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Airbag cones [message #232727] Mon, 09 December 2013 15:05 Go to next message
Richard RV   United States
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The question came up about when the airbag cones were changed over to aluminum. I was under the impression that GM started with plastic and switched to aluminum when the plastic cones experienced some failures. Then some more knowledgeable people said that even later cones were plastic.

The parts manual only has one number for the cones.

Anyone know what went on with the cones during production and whether there was a changeover or whether plastic and aluminum were both used throughout production? If the latter, why would they do that?

Thanks

Richard


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Re: [GMCnet] Airbag cones [message #232731 is a reply to message #232727] Mon, 09 December 2013 15:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Richard,
It really doesn’t matter, if you have plastic cones, you need to get them off the coach and throw them as far as you can into a lake, river or landfill. They are DANGEROUS and can cause damage and injury. Get Them Off the coach.
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On Dec 9, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Richard <GMC77Birchaven@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> The question came up about when the airbag cones were changed over to aluminum. I was under the impression that GM started with plastic and switched to aluminum when the plastic cones experienced some failures. Then some more knowledgeable people said that even later cones were plastic.
>
> The parts manual only has one number for the cones.
>
> Anyone know what went on with the cones during production and whether there was a changeover or whether plastic and aluminum were both used throughout production? If the latter, why would they do that?
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
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Re: [GMCnet] Airbag cones [message #232732 is a reply to message #232731] Mon, 09 December 2013 15:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There are some aluminum cones on Ebay right now:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Classic-GMC-motorhome-air-bag-cone-1973-74-76-77-olds-403-455-vintage-/291032868090?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories& ;hash=item43c2e924fa&vxp=mtr


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Re: [GMCnet] Airbag cones [message #232735 is a reply to message #232727] Mon, 09 December 2013 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Richard,

Re: "Then some more knowledgeable people said that even later cones were plastic." The more knowledgeable people that said that are
not! More knowledgeable that is! ;-)

The cones were changed from plastic to aluminum period end of story. Don't know when, maybe Bill Bryant can shed some light on when.

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Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard

The question came up about when the airbag cones were changed over to aluminum. I was under the impression that GM started with
plastic and switched to aluminum when the plastic cones experienced some failures. Then some more knowledgeable people said that
even later cones were plastic.

The parts manual only has one number for the cones.

Anyone know what went on with the cones during production and whether there was a changeover or whether plastic and aluminum were
both used throughout production? If the latter, why would they do that?

Thanks

Richard

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Re: [GMCnet] Airbag cones [message #232737 is a reply to message #232731] Mon, 09 December 2013 16:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I guess I wasn't clear about my reason for asking. I don't have plastic cones. It's idle...fast idle?, curiousity. Wink

I'd just like to know more about the cone material changeover during production and whether it was gradual, abrupt or non-existent. Has anyone personally experienced a plastic cone failure?

Thanks

Richard


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Re: [GMCnet] Airbag cones [message #232739 is a reply to message #232732] Mon, 09 December 2013 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow! $38 each plus $14 ahipping!

A friend of mine has some for less than 1/2 of that at $25 delivered.

Emery Stora

On Dec 9, 2013, at 2:38 PM, David Orders <dao@oarsllc.com> wrote:

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> There are some aluminum cones on Ebay right now:
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> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Classic-GMC-motorhome-air-bag-cone-1973-74-76-77-olds-403-455-vintage-/291032868090?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories& ;hash=item43c2e924fa&vxp=mtr
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Re: [GMCnet] Airbag cones [message #232743 is a reply to message #232737] Mon, 09 December 2013 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Richard V. wrote on Mon, 09 December 2013 16:01

I guess I wasn't clear about my reason for asking. I don't have plastic cones. It's idle...fast idle?, curiousity. Wink

I'd just like to know more about the cone material changeover during production and whether it was gradual, abrupt or non-existent. Has anyone personally experienced a plastic cone failure?

Thanks

Richard


Richard,

What I have heard -- the first cones were black -- and reportedly those are the ones which experienced failure. Next came grey cones -- then aluminum. Cannot find the info in a brief search.

