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Sun, 15 December 2013 13:07  |
KB
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We've been struggling with a leak on the transmission for a long time,
but it's recently gotten a lot worse. We think it's coming from the bottom
pan gasket area. Re-torquing the bolts didn't help. I've pulled the pan and will
try straightening out the flange/holes and replacing the gasket, but am considering
an aluminum replacement if that doesn't work.
so, how well have aluminum pans worked out? Is there a difference between the
ragusa and rockwell versions? I've read of some of them having
casting flaws or porosity that causes them to weep fluid.
Are they more fragile than the originals (eg, if hit by road debris, the orignal
will likely just bend, as ours clearly has.)
The extra fluid capacity and drain bung would be great, but we really just need
to stop leaking fluid.
thanks
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233133 is a reply to message #233132] |
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Karen,
I can’t speak to the Rockwell pan but my Beloved PO installed a RAGUSA pan long ago and it does not leak. In my imagination he had some transmission issues because I have a Marvin Peck final drive, the RAGUSA pan, and a transmission temperature gauge under the dash. I don’t have any leaks and the only issue with my transmission is that after sitting a while it takes a moment to engage first gear. I suspect this is normal, as the torque converter has probably drained down over time. I am generally impressed with the quality of RAGUSA’s products, though it’s not high-tech stuff - a bumper step, a door handle, an air deflector, etc., still the quality is good. Jim K probably has it all in stock and the RAGUSA folks are here in California, the land of creativity, tolerance, and fredom.
I’d guess that the Rockwell pan was created to solve a problem, but I’m not sure what that problem is.
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233139 is a reply to message #233132] |
Sun, 15 December 2013 15:12 |
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[quote title=KB wrote on Sun, 15 December 2013 11:07]We've been struggling with a leak on the transmission for a long time,
but it's recently gotten a lot worse. We think it's coming from the bottom
pan gasket area. Re-torquing the bolts didn't help. I've pulled the pan and will
try straightening out the flange/holes and replacing the gasket, but am considering
an aluminum replacement if that doesn't work.
so, how well have aluminum pans worked out? Is there a difference between the
ragusa and rockwell versions? I've read of some of them having
casting flaws or porosity that causes them to weep fluid.
Are they more fragile than the originals (eg, if hit by road debris, the orignal
will likely just bend, as ours clearly has.)
The extra fluid capacity and drain bung would be great, but we really just need
to stop leaking fluid.
thanks
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
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[/quote. Karen are you sure it is the gasket? Mine was leaking around several pan bolts. I replaced the bolts with flange bolts as they had a built in flat washer on the head and put RTV on the bolt before putting it in. ]
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233141 is a reply to message #233139] |
Sun, 15 December 2013 15:35 |
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Karen, Remove the steel pan and clean it. Put a good straight edge on the
mating flange. If the pan is pulled up in the area of the pan bolts, use a
solid backup on the bottom side of the flange and a body hammer and level
them out. Use a good hypalon gasket and "The Right Stuff" permatex gasket
sealant, (I like the 5 minute formula), and button it up. On all bolts
that penetrate the interior of the trans case, use sealant there also. You
should be good to go for a long time. I have a Ragusa pan on my trans, and
it seeped fluid through the porous casting. I removed it, tanked it, and
sealed the interior with GLYPTAL. Baked it at 150 for 4 hours. Installed it
as I described above and no more leaks for 20000 miles. Either pan will
work fine.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Gmc Royale 403
On Dec 15, 2013 1:12 PM, <roy@gmcnet.org> wrote:
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> [quote title=KB wrote on Sun, 15 December 2013 11:07]We've been struggling
> with a leak on the transmission for a long time,
> but it's recently gotten a lot worse. We think it's coming from the bottom
> pan gasket area. Re-torquing the bolts didn't help. I've pulled the pan
> and will
> try straightening out the flange/holes and replacing the gasket, but am
> considering
> an aluminum replacement if that doesn't work.
>
> so, how well have aluminum pans worked out? Is there a difference between
> the
> ragusa and rockwell versions? I've read of some of them having
> casting flaws or porosity that causes them to weep fluid.
> Are they more fragile than the originals (eg, if hit by road debris, the
> orignal
> will likely just bend, as ours clearly has.)
>
> The extra fluid capacity and drain bung would be great, but we really just
> need
> to stop leaking fluid.
>
> thanks
> Karen
> 1973 23'
> 1975 26'
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> [/quote. Karen are you sure it is the gasket? Mine was leaking around
> several pan bolts. I replaced the bolts with flange bolts as they had a
> bolt in flat washer on the head and rtv on the bolt before putting it in.
