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Matt Colie
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This is kind of interesting because Snopes says it just isn't so, but I have irrefutable evidence otherwise.
I am on medicare and I went to the doctor the other day with a very minor issue.
The nurse or whatever was filling out some forms and asked all the regular questions and buried in them was:
Do you have any guns at home?
Are they loaded?
She was kind of put off when I told her that I would not answer and that as it had no bearing on any medical condition, it was illegal for her to even ask. She bumbled along and said that this was the new form and she was supposed to fill it out completely. I just said again that I would not answer. She dropped it there.
This may sound minor, but with the full implementation of the PP/ACA (Obamacare)the government will have access to all of our medical records. This would be in there. They won't learn anything new, because I have handguns registered with the state.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Something to think about [message #233426 is a reply to message #233424] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 18:06  |
Guy Lopes
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Matt,
I and my Wife and Daughters simply say "no" if asked the same question. This
does two things in my mind, it stops further questioning and minimizes the
chance that my name and address are added to any government "list".
Guy Lopes
75 Birchaven For Sale
Sacramento, CA
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Subject: [GMCnet] Something to think about
This is kind of interesting because Snopes says it just isn't so, but I have
irrefutable evidence otherwise.
I am on medicare and I went to the doctor the other day with a very minor
issue.
The nurse or whatever was filling out some forms and asked all the regular
questions and buried in them was:
Do you have any guns at home?
Are they loaded?
She was kind of put off when I told her that I would not answer and that as
it had no bearing on any medical condition, it was illegal for her to even
ask. She bumbled along and said that this was the new form and she was
supposed to fill it out completely. I just said again that I would not
answer. She dropped it there.
This may sound minor, but with the full implementation of the PP/ACA
(Obamacare)the government will have access to all of our medical records.
This would be in there. They won't learn anything new, because I have
handguns registered with the state.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Something to think about [message #233429 is a reply to message #233424] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 18:15 |
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In Nova Scotia a couple of years ago when someone was renewing their
driver's license, the clerk would ask medical questions. Numerous
complaints ended the questioning when it was determined that they were not
qualified to deal with the answers.
Complain to the people that represent you ..or are supposed to. <g>
Mike in NS
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> This is kind of interesting because Snopes says it just isn't so, but I
> have irrefutable evidence otherwise.
>
> I am on medicare and I went to the doctor the other day with a very minor
> issue.
> The nurse or whatever was filling out some forms and asked all the regular
> questions and buried in them was:
> Do you have any guns at home?
> Are they loaded?
>
> She was kind of put off when I told her that I would not answer and that
> as it had no bearing on any medical condition, it was illegal for her to
> even ask. She bumbled along and said that this was the new form and she
> was supposed to fill it out completely. I just said again that I would not
> answer. She dropped it there.
>
> This may sound minor, but with the full implementation of the PP/ACA
> (Obamacare)the government will have access to all of our medical records.
> This would be in there. They won't learn anything new, because I have
> handguns registered with the state.
>
> Matt
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> for the winter.
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| Re: Something to think about [message #233437 is a reply to message #233424] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 19:11 |
cbryan
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Matt,
I have been on Medicare for more than two years and never have been asked such a question. My primary care doc used to ask me if I smoked, drank, used illegal drugs, was involved in risky (frisky) behavior or used seat belts when I drove or was a passenger in an automobile. Like ten years ago. I understand some of those questions. I have a CDL drivers license and have medical tests every two years. No question about gun ownership there, either. No question about gun ownership for pilots physical exams, though that has been a while. My dentist is interested in my lifestyle with respect to risky behavior, most all of this is to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS. I guess to some all these questions represent an unwarranted intrusion into personal freedom.
Since medicare isn't too much touched by the proposed changes in medical care, I don't think there is much to this story. If this is your personal experience, then that has some credibility, but I have seen this item before, like it or not, it is circulated with emails calculated to outrage those of a particular political persuasion, maybe enough to send in a contribution. I view it as a form of religion.
However, I have no problem of standing corrected if I am wrong and I should celebrate those times I am wrong, but alas, all those celebrations would not be good for my remaining health.
This is just my experience. I am certainly not the only medicare recipient on this forum.
Carey Bryan
Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
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| Re: Something to think about [message #233439 is a reply to message #233424] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 19:24 |
Steve Stolley
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This thread is totally off topic. That said, as a health care professional who knows what he's talking about, there is absolutely no truth to your statement about the government having access to medical records with your name on them as a result of the ACA. There's a law called the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act that prevents your doctor or insurance company from sharing any medical info with your name attached without your written permission. Please stop spreading misinformation.
BTW, one of the purposes of those questions about guns is to stimulate a conversation between you and your doctor about safe handling of weapons to prevent accidental shootings of children.
I'm sure the NSA alrady knows how many guns you have.
