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A Hamilto is currently offline  A Hamilto   United States
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I did a quick search of the photo site and didn't see any details on the Onan fuel line routing and connections.

Does the tank have to come down to replace the Onan fuel line?

Does anybody have any pictures of the routing from the tank to the power drawer?
Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233295 is a reply to message #233287] Tue, 17 December 2013 04:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>
> Does the tank have to come down to replace the Onan fuel line?
>
> prob. not, it is a real short line to where you can see the fuel line,
and you can change the rest of the rubber line all the way to the onan.

look here for pictures by emery, etal, about onan routing to the onan.
also varies with gmc manuf. where the onan connects
http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/

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> Does anybody have any pictures of the routing from the tank to the power
> drawer?
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Re: Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233297 is a reply to message #233287] Tue, 17 December 2013 07:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 16 December 2013 23:51

I did a quick search of the photo site and didn't see any details on the Onan fuel line routing and connections.

Does the tank have to come down to replace the Onan fuel line?

Does anybody have any pictures of the routing from the tank to the power drawer?

A,

Yes, and I can say that as another owner of a 73-23 that has done the whole fuel line thing....

I may have pictures, but I do not have time to locate them. The part over the tank is as big a PITA as the part that goes through the bottom of the base of the generator. I still have not figured out how to replace that without pulling the generator out of the coach.

I'm kind of time-tight these days, but if I find pictures, I will let you know.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233300 is a reply to message #233297] Tue, 17 December 2013 08:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> . I still have not figured out how to replace that without pulling the
> generator out of the coach.
>
> i did mine by opening the onan box from the top (where the battery is)

i could then reach the gas lines to change them

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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233302 is a reply to message #233300] Tue, 17 December 2013 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Time tight? Matt, you are retired.
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Re: Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233306 is a reply to message #233287] Tue, 17 December 2013 09:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 16 December 2013 21:51

I did a quick search of the photo site and didn't see any details on the Onan fuel line routing and connections.

Does the tank have to come down to replace the Onan fuel line?

Does anybody have any pictures of the routing from the tank to the power drawer?



On the lower left hand corner of this photo, you can see the tank outlet for the Onan:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/gas-tank-fuel-line-project-6-10/p34775-gas-tank-clean-up-fuel.html

I obviously had my tanks out when I did this job, but it looks like you might be able to access that fitting with the tank in place, I can't say for sure. It takes a few gymnastic maneuvers to get to the fittings behind the generator, but I didn't have to remove the generator or perform surgery on the generator box. There is a nipple sticking out the bottom of the generator housing and a penetration into the inside of the power drawer box. The 1/4" hose threads through a bracket that keeps it on the floor of the enclosure. I guess I don't have any pics of the routing inside the box. Sorry.


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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233309 is a reply to message #233302] Tue, 17 December 2013 09:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tphipps wrote on Tue, 17 December 2013 09:11

Time tight? Matt, you are retired.
Tom, MS II

Tom,

I should give you access to my calender and task list......

Always though it interesting that so many people reported that now they retired they didn't have time for as much as they used to. I know why in my case.

I had planned and worked all my life toward a comfortable retirement. But, since somebody (this is not going to get political) has deprived me of several decades worth of what was supposed to be a secure investment and was up until that same group decided to abrogate the bankruptcy laws that had been in place for over a century. So, a lot of work that I would much prefer to buy, I have to do all by myself. Things that I would just replace, I now have to repair.

Then my car broke a timing belt and it snowed. At least I got the coach into the barn before the snow hit.

¿¿Is there an emoticon for the small violin playing "Hearts and Flowers"??

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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233311 is a reply to message #233309] Tue, 17 December 2013 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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the trouble with being retired is
YOU NEVER GET A DAY OFF


On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> tphipps wrote on Tue, 17 December 2013 09:11
> > Time tight? Matt, you are retired.
> > Tom, MS II
>
> Tom,
>
> I should give you access to my calender and task list......
>
> Always though it interesting that so many people reported that now they
> retired they didn't have time for as much as they used to. I know why in
> my case.
>
> I had planned and worked all my life toward a comfortable retirement.
> But, since somebody (this is not going to get political) has deprived me of
> several decades worth of what was supposed to be a secure investment and
> was up until that same group decided to abrogate the bankruptcy laws that
> had been in place for over a century. So, a lot of work that I would much
> prefer to buy, I have to do all by myself. Things that I would just
> replace, I now have to repair.
>
> Then my car broke a timing belt and it snowed. At least I got the coach
> into the barn before the snow hit.
>
> ¿¿Is there an emoticon for the small violin playing "Hearts and Flowers"??
>
> Matt
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Re: Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233316 is a reply to message #233306] Tue, 17 December 2013 09:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here's another pic from Mike Miller that shows the fuel line inside the generator box:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/onan-pictures/p17585.html


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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233332 is a reply to message #233309] Tue, 17 December 2013 13:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your car, Matt, interference engine? Or just replace the belt and go?

