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Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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Is everybody out there OK?

I put up the title and then started to think.
If you don't have electric power and internet, don't bother to answer. (Can you say DUH?)

The big line squall came through here last night and we have been out of power and broadband both since late last night. I just noticed that KenB said they got part of it and I got messages when I first got wire that both Cleveland and Pittsburgh got hit pretty hard. That has to mean that a lot of others did too.

"Alright Smartass - how are you doing what you are doing"
Well, traveling by GMC gets one good practice at using battery power and tethering to your phone. I have to either go out and buy more gas if I can find a station with power, or get out all the long cables and connectors to run the house from the GMC (nice to have a redundant backup). I'll get those cables laid out before dark just in case the power company misses their target and/or something happens to the 40yo Honda running the house right now.

Matt


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Re: Is everybody out there OK? [message #230160 is a reply to message #230155] Mon, 18 November 2013 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMC Cruse is currently offline  GMC Cruse   United States
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Matt Colie wrote on Mon, 18 November 2013 12:30

Is everybody out there OK?

I put up the title and then started to think.
If you don't have electric power and internet, don't bother to answer. (Can you say DUH?)

The big line squall came through here last night and we have been out of power and broadband both since late last night. I just noticed that KenB said they got part of it and I got messages when I first got wire that both Cleveland and Pittsburgh got hit pretty hard. That has to mean that a lot of others did too.

"Alright Smartass - how are you doing what you are doing"
Well, traveling by GMC gets one good practice at using battery power and tethering to your phone. I have to either go out and buy more gas if I can find a station with power, or get out all the long cables and connectors to run the house from the GMC (nice to have a redundant backup). I'll get those cables laid out before dark just in case the power company misses their target and/or something happens to the 40yo Honda running the house right now.

Matt


I looked at the DTE outage map earlier, your area got hit hard for outages and only part of your street has been restored already so they must at least be working in your area. No estimated time given though.

Looks like I got lucky, map shows large outage area starting about three houses from me. My parents live about 1.5 miles away and outage extends to about two houses from them. I was going to take the GMC to their place if they were without power and hook them up to the Onan.


Mike K. '75 PB Southeast Michigan
Re: Is everybody out there OK? [message #230165 is a reply to message #230160] Mon, 18 November 2013 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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""I looked at the DTE outage map earlier, your area got hit hard for outages and only part of your street has been restored already so they must at least be working in your area. No estimated time given though.

Looks like I got lucky, map shows large outage area starting about three houses from me. My parents live about 1.5 miles away and outage extends to about two houses from them. I was going to take the GMC to their place if they were without power and hook them up to the Onan.


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Mike K. '75 PB Southeast Michigan""

I recall many times when I lived in Holly Michigan, DTE would report regularly that 50,000 were without power, then 10,000 then 500, then all power restored. In the meanwhile I couldn't see a light on anywhere. It seems we weren't eeven on the radar.


Bob de Kruyff
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Re: Is everybody out there OK? [message #230169 is a reply to message #230155] Mon, 18 November 2013 14:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I maybe asking a dumb question but what are your guys using to "hook em up with"

Just a standard RV dogbone? the 50 to 15/20 amp kind?

or have you made something? pictures? wiring diagrams?

I was thinking I want a cable that will run 2 separate leads each with the 20amp that the onan puts out.