> ]
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> Minden,NV
> 76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233145 is a reply to message #233133] |
Sun, 15 December 2013 15:55 |
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Larry,
Re: "California, the land of creativity, tolerance, and freedom."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CDFxeB7Y-s
;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: Larry Davick
Karen,
I can’t speak to the Rockwell pan but my Beloved PO installed a RAGUSA pan long ago and it does not leak. In my imagination he had
some transmission issues because I have a Marvin Peck final drive, the RAGUSA pan, and a transmission temperature gauge under the
dash. I don’t have any leaks and the only issue with my transmission is that after sitting a while it takes a moment to engage
first gear. I suspect this is normal, as the torque converter has probably drained down over time. I am generally impressed with
the quality of RAGUSA’s products, though it’s not high-tech stuff - a bumper step, a door handle, an air deflector, etc., still the
quality is good. Jim K probably has it all in stock and the RAGUSA folks are here in California, the land of creativity, tolerance,
and fredom.
I’d guess that the Rockwell pan was created to solve a problem, but I’m not sure what that problem is.
Larry
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233146 is a reply to message #233132] |
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Karen,
You probably already know this trick but I thought I would mention it for those who don't. When you remove the pan it is likely that
you'll find the area under the bolts dimpled towards the transmission. Take a 2 x 4 and support the lips on two sides of the
transmission cover as it is installed on the trans. Take a ball peen hammer and put the ball into the bolt holes and use a second
hammer to dimple it away from the transmission.
Coat the transmission flange with PermatexR Aviation Form-A-GasketR No. 3.
http://www.permatex.com/products-2/product-categories/gasketing/gasket-sealants/permatex--aviation-form-a-gasket--no--3-sealant-liqu
id-detail
Coat the transmission pan flange with PermatexR Aviation Form-A-GasketR No. 3 before installing the gasket.
I learned about the Permatex from Manny. He also coats the chain drive cover with the same stuff.
I welded a drain bung and temp pickup in bottom of the trans pan for Double Trouble.
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: KB
We've been struggling with a leak on the transmission for a long time,
but it's recently gotten a lot worse. We think it's coming from the bottom
pan gasket area. Re-torquing the bolts didn't help. I've pulled the pan and will
try straightening out the flange/holes and replacing the gasket, but am considering
an aluminum replacement if that doesn't work.
so, how well have aluminum pans worked out? Is there a difference between the
ragusa and rockwell versions? I've read of some of them having
casting flaws or porosity that causes them to weep fluid.
Are they more fragile than the originals (eg, if hit by road debris, the orignal
will likely just bend, as ours clearly has.)
The extra fluid capacity and drain bung would be great, but we really just need
to stop leaking fluid.
thanks
Karen
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233150 is a reply to message #233132] |
Sun, 15 December 2013 17:14 |
George Beckman
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| KB wrote on Sun, 15 December 2013 11:07 |
We've been struggling with a leak on the transmission for a long time,
but it's recently gotten a lot worse. We think it's coming from the bottom
pan gasket area. Re-torquing the bolts didn't help. I've pulled the pan and will
try straightening out the flange/holes and replacing the gasket, but am considering
an aluminum replacement if that doesn't work.
thanks
Karen
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Karen.
I did many of the things you have tried. Ours was a cooler tube connection on the top of the trans. They go into the housing about an inch and a half above a little valley in the case. The little valley has a worm hole in the bulkhead to the top of the transmission. From ther the oil ran to the copilot side and down the side to the top of the valve body. It then ran forward and looked like pan bolts were dripping.
One hint for me was if I hadn't to brake hard and then parked, it dripped quite a bit sometimes. Other runs around the block to see if I fixed it showed no fluid, raising false hope.
You won't see fluid unless you stand on your head and look when it is running. The little valley will have no standing fluid.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233154 is a reply to message #233132] |
Sun, 15 December 2013 17:49 |
KB
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I had read before about possible leaks down the threads of the bolts
so we looked carefully at them all while the pan was down. There must be
some variation in different years; on ours, none of the bolts
go through into where the fluid is. Most of them bolt through the flange
around the bottom of the tranny and out into open air. The rear ones bolt into
blind holes.
I know for sure that leaking down the threads is a way for water to
get into the coach on any bolts/screws through the roof, so I've no doubt
it can be an issue.
thanks
Karen
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233163 is a reply to message #233154] |
Sun, 15 December 2013 19:18 |
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If you have the pan off do the little o ring seal on the shift shaft. It costs about a buck. It was the leak on the Pigs trans. Add a drain bolt to the cover while it's off too.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Dec 15, 2013, at 3:49 PM, KB <kab7@sonic.net> wrote:
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> I had read before about possible leaks down the threads of the bolts
> so we looked carefully at them all while the pan was down. There must be
> some variation in different years; on ours, none of the bolts
> go through into where the fluid is. Most of them bolt through the flange
> around the bottom of the tranny and out into open air. The rear ones bolt into
> blind holes.