I am working past normal retirement age. Plan to actually hang it up at 68 1/2 or so. The past couple of years have added some help to my inadequate retirement plans (all defined contribution plans), but I am looking forward toward doing things on my own. I enjoy the posts you make from the perspective of a career doing engine tests for a time. I am sorry your plans have been disrupted like they have been. Retirements through bankruptcy of the parent corporation are sold out, these days, corporations are sold and retirement plans are just decimated. "Full faith and credit" doesn't mean much. I am glad I didn't own Enron stock in a retirement plan. The employees were barred from transacting their stock while the big guys sold out theirs before the curtain went up on the big debacle.

I am getting a feeling that I will have even more trouble getting things done in retirement due to lack of public expectation, which I rely on to give my maximum effort. Can't know for sure.

Hope you don't have an engine to replace.

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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233335 is a reply to message #233332] Tue, 17 December 2013 14:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My guess is that Matt's problem is mostly a result of the U.S. government's stealing of his former employer from its rightful owners to give to the labor unions in payment for votes!


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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line
>
> Your car, Matt, interference engine? Or just replace the belt and go?
>
> I am working past normal retirement age. Plan to actually hang it up at 68 1/2 or so. The past couple of years have added some help to my inadequate retirement plans (all defined contribution plans), but I am looking forward toward doing things on my own. I enjoy the posts you make from the perspective of a career doing engine tests for a time. I am sorry your plans have been disrupted like they have been. Retirements through bankruptcy of the parent corporation are sold out, these days, corporations are sold and retirement plans are just decimated. "Full faith and credit" doesn't mean much. I am glad I didn't own Enron stock in a retirement plan. The employees were barred from transacting their stock while the big guys sold out theirs before the curtain went up on the big debacle.
>
> I am getting a feeling that I will have even more trouble getting things done in retirement due to lack of public expectation, which I rely on to give my maximum effort. Can't know for sure.
>
> Hope you don't have an engine to replace.
>
> Carey Bryan
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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233339 is a reply to message #233332] Tue, 17 December 2013 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cbryan wrote on Tue, 17 December 2013 14:04

Your car, Matt, interference engine? Or just replace the belt and go?<snip>
Carey Bryan

Carey,

This was supposed to be a non-interference so as to survive the over rev if a driver missed a shift. But I guess it didn't clear a valve that was actually open. It now blows air out the intake when I try to put pressure in #1. The car has 183K on an engine that was supposed to go about 80K (the race version only).

I was expecting something to let go any time now.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233340 is a reply to message #233335] Tue, 17 December 2013 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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k2gkk wrote on Tue, 17 December 2013 15:23

My guess is that Matt's problem is mostly a result of the U.S. government's stealing of his former employer from its rightful owners to give to the labor unions in payment for votes!
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That truth is very close to getting political. It seems you know about the situation so let's just not go there.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233349 is a reply to message #233306] Tue, 17 December 2013 15:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 16 December 2013 21:51
>> I did a quick search of the photo site and didn't see any details on the Onan fuel line routing and connections.
>>
>> Does the tank have to come down to replace the Onan fuel line?
>>
>> Does anybody have any pictures of the routing from the tank to the power drawer?
>
>
Hi Al

I am sending a small pdf file to your email address with three pictures of the top of the tank showing the metal lines that I had attached to the Onan pickup and the vent and main fuel pickup.

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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233352 is a reply to message #233349] Tue, 17 December 2013 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I am sending a small pdf file to your email address with three pictures of
> the top of the tank showing the metal lines that I had attached to the Onan
> pickup and the vent and main fuel pickup.
>
> LIKE THIS ?
http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/



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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233354 is a reply to message #233352] Tue, 17 December 2013 16:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And / Or this?
http://gmcws.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/In-tank-Fuel-Pump-seminar.pdf

On Dec 17, 2013 4:06 PM, "gene Fisher" <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I am sending a small pdf file to your email address with three pictures
of
> > the top of the tank showing the metal lines that I had attached to the
Onan
> > pickup and the vent and main fuel pickup.
> >
> > LIKE THIS ?
> http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/
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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233356 is a reply to message #233354] Tue, 17 December 2013 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Speaking of fuel lines, just to get a link out there while I'm thinking
about it.
Early original steel fuel & vent line info at:
http://www.gmcclassics.com/chatter/2008_12.pdf
by Bob Musgrove & Bill Bramlett.
Emerys goes into much more detail and works perfectly per personal
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Re: Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233365 is a reply to message #233287] Tue, 17 December 2013 19:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I had to smile when you guys sort of mentioned the GM bankruptcy debacle. As an amateur investor I try to get information about a company as facts & figures, not as bs from some talking head on TV or from a financial "advisor" who is probably a glorified salesman making great commissions on what he sells (he makes money whether you win or lose). Some of us stayed far away from GM stock in the mid 2000's.

The internet is a great thing, I don't have to go find the paper article anymore, I just google it. Here's a link to an article from October 2005 (over eight years ago):

http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/gm-headed-for-bankruptcy-8811


Here's another one from November 2005:

http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/gold-at-18-year-high-gm-bankruptcy-ahead-8323



There's more regarding a GM bankruptcy that Martin Weiss wrote at that time but these 2 articles should light the fire. If anyone owned GM stock after the fall of 2005 then that's you're own fault, nobody forced you to buy a poor investment. Nobody forced you to own too much of one company or of one industry.

