip to Mexico, read "One if by Land". You
will also know the real reason why big Sis resigned.
Steve F.
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> The news report just called them gunmen. No reference to being drug
> related or otherwise.
> http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/world_news&id=9365775
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:59 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Jerry;
> > > Be careful in Mexico as they just killed 5 of them on the beach in
> Rocky
> > > Point.
> > > National news not covering it too much.
> > >
> >
> > who are them?
> >
> >
> >
> > > JADE
> > > 73 23'??
> > > 73 26' Painted Desert
> > > Ajo, AZ.
> > > KC7QGC
> > >
> > >
> > > >I don't often drive at night, but when I do I am having a harder time
> > > >seeing well. Three years ago I tried the HID lights in the Royale
> and a
> > > >couple of cars. They are very bright, but I had several bulbs burn
> out
> > > >already along with a couple of the starters. The H4's have a Mickey
> > mouse
> > > >solenoid arrangement for going between low and high beam that never
> > seemed
> > > >to work correctly for very long. I finally found a pair of H4 LED
> > lights
> > > >that seem to be just the ticket for good design, bright but controlled
> > > >light and they require no special wiring, just plug and play. They
> use
> > > two
> > > >large CREE CXA1512 emitters in each bulb, one upper for the low beams
> > and
> > > >one lower for the high. Each operates at just 2.2 amps. I can't
> > imagine
> > > >needing high beams very often. The only clumsy part is a micro-fan
> that
> > > >screws onto the back of the fixture for cooling. That will probably
> be
> > > the
> > > >first thing to go. I will post the link if anyone is interested and
> > will
> > > >post updates as I learn more from
> > > >
> > > > real world use. We will be headed south into the SW and Mexico
> > sometime
> > > > in January so will likely have need of some night driving (NOT in
> > Mexico,
> > > > though)! The cardinal rule there is get off the road before the sun
> > goes
> > > > down as many cars/trucks drive with little or no lights showing.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > Jerry Work
> > > > The Dovetail Joint
> > > > Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic
> > > Temple
> > > > building in historic Kerby, OR
> > > > Visitors always welcome!
> > > > glwork@mac.com
> > > > http://jerrywork.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233583 is a reply to message #233558] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 08:21 |
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| glwgmc wrote on Fri, 20 December 2013 21:07 |
I don't often drive at night, but when I do I am having a harder time seeing well. Three years ago I tried the HID lights in the Royale and a couple of cars. They are very bright, but I had several bulbs burn out already along with a couple of the starters. The H4's have a Mickey mouse solenoid arrangement for going between low and high beam that never seemed to work correctly for very long. I finally found a pair of H4 LED lights that seem to be just the ticket for good design, bright but controlled light and they require no special wiring, just plug and play. They use two large CREE CXA1512 emitters in each bulb, one upper for the low beams and one lower for the high. Each operates at just 2.2 amps. I can't imagine needing high beams very often. The only clumsy part is a micro-fan that screws onto the back of the fixture for cooling. That will probably be the first thing to go. I will post the link if anyone is interested and will post updates as I learn more from
real world use. We will be headed south into the SW and Mexico sometime in January so will likely have need of some night driving (NOT in Mexico, though)! The cardinal rule there is get off the road before the sun goes down as many cars/trucks drive with little or no lights showing.
Jerry
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Jerry,
I am bit confused.
H4 is Halogen 4 a dual beam bulb that replaced the #4 conventional headlight (glass) bulb decades ago. (And with good reason.)
So, What H4 has a mechanical (solenoid) to move the light source?
Are you saying that the light engines (real HID) to replace an H4 have this solenoid deal?
Boy, talk about inviting a failure.... Heat and weather.....
An yes, if the press ever released the full story of tourist deaths/murders in Mexico, it would about end that business.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233586 is a reply to message #233582] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 08:35 |
Mr ERFisher
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YIIIIKKKKEEESSSS
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:12 AM, botiemad . <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
> If there is a murder of more than one individual in Mexico, you can bet
> your GMC it is drug related. I would recommend that anyone living on a
> border state or planning on a trip to Mexico, read "One if by Land". You
> will also know the real reason why big Sis resigned.
> Steve F.
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> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > The news report just called them gunmen. No reference to being drug
> > related or otherwise.
> > http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/world_news&id=9365775
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:59 AM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Jerry;
> > > > Be careful in Mexico as they just killed 5 of them on the beach in
> > Rocky
> > > > Point.
> > > > National news not covering it too much.
> > > >
> > >
> > > who are them?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > JADE
> > > > 73 23'??