The plastic had a much smoother finish than many aluminum. I think the aluminum deserve a good polishing to remove the casting slag -- and it "might" reduce wear.

Dennis


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Re: [GMCnet] Airbag cones [message #232750 is a reply to message #232743] Mon, 09 December 2013 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Some of the confusion here is that they went from plastic to bright aluminum then to aluminum ones with a black coating. Many people think the newest ones are plastic until they scratch them and see the shiny aluminum under the coating.

Emery Stora

On Dec 9, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com> wrote:

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> Richard V. wrote on Mon, 09 December 2013 16:01
>> I guess I wasn't clear about my reason for asking. I don't have plastic cones. It's idle...fast idle?, curiousity. ;)
>>
>> I'd just like to know more about the cone material changeover during production and whether it was gradual, abrupt or non-existent. Has anyone personally experienced a plastic cone failure?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Richard
>
>
> Richard,
>
> What I have heard -- the first cones were black -- and reportedly those are the ones which experienced failure. Next came grey cones -- then aluminum. Cannot find the info in a brief search.
>
> The plastic had a much smoother finish than many aluminum. I think the aluminum deserve a good polishing to remove the casting slag -- and it "might" reduce wear.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Airbag cones [message #232758 is a reply to message #232750] Mon, 09 December 2013 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Emery,

Yep! I've got a NOS bag and I thought it had plastic cones cause it was black until I did as you noted below and found it was
aluminum.

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Rob M.

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Some of the confusion here is that they went from plastic to bright aluminum then to aluminum ones with a black coating. Many
people think the newest ones are plastic until they scratch them and see the shiny aluminum under the coating.

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Re: [GMCnet] Airbag cones [message #232760 is a reply to message #232758] Mon, 09 December 2013 18:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The plastic cones do not have webbing -- visible on the back side.

Mike's photos...

aluminum

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/1973-sequoia-tze063v101455/p48038-1973-gmc-sequoia-260-ebay-item-111027298421.html

versus plastic...

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/1973-sequoia-tze063v101455/p48037-1973-gmc-sequoia-260-ebay-item-111027298421.html

Dennis

Robert Mueller wrote on Mon, 09 December 2013 17:40

Emery,

Yep! I've got a NOS bag and I thought it had plastic cones cause it was black until I did as you noted below and found it was
aluminum.

Regards,
Rob M.

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From: Emery Stora

Some of the confusion here is that they went from plastic to bright aluminum then to aluminum ones with a black coating. Many
people think the newest ones are plastic until they scratch them and see the shiny aluminum under the coating.

Emery Stora


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Re: [GMCnet] Airbag cones [message #232767 is a reply to message #232735] Mon, 09 December 2013 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"The question came up about when the airbag cones were changed over to aluminum."
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Everybody please reset. This is a very simple question (it appears above).

I have looked at GMCMH parts books from January 1973 thru 78Z in 1979. The same part number was used for ALL years which is the plastic P/N.

I have also looked at the Service Bulletins, have not seen any identifying any change for air bag CONES.

Have seen no indication of a plastic cone recall.

SO, the question being asked was "when was the change to aluminum* cones made?

thank you
Bill


* An answer might be, they were not introduced until after production ended, I don't know, just throwing it out there.






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Re: [GMCnet] Airbag cones [message #232773 is a reply to message #232767] Mon, 09 December 2013 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 9, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Bill Bryant <bryant374@earthlink.net> wrote:

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> * An answer might be, they were not introduced until after production ended, I don't know, just throwing it out there.
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I agree that the parts book and the maintenance manual appears to be silent on this issue, but I can say with certainty that they were introduced at least by 1996. My early 1977 had alum
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Re: [GMCnet] Airbag cones [message #232862 is a reply to message #232767] Tue, 10 December 2013 20:13 Go to previous message
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I am requesting feedback to an air bag/cone question for 1978 model GMCs only.

QUESTION:

Do you have knowledge of any 1978 GMCs that came NEW with plastic cones?

If you do, how early or late is it. (Last 4 of TZE is ideal)

Thank you,
Bill


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