Two figures I like to see when evaluating a company are the market cap (how much they are 'worth') and the bare cash (how much of that 'worth' is debt). 10 years ago GM was in debt up to it's eyeballs and only getting worse. After about 2006 there was no way out, their debt was so huge. Some of us knew that bankruptcy was inevitable, it was just a matter of when. In 2006 when GM had to restate earnings that was the final bit of info we needed to stay far far away. In hindsight I should've shorted a bunch of GM shares in 2005 and 2006. If someone owned GM stock after this point then.... well, what can I say? When a company has to restate earnings and delay earning reports then something is drastically wrong within that company and management is trying to (or has been) covering something up.

Some of us amateur investors own GMC motorhomes too! The money our investments throw off puts gas in the tank and oil in the crankcase. And we're too cheap to take the depreciation hit on newer RV's. Some of us cheapskates also keep the old Onan power drawer generator because it works just fine and replacing the fuel line is not really that hard. Someday I might justify a newer, bigger RV but for now the GMC is just fine for what we do.

Just my opinion!


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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233367 is a reply to message #233365] Tue, 17 December 2013 19:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Frankly, I'm amazed GM lasted as long as they did.

Plato seems wrong to me today.
On Dec 17, 2013 5:26 PM, "Bob Heller" <rheller@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

>
>
> I had to smile when you guys sort of mentioned the GM bankruptcy debacle.
> As an amateur investor I try to get information about a company as facts &
> figures, not as bs from some talking head on TV or from a financial
> "advisor" who is probably a glorified salesman making great commissions on
> what he sells (he makes money whether you win or lose). Some of us stayed
> far away from GM stock in the mid 2000's.
>
> The internet is a great thing, I don't have to go find the paper article
> anymore, I just google it. Here's a link to an article from October 2005
> (over eight years ago):
>
> http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/gm-headed-for-bankruptcy-8811
>
>
> Here's another one from November 2005:
>
>
> http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/gold-at-18-year-high-gm-bankruptcy-ahead-8323
>
>
>
> There's more regarding a GM bankruptcy that Martin Weiss wrote at that
> time but these 2 articles should light the fire. If anyone owned GM stock
> after the fall of 2005 then that's you're own fault, nobody forced you to
> buy a poor investment. Nobody forced you to own too much of one company or
> of one industry.
>
> Two figures I like to see when evaluating a company are the market cap
> (how much they are 'worth') and the bare cash (how much of that 'worth' is
> debt). 10 years ago GM was in debt up to it's eyeballs and only getting
> worse. After about 2006 there was no way out, their debt was so huge. Some
> of us knew that bankruptcy was inevitable, it was just a matter of when. In
> 2006 when GM had to restate earnings that was the final bit of info we
> needed to stay far far away. In hindsight I should've shorted a bunch of GM
> shares in 2005 and 2006. If someone owned GM stock after this point
> then.... well, what can I say? When a company has to restate earnings and
> delay earning reports then something is drastically wrong within that
> company and management is trying to (or has been) covering something up.
>
> Some of us amateur investors own GMC motorhomes too! The money our
> investments throw off puts gas in the tank and oil in the crankcase. And
> we're too cheap to take the depreciation hit on newer RV's. Some of us
> cheapskates also keep the old Onan power drawer generator because it works
> just fine and replacing the fuel line is not really that hard. Someday I
> might justify a newer, bigger RV but for now the GMC is just fine for what
> we do.
>
> Just my opinion!
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> 1974 X-Canyonlands 26ft
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Re: Replacing Onan Fuel Line [message #233388 is a reply to message #233365] Wed, 18 December 2013 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Read what bobby5832708 wrote on Tue, 17 December 2013 20:26
Quote:


Just my opinion!

Bob Heller


Bob,

=> ¡¡Caution!! While some may construe the following as political or even hate speech, it is fact and can be verified, but only outside the mainstream media. <=

Your opinion is as valid as anybody else's, but please crowd that thought with the facts that I started my investment program over forty years ago.

I did not own any auto company stock, what I had there were corporate bonds. Bonds are only worth doing if you have the fed screwing around with "Lucky Bucks" as they did during the during an administration of the early 70's. They were just an inflation hedge and not a real growth investment. The fact that, until this administration, there was a very small potential for loss was the only attraction. It was as if the bond holder owned a piece of the company real estate or a monster stamping press. If the company liquidated, bond holders were only in line behind the IRS when they start paying off the creditors. When things started going bad I looked at selling out before the bonds matured, but by then I would have taken a beating.

That was then, this is now. The rule of law has been demonstrated to be now longer a restriction on the government. (See PP/ACA rule changes on the fly.)

When the plan administrator told us that he had been offered less in payment for those bonds than it would cost him to recover said value, he suggested that we all just write it off as a casualty loss as he would not pursue it any farther. That was a fine plan, but I already had too little income to write a loss this size of within the IRS rules that were still fully enforced on the citizens.

The plan administrator also made a proposal to those still looking for stable investments that the plan could take their investment dollars to India, Argentina and China.

Matt


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