>
> I know for sure that leaking down the threads is a way for water to
> get into the coach on any bolts/screws through the roof, so I've no doubt
> it can be an issue.
>
> thanks
> Karen
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233175 is a reply to message #233132] |
Sun, 15 December 2013 20:05 |
KB
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> I did many of the things you have tried. Ours was a cooler tube connection on the top of the trans. They go into the housing about an inch and a half above a little valley in the case. The little valley has a worm hole in the bulkhead to the top of the transmission. From ther the oil ran to the copilot side and down the side to the top of the valve body. It then ran forward and looked like pan bolts were dripping.
I thought it might be the cooler tubes, so wrapped paper towels around them in various
places and let it sit. Didn't see any staining though. I have to wonder -- does the
fluid get that high when it's just sitting in the driveway? I pulled the fill tube thinking
that might be it, but found the fluid level below the opening in the case where the tube
bolts in. In other words, nothing came out even with the tube removed. That makes
me imagine the fluid level must not be high enough to drip out of the cooler lines,
which are even higher, if the tranny isn't running. Dunno though.
Ours is leaking off the back of the pan (ie, to the rear of the coach).
It's a lot too -- measured about a pint of fluid (which we caught in pan)
after only a couple of weeks sitting.
thanks
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233180 is a reply to message #233175] |
Sun, 15 December 2013 20:33 |
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Having had one of each, both Ragusa and Rockwell ( different coaches), I cannot think of any real difference between the two. Advantages of more Trans fluid, and greater cooling capacity is nice to have.
The Ragusa never leaked. I installed a VDO temp gauge and was convinced, running on flat ground, that the new gauge was bad because the needle never moved. Finally, into the mountains of Virginia, it moved. Temperature was not high enough to register in the 90 degree gauge face of the VDO set-up. The Ragusa never leaked or seeped Trans fluid.
The Rockwell continues to seep fluid past the gasket. I am on my second rendition of gasket and not exactly happy with the results. My current pan gasket is hypalon with red RTV applied to both sides. Both pan and transmission were checked with straight edge for flat. This Spring, I will change to the Manny solution. The Rockwell does not seep thru the casting. I understand that there was some clearance issues in the rear edge of the early pans, but this area has been relieved and clears the chain case.
I enjoy the extra quart of Trans fluid decreasing Trans oil temperatures. I try not to hit road debris, so I do not know if either pan will shatter on impact.
Tom, MS II, with 3 moving loads to Al.
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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Sun, 15 December 2013 22:21 |
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Karen,
Since we have been selling both pans, I can tell you at this present time
that I rather supply a Ragusa pan.
Rockwell unit was caste with finer aluminum , but there are some strange
things that is happening.
We have encountered problems with Ragusa well.
Karen, we back both , should one leak, we send you anther n/c then send a
call tag to pick up the defective so you do not need to pay freight.
Both pans dissipate heat and have ports for temperature sensor and drain.
Our price same as Ragusa, but Ragusa will not cover freight in case of leak
or other defects.
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Thomas Phipps <tph1pp5@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Having had one of each, both Ragusa and Rockwell ( different coaches), I
> cannot think of any real difference between the two. Advantages of more
> Trans fluid, and greater cooling capacity is nice to have.
> The Ragusa never leaked. I installed a VDO temp gauge and was convinced,
> running on flat ground, that the new gauge was bad because the needle never
> moved. Finally, into the mountains of Virginia, it moved. Temperature was
> not high enough to register in the 90 degree gauge face of the VDO set-up.
> The Ragusa never leaked or seeped Trans fluid.
> The Rockwell continues to seep fluid past the gasket. I am on my second
> rendition of gasket and not exactly happy with the results. My current pan
> gasket is neophane with red RTV applied to both sides. Both pan and
> transmission were checked with straight edge for flat. This Spring, I will
> change to the Manny solution. The Rockwell does not seep thru the casting.
> I understand that there was some clearance issues in the rear edge of the
> early pans, but this area has been relieved and clears the chain case.
> I enjoy the extra quart of Trans fluid decreasing Trans oil temperatures.
> I try not to hit road debris, so I do not know if either pan will shatter
> on impact.
> Tom, MS II, with 3 moving loads to Al.
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233192 is a reply to message #233145] |
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10,000 posts and I get this!
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, CA
On Dec 15, 2013, at 1:57 PM, Robert Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Larry,
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> Re: "California, the land of creativity, tolerance, and freedom."
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CDFxeB7Y-s
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> ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233213 is a reply to message #233132] |
Mon, 16 December 2013 12:38 |
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I have a Ragusa pan.
No leaks at all.