Steve Stolley
76 Glenbrook
Ivins, Utah
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| Re: [GMCnet] Something to think about [message #233443 is a reply to message #233439] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 19:45 |
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Well said. Thanks.
Not only can this line of questioning (which probably came as a default in
the new electronic health record system the physician is now using) lead to
an intelligent discussion, but it can also alert a wise person to watch your
behavior in the event you were really crazy and a possible danger to
yourself or someone else.
This leads to the issue of "gun control" and the things we know about many
mass shootings -- that is, they are done by people whose mental and/or
emotional state should have been called into question but, under new laws of
personal privacy, we no longer can do anything about. I'm looking for the
day that this all turns around so we don't have to be watching over our
shoulders for idiots with guns at home waiting for a reason to get mad and
use them.
If you keep that in mind, the line of questioning is valid.
I told my physician that I do have a gun and where I store my ammunition. If
he ever comes to the house (which will be a total surprise) he'll know just
where to go. I wish him luck.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
PS - Agreed, totally off topic.
Stephen Stolley wrote:
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> This thread is totally off topic. That said, as a health care professional
> who knows what he's talking about, there is absolutely no truth to your
> statement about the government having access to medical records with your name
> on them as a result of the ACA. There's a law called the Health Insurance
> Portability and Accountability Act that prevents your doctor or insurance
> company from sharing any medical info with your name attached without your
> written permission. Please stop spreading misinformation.
>
> BTW, one of the purposes of those questions about guns is to stimulate a
> conversation between you and your doctor about safe handling of weapons to
> prevent accidental shootings of children.
>
> I'm sure the NSA alrady knows how many guns you have.
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| Re: Something to think about [message #233445 is a reply to message #233424] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 20:00 |
Steve
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That stuff drives me nuts. I won't answer.
1978 GMC Royal
Eastern Pennslyvania
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| Re: Something to think about [message #233450 is a reply to message #233437] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 20:35 |
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Matt Colie
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| cbryan wrote on Wed, 18 December 2013 20:11 |
Matt,
I have been on Medicare for more than two years and never have been asked such a question. My primary care doc used to ask me if I smoked, drank, used illegal drugs, was involved in risky (frisky) behavior or used seat belts when I drove or was a passenger in an automobile. Like ten years ago. I understand some of those questions. I have a CDL drivers license and have medical tests every two years. No question about gun ownership there, either. No question about gun ownership for pilots physical exams, though that has been a while. My dentist is interested in my lifestyle with respect to risky behavior, most all of this is to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS. I guess to some all these questions represent an unwarranted intrusion into personal freedom.
Since medicare isn't too much touched by the proposed changes in medical care, I don't think there is much to this story. If this is your personal experience, then that has some credibility, but I have seen this item before, like it or not, it is circulated with emails calculated to outrage those of a particular political persuasion, maybe enough to send in a contribution. I view it as a form of religion.
However, I have no problem of standing corrected if I am wrong and I should celebrate those times I am wrong, but alas, all those celebrations would not be good for my remaining health.
This is just my experience. I am certainly not the only medicare recipient on this forum.
Carey Bryan
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Carey,
My experience was much like yours until the most recent event. I really can't complain about health related questions, but this is clearly not health related in any way shape or form. I expect they will soon start asking for you bank account numbers.
Oh Yeah, they do if you try to sign up for Obamacare.
The attitude of the nurse was most interesting, like she might get fired if she doesn't get an answer.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: Something to think about [message #233451 is a reply to message #233439] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 20:43 |
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| Steve Stolley wrote on Wed, 18 December 2013 20:24 |
This thread is totally off topic. That said, as a health care professional who knows what he's talking about, there is absolutely no truth to your statement about the government having access to medical records with your name on them as a result of the ACA. There's a law called the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act that prevents your doctor or insurance company from sharing any medical info with your name attached without your written permission. Please stop spreading misinformation.
BTW, one of the purposes of those questions about guns is to stimulate a conversation between you and your doctor about safe handling of weapons to prevent accidental shootings of children.
I'm sure the NSA alrady knows how many guns you have.
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Steve,
I felt that this was a topic, even though only a few here carry firearms in the coach. Most of us are Medicare age, and if you think that the government will not get your medical records with your name on them then you have not read all of PP/ACA. They will as they will soon be THE SINGLE PAYER.
And I do believe NSA knows about some of the firearms we have.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
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| Re: Something to think about [message #233452 is a reply to message #233445] |
Wed, 18 December 2013 20:48 |
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| Steve Adams wrote on Wed, 18 December 2013 18:00 |
That stuff drives me nuts. I won't answer.
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I will not give a straight answer to anything if I think it is "none of their business."
I do not even give my correct birth date to the websites that "require" it! -- As I understand the "need" for a ball-park age, I give the Jan 1st closest to my real birth date.