> > > > 73 26' Painted Desert
> > > > Ajo, AZ.
> > > > KC7QGC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >I don't often drive at night, but when I do I am having a harder
> time
> > > > >seeing well. Three years ago I tried the HID lights in the Royale
> > and a
> > > > >couple of cars. They are very bright, but I had several bulbs burn
> > out
> > > > >already along with a couple of the starters. The H4's have a Mickey
> > > mouse
> > > > >solenoid arrangement for going between low and high beam that never
> > > seemed
> > > > >to work correctly for very long. I finally found a pair of H4 LED
> > > lights
> > > > >that seem to be just the ticket for good design, bright but
> controlled
> > > > >light and they require no special wiring, just plug and play. They
> > use
> > > > two
> > > > >large CREE CXA1512 emitters in each bulb, one upper for the low
> beams
> > > and
> > > > >one lower for the high. Each operates at just 2.2 amps. I can't
> > > imagine
> > > > >needing high beams very often. The only clumsy part is a micro-fan
> > that
> > > > >screws onto the back of the fixture for cooling. That will probably
> > be
> > > > the
> > > > >first thing to go. I will post the link if anyone is interested and
> > > will
> > > > >post updates as I learn more from
> > > > >
> > > > > real world use. We will be headed south into the SW and Mexico
> > > sometime
> > > > > in January so will likely have need of some night driving (NOT in
> > > Mexico,
> > > > > though)! The cardinal rule there is get off the road before the
> sun
> > > goes
> > > > > down as many cars/trucks drive with little or no lights showing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > > Jerry Work
> > > > > The Dovetail Joint
> > > > > Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic
> > > > Temple
> > > > > building in historic Kerby, OR
> > > > > Visitors always welcome!
> > > > > glwork@mac.com
> > > > > http://jerrywork.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233600 is a reply to message #233571] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 10:48 |
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Been using HID, new style baskets and all that here lately-- found a problem. The way the air flow is on the front of our coaches, if there is any air opening in the back of the new basket, water will just pour in, blow up the bulb and fill up the lens. These Chinese retrofit kits are leaking air-- bad Juju. Even bought a pretty pricy one, it leaks and blew the bulb. Be sure the bulb element is really sealed in there good
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On Friday, December 20, 2013 9:27 PM, scott cowden <scottyforsail@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'd love that info, Jerry. I'm a big fan of LED lighting. Has its limitations up here in the north, but I don't drive my coach in the snow anyhow.
Thanks.
Scott
'74 x-Glacier
Newmarket, ON
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On 2013-12-20, at 9:08 PM, "Work Jerry" <glwork@mac.com> wrote:
> I don't often drive at night, but when I do I am having a harder time seeing well. Three years ago I tried the HID lights in the Royale and a couple of cars. They are very bright, but I had several bulbs burn out already along with a couple of the starters. The H4's have a Mickey mouse solenoid arrangement for going between low and high beam that never seemed to work correctly for very long. I finally found a pair of H4 LED lights that seem to be just the ticket for good design, bright but controlled light and they require no special wiring, just plug and play. They use two large CREE CXA1512 emitters in each bulb, one upper for the low beams and one lower for the high. Each operates at just 2.2 amps. I can't imagine needing high beams very often. The only clumsy part is a micro-fan that screws onto the back of the fixture for cooling. That will probably be the first thing to go. I will post the link if anyone is interested and will
post updates as I learn more fr
om
> real world use. We will be headed south into the SW and Mexico sometime in January so will likely have need of some night driving (NOT in Mexico, though)! The cardinal rule there is get off the road before the sun goes down as many cars/trucks drive with little or no lights showing.
>
> Jerry
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building in historic Kerby, OR
> Visitors always welcome!
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> http://jerrywork.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233608 is a reply to message #233600] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 11:41 |
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That shoot-out in Mexico is nothing more than an evening on International Boulevard in Oakland, or any Sunday the Raiders are playing at the Coliseum.
I shouldn’t joke. The gun-battle video looked horrific. Those combatants were using really big guns and bullets that could easily have hurt innocents. It amazes me how many rounds are fired compared to how few targets are actually hit.
I’d wager the aluminum of our coaches would not stand a chance against anything of that caliber.
With all the natural resources, fertile soil, proximity to the US market, and intelligence abundant in Mexico why hasn’t it joined the first tier of nations? Why still is it a 3rd world country? There are so many beautiful spots to visit, historic locations to tour, and cuisine to eat, that this violence is repulsing tourism and investment.
Larry Davick
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233648 is a reply to message #233608] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 17:21 |
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| ljdavick wrote on Sat, 21 December 2013 11:41 |
I’d wager the aluminum of our coaches would not stand a chance against anything of that caliber...