I did have problems with poorly made transmission filters
that did not fit properly and interfered with the pan,
causing the pan not to seat properly.
Regards,
Bill
Bill Wevers GMC49ers, GMC Western States
1975 Glenbrook - Manny Powerdrive, OneTon
455 F Block, G heads
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Larry,
I got it from a friend in Pennsylvania; the Texans I forwarded it to LOVED it!
No offence meant note all the ;-)'s.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
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10,000 posts and I get this!
Larry Davick
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A,
I am all for individual freedom. WITHIN LIMITS! For example I do not think freedom of speech includes yelling FIRE in a crowded
theater causing a panic. Nor do I think someone that VOLUNTARILY moves into a subdivision that has a HOA should violate the rules of
that subdivision because they believe it restricts their individual freedom.
HOWEVER, if a HOA abuses its power then I would do everything within my power to rein it in - LEGALLY!
I was on the Secretary of the Owners Corporation Executive Committee (OCEC) of the complex where we have our factory unit. Part of
my job was to enforce the By-Laws. Here's a sample of the By-Laws:
1) Owners / tenants are not allowed to park on common property
2) Owners / tenants are not allowed to leave dumpsters outside their units
3) Owners / tenants are not to store materials on common property
4) Owners are not to dump rubbish on common property
5) Automotive spray paint businesses are not allowed
6) Fiberglass fabrication businesses are not allowed
7) Brothels are not allowed (they are legal in New South Wales)
Pretty easy rules to follow wouldn't you say?
You would not believe the number of times I had to have the agent that managed the property issue Notices to Comply for items 1-4.
The owner / tenants would call me up and abuse me and I'd refer them to the By-Laws.
We never had anyone try to start an automotive spray paint shop or a fiberglass fabrication business; however, I did get a call from
one of the owners that wanted to rent his unit to a guy that wanted to run a brothel. I told him NO WAY! He replied, "if the
committee turns a blind eye I guarantee you'll get all the free sex you want!"
I would constantly get complaints noting that the By-Law the owner or tenant had breached was ridiculous. My retort was simple, did
you read the By-Laws before you purchased your unit? If the answer was no I'd say that's THEIR problem they should have done so. If
the answer was yes I'd say then why did you purchase your unit if you didn't agree with the By-Laws?
They would also say we (OCEC) should be flexible. That meant they should be allowed to break the By-Law because it wasn't important
to them but the MINUTE someone broke a By-Law that WAS important to them they would scream blue bloody murder!
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: A.
This might be a good sign. In the HOA discussion, Rob seemed to be in favor of them. Unless it was done tongue-in-cheek, that post
of a youtube video might imply a change of heart, towards more individual freedom instead of away from it.
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233327 is a reply to message #233290] |
Tue, 17 December 2013 11:51 |
A Hamilto
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 17 December 2013 00:15 |
...Nor do I think someone that VOLUNTARILY moves into a subdivision that has a HOA should violate the rules of that subdivision because they believe it restricts their individual freedom.
HOWEVER, if a HOA abuses its power then I would do everything within my power to rein it in - LEGALLY!...
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Rob,
I think you are misunderstanding my point. I am not saying that anything can be gained by fighting them or bucking their rules, I am saying they should not exist in a residential setting in the first place. Coops for things like trash and snow removal are one thing, but there is really no excuse for neighbors telling other neighbors how to manage their affairs.
When HOAs expand their intrusion into personal freedom by dictating what color one can paint his front door, or prohibiting the installation of energy improving window film, etc., they are out of line.
Once you buy a residence under the thumb of an HOA, you are screwed. You have no choice but to knuckle under, so just do it.
Again, I am not saying to run renegade in your neighborhood. I am saying that HOAs should never have been allowed the powers they have, should never have been allowed to devolve into the fascist organizations they are. Ideally, that would have been accomplished by preventing them from coming into existence in the first place.
If one has a chance to prevent one from coming into existence, one needs to do so.
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| Re: [GMCnet] opinions/experience with aluminum tranny pans? [message #233348 is a reply to message #233132] |
Tue, 17 December 2013 15:51 |
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Thanks Jim. If I can't get the old pan to seal, I'll be getting
an aluminum pan from you.
thanks
Karen
> Since we have been selling both pans, I can tell you at this present time
> that I rather supply a Ragusa pan.
> Rockwell unit was caste with finer aluminum , but there are some strange
> things that is happening.
> We have encountered problems with Ragusa well.
> Karen, we back both , should one leak, we send you anther n/c then send a
> call tag to pick up the defective so you do not need to pay freight.
> Both pans dissipate heat and have ports for temperature sensor and drain.
> Our price same as Ragusa, but Ragusa will not cover freight in case of leak
> or other defects.
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