OBTW: I do not have any fire arms. (Believe what you want.)
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
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| Re: [GMCnet] Something to think about [message #233460 is a reply to message #233450] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 03:14 |
Steve Jess
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"this is clearly not health related in any way shape or form"
Anybody who's been shot might disagree.
Steve Jess - Aguanga, CA
1977 GMC Palm Beach "The DreamLiner"The 10,000 pound antique Home Theater with plumbing
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: matt7323tze@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 20:35:59 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Something to think about
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> cbryan wrote on Wed, 18 December 2013 20:11
> > Matt,
> >
> > I have been on Medicare for more than two years and never have been asked such a question. My primary care doc used to ask me if I smoked, drank, used illegal drugs, was involved in risky (frisky) behavior or used seat belts when I drove or was a passenger in an automobile. Like ten years ago. I understand some of those questions. I have a CDL drivers license and have medical tests every two years. No question about gun ownership there, either. No question about gun ownership for pilots physical exams, though that has been a while. My dentist is interested in my lifestyle with respect to risky behavior, most all of this is to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS. I guess to some all these questions represent an unwarranted intrusion into personal freedom.
> >
> > Since medicare isn't too much touched by the proposed changes in medical care, I don't think there is much to this story. If this is your personal experience, then that has some credibility, but I have seen this item before, like it or not, it is circulated with emails calculated to outrage those of a particular political persuasion, maybe enough to send in a contribution. I view it as a form of religion.
> >
> > However, I have no problem of standing corrected if I am wrong and I should celebrate those times I am wrong, but alas, all those celebrations would not be good for my remaining health.
> >
> > This is just my experience. I am certainly not the only medicare recipient on this forum.
> >
> > Carey Bryan
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> Carey,
>
> My experience was much like yours until the most recent event. I really can't complain about health related questions, but this is clearly not health related in any way shape or form. I expect they will soon start asking for you bank account numbers.
>
> Oh Yeah, they do if you try to sign up for Obamacare.
>
> The attitude of the nurse was most interesting, like she might get fired if she doesn't get an answer.
>
> Matt
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Something to think about [message #233461 is a reply to message #233454] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 05:17 |
Ken Henderson
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This is not my sort of discussion, but with the recurring, intense, attacks
on our 2nd amendment rights, I must present an opinion:
Any attempt to learn about one's gun ownership is, IMHO, a violation of
"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The question itself is an infringement. That includes registration and
even any such questions as those being discussed, whether government
required or not. The answers to which CAN and probably WILL be acquired by
the government. Nor can any court's ruling change my opinion.
I can by no means be considered a "gun nut", but I have been sworn for the
past 55 years to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States
against all enemies, foreign and domestic". I will not violate that oath
by answering such questions. To the proposition that the information is
important to evaluating those who MAY be threats to themselves or others, I
say "consider everyone to be a gun owner". Those who do not own guns still
have access to knives, ball bats, garrotes, automobiles, poisons, explosive
substances, and any number of other lethal weapons. Those sufficiently
intent on harm WILL find a way.
Sorry to stay off-proper-topic.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Something to think about [message #233462 is a reply to message #233461] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 05:56 |
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Number one killing weapon in America is .......
the ordinary hammer.
Not GMC related, so not needed here. If you need to discuss non-GMC items, there are other forums. This group covers a broad spectrum of American thought and experience. We all have differing views of some very core issues, religion, weapons, taxes, rights, etc. Under current media commentary, I see nothing about responsibility of the individual. JFK said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask what you can do for your country.". Many of us have done for our country.
Tom, CW3, US Army, 22 years, 2 wars
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| Re: [GMCnet] Something to think about [message #233464 is a reply to message #233462] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 07:31 |
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A bit off topic, nonetheless, good discussion guys.
Steve F.
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> Number one killing weapon in America is .......
> the ordinary hammer.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Something to think about [message #233475 is a reply to message #233439] |
Thu, 19 December 2013 10:27 |
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If you (or anybody) believes that your doctor or insurance company won't pass on your info to big brother or any of his hirelings, you probably believe in Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and the Great Pumpkin!
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: sstolley9957@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:24:13 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Something to think about
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> This thread is totally off topic. That said, as a health care professional who knows what he's talking about, there is absolutely no truth to your statement about the government having access to medical records with your name on them as a result of the ACA. There's a law called the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act that prevents your doctor or insurance company from sharing any medical info with your name attached without your written permission. Please stop spreading misinformation.
>
> BTW, one of the purposes of those questions about guns is to stimulate a conversation between you and your doctor about safe handling of weapons to prevent accidental shootings of children.
>
> I'm sure the NSA alrady knows how many guns you have.
> --
> Steve Stolley
> 76 Glenbrook
> Washington, Utah
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