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Heh, I'd bet the skin of the gmc would be no protection from any bullet moving faster than an air gun pellet.
Now if you installed a layer of Kevlar when you scraped off the old foam, and then added some ballistic steel, you would have the beginnings of an EM-50....
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233652 is a reply to message #233558] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 17:32 |
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I'd love to see a link to those bulbs. Also, are you using projector lenses or just 7" h4 assemblies? HID bulbs don't have much of an effective pattern in a regular lens.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html
I have done the conversion into stock h4 housings, and while they are brighter for objects close up, a good set of h4 bulbs will throw a better pattern farther.
Projection headlights work better with HID bulbs.
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233654 is a reply to message #233600] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 17:48 |
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| Jim Bounds wrote on Sat, 21 December 2013 10:48 |
Been using HID, new style baskets and all that here lately-- found a problem. The way the air flow is on the front of our coaches, if there is any air opening in the back of the new basket, water will just pour in, blow up the bulb and fill up the lens. These Chinese retrofit kits are leaking air-- bad Juju. Even bought a pretty pricy one, it leaks and blew the bulb. Be sure the bulb element is really sealed in there good
Jim
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Jim, stay away from the Chinese stuff, the Indian stuff is better.. 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-H6024-6014-H4-EURO-STYLE-HEADLIGHTS-CITY-LIGHTS-/330303133587?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=ite m4ce799d793
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233664 is a reply to message #233558] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 19:31 |
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10-4, good buddy!!!!
Also 10-9 (with the proper vocal expression to render it as meaning: "You
can say that again!"
ronC
On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:38:04 +1100 "Robert Mueller"
<robmueller@iinet.net.au> writes:
> G'day,
>
> Might as well add my $.02 to this discussion.
>
> IMO the only way the drug problem will be resolved is when they are
> all de-criminalized regulated and taxed. The BILLIONS that are
> spent on trying to combat this problem and the taxes collected could
> be added to government coffers and put to better use than a
> fruitless battle.
>
> Prohibition is a perfect example of this.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Work Jerry
>
>
> Well stated, Larry.
>
> I have had the opportunity to do a lot of business in Mexico in the
> past interacting with many of the most highly placed officials
> in the government, industry and education. On one occasion we
> hosted a dinner party in our back yard over looking the Columbia
> river. That party included the current or former ministers of
> nearly all their cabinet level positions, the President of UNAM
> (the
> largest university in the Americas and perhaps the world at 250,000
> students), the head of the national lab part of PEMEX (the state
> owned national oil company), and the presidents of several of the
> largest industrial firms. Seemingly fine, well meaning gentlemen
> all.
>
> One major impediment standing in the way of modernizing their
> country, and openly derided by all these gentlemen, was the
> monopoly
> on oil given to Pemex by a socialist government decades ago. Pemex
> itself became a bureaucratic nightmare of political patronage.
> The money that was supposed to go to "the people" to modernize
> Mexico never got there, nor was it reinvested in infrastructure as
> it
> was by law supposed to. As a result, one of the largest oil
> producers on earth stagnated in the 50s, the fields became
> non-productive, pollution in the Tobasco region, especially along
> the Veracruz coast line, became significant.
>
> Just in the last two weeks the Federal government changed the law
> removing the oil monopoly from Pemex and allowing foreign
> investment in oil exploration, extraction, refinement and
> distribution. That may well mark the fundamental change that might
> finally allow Mexico to invest in bringing itself up by its own boot
> straps to join the modern nations of the world. I hope so. We
> spent many wonderful winters in central Mexico during our full
> timing days in the rolling condo. Never felt the slightest
> discomfort and never saw any evidence of corruption or danger to
> tourists. One would never go outside the Zona Rosa in Mexico City
> after dark any more that one would go most places in Chicago day or
> night these days, but that is true of most all big cities around
> the world. We heard lots of stories about the banditos coming out
> of the hills a robbing tourists, but none of them ever checked
> out as being anything but stories.
>
> The rise of the drug cartels changed everything for the worst in the
> border towns and for the senior people in government, education
> and industry as they became targets. Rival gangs shoot it out to
> control transportation points. The fact that the Federal
> government is now stepping in willing to take on anyone I see as a
> good sign. Would I like to be in the cross fire? No. But from
> our experience that is very unlikely. A tourist has nothing of
> value remotely in the same magnitude as a drug dealer or transport
> hub so the really bad guys don't want the exposure of hassling
> anyone but the wealthiest. Small time crooks there are just like
> they are here so the risks are about the same.
>
> A couple of our sons regularly surf the west coast of Mexico along
> with a whole bunch of surfers from around the world. While there
> is a lot of drug trafficing in the states of Michoacan, Colima,
> Jalisco, Nayarit and Sinaloa, (it is new in the state of Sonora
> with
> many of the other access points now sealed off), they have never
> seen any evidence of bad guys or dealers going after the surfers.
>
> My take anyway.
>
> Jerry
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233673 is a reply to message #233558] |
Sat, 21 December 2013 22:27 |
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HID= High Intensity Discharge...Driven by high frequency, high voltage electric wave generator. These are not LEDs. Similar to mercury and sodium vapor lights. Very hot bulb. Lots of radio noise because the electric wave is actually a radio wave. (Actually, all electric waves are radio waves)
LED= Light Emitting Diode...driven by direct current across a junction of dissimilar semiconductor materials. Gallium arsenide is one type for red and yellow colored light. Other materials give different colors. Low current and low heat, very efficient in terms of power, but the light is very directional. Blinding when looked at directly in the beam, but off axis light is marginally useful.
Terry Kelpien
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233680 is a reply to message #233608] |
Sun, 22 December 2013 01:42 |
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| ljdavick wrote on Sat, 21 December 2013 09:41 |
...
With all the natural resources, fertile soil, proximity to the US market, and intelligence abundant in Mexico why hasn’t it joined the first tier of nations? Why still is it a 3rd world country? ...
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Basic answer that has been true from the beginning of humans... If honest people can not keep what they work for, a civilization is limited on what it can accomplish.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233682 is a reply to message #233673] |
Sun, 22 December 2013 05:38 |
Joe Weir
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| Bullitthead wrote on Sat, 21 December 2013 22:27 |
HID= High Intensity Discharge...Driven by high frequency, high voltage electric wave generator. These are not LEDs. Similar to mercury and sodium vapor lights. Very hot bulb. Lots of radio noise because the electric wave is actually a radio wave. (Actually, all electric waves are radio waves)
LED= Light Emitting Diode...driven by direct current across a junction of dissimilar semiconductor materials. Gallium arsenide is one type for red and yellow colored light. Other materials give different colors. Low current and low heat, very efficient in terms of power, but the light is very directional. Blinding when looked at directly in the beam, but off axis light is marginally useful.
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The different headlight assemblies are optimized for std and HID, and the LED is a completely different source type. I had not heard of a drop in H4 style LED.
As you state, LED's generally have a very narrow beam angle, and headlights need to cast a certain amount of light left and right. In a regular headlight, the reflector and lens takes that radiant light and focuses it where it needs to be. It would seem that an LED assembly would either need a special lens to scatter the light properly, or multiple LED's, or both. While very efficient, higher wattage LED's require heat sinks.
I'm curious what the bulb assembly would look like. it seems unlikely that a standard h4 lens assembly would do.
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| Re: [GMCnet] LED headlights [message #233683 is a reply to message #233682] |
Sun, 22 December 2013 05:45 |
Joe Weir
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| Joe Weir wrote on Sun, 22 December 2013 05:38 |
| Bullitthead wrote on Sat, 21 December 2013 22:27 |
HID= High Intensity Discharge...Driven by high frequency, high voltage electric wave generator. These are not LEDs. Similar to mercury and sodium vapor lights. Very hot bulb. Lots of radio noise because the electric wave is actually a radio wave. (Actually, all electric waves are radio waves)
LED= Light Emitting Diode...driven by direct current across a junction of dissimilar semiconductor materials. Gallium arsenide is one type for red and yellow colored light. Other materials give different colors. Low current and low heat, very efficient in terms of power, but the light is very directional. Blinding when looked at directly in the beam, but off axis light is marginally useful.
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learn something new every day. I guess they look like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Jtech-Type-High-Power-Headlight/dp/B0090E4RN8/ref=sr_1_12?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1387712469&sr=1-12&keywords=h 4+led+headlight+bulb
Look forward to a real world review.
The different headlight assemblies are optimized for std and HID, and the LED is a completely different source type. I had not heard of a drop in H4 style LED.
As you state, LED's generally have a very narrow beam angle, and headlights need to cast a certain amount of light left and right. In a regular headlight, the reflector and lens takes that radiant light and focuses it where it needs to be. It would seem that an LED assembly would either need a special lens to scatter the light properly, or multiple LED's, or both. While very efficient, higher wattage LED's require heat sinks.
I'm curious what the bulb assembly would look like. it seems unlikely that a standard h4 lens assembly would do.
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