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Re: [GMCnet] Is everybody out there OK? [message #230171 is a reply to message #230169] Mon, 18 November 2013 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Johnson is currently offline  Michael Johnson   United States
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What is a dogbone?
On Nov 18, 2013 1:42 PM, "1275gtsport@gmail.com" <1275gtsport@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> I maybe asking a dumb question but what are your guys using to "hook em up
> with"
>
> Just a standard RV dogbone? the 50 to 15/20 amp kind?
>
> or have you made something? pictures? wiring diagrams?
>
> I was thinking I want a cable that will run 2 separate leads each with the
> 20amp that the onan puts out.
> --
> Adam Raeburn
> Rothesay, NB
> 1976 Austin Mini
> 1977 GMC Palm Beach
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Once you replace everything that is attached to something else. It will
> all be fixed.
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Re: [GMCnet] Is everybody out there OK? [message #230172 is a reply to message #230165] Mon, 18 November 2013 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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I MIGHT UNDERSTAND why a person might be a victim to tornado damage ONCE!.
But once you see what kind of mayhem they cause, why would anyone ever be
in the way of two of them. Much less, erect an above ground stick built
structure without a well equipped storm cellar. Thanks, but no thank you.
We on the west coast refer to manufactured homes as "Tornado Magnets". I
know that Mac has had his GMC damaged on two occasions by Tornados. Must
really love the area to risk that kind of hazard. I hope all of you guys
are OK in the path of those things. I have a Sister in Alton, Il. Hope she
is Ok too.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC Royale 403
On Nov 18, 2013 12:21 PM, "Bob de Kruyff" <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:

>
>
> ""I looked at the DTE outage map earlier, your area got hit hard for
> outages and only part of your street has been restored already so they must
> at least be working in your area. No estimated time given though.
>
> Looks like I got lucky, map shows large outage area starting about three
> houses from me. My parents live about 1.5 miles away and outage extends to
> about two houses from them. I was going to take the GMC to their place if
> they were without power and hook them up to the Onan.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mike K. '75 PB Southeast Michigan""
>
> I recall many times when I lived in Holly Michigan, DTE would report
> regularly that 50,000 were without power, then 10,000 then 500, then all
> power restored. In the meanwhile I couldn't see a light on anywhere. It
> seems we weren't eeven on the radar.
> --
> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] Is everybody out there OK? [message #230175 is a reply to message #230172] Mon, 18 November 2013 15:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tphipps is currently offline  tphipps   United States
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"dogbone" refers to the power cord adapter plugs that allow you to connect your GMC power plug to whatever type of power plug that the campground has on the power pedestal. Most people have several different types. Probably most common are 50 amp 4 prong to 30 amp 3 prong. However, with a little looking around, you can find about every combination that you can think of.
This does not allow you to draw any more power than the lowest rated adapter, but allows you to get something.
Running from two different outside outlets will more than likely trip your GFI, and not do you any good. I have assembled a 50 amp dryer outlet with two 30 amp male cords that will work at some locations.
Tom, MS II With enough different dogbones to get from 50 amp to 15 amp.



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Re: [GMCnet] Is everybody out there OK? [message #230176 is a reply to message #230171] Mon, 18 November 2013 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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I think it might be a term applied to the adaptors used to go between different types of electrical connections.

I have many different adaptors from the days when I had a large power boat and planned to cruise on it.

Adam mentioned the 50 Amp 250V "shore power" to 15 and 20 Amp 125V variety.

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> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:47:10 -0700
> From: lhasaonmymind@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Is everybody out there OK?
>
> What is a dogbone?
> On Nov 18, 2013 1:42 PM, "1275gtsport@gmail.com" <1275gtsport@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I maybe asking a dumb question but what are your guys using to "hook em up
> > with"
> >
> > Just a standard RV dogbone? the 50 to 15/20 amp kind?
> >
> > or have you made something? pictures? wiring diagrams?
> >
> > I was thinking I want a cable that will run 2 separate leads each with the
> > 20amp that the onan puts out.
> > --
> > Adam Raeburn
> > Rothesay, NB
> > 1976 Austin Mini
> > 1977 GMC Palm Beach

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Re: Is everybody out there OK? [message #230187 is a reply to message #230169] Mon, 18 November 2013 17:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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1275gtsport wrote on Mon, 18 November 2013 15:42

>I maybe asking a dumb question but what are your guys using to "hook em up with"
An item often referred to (for good reason) as a suicide cable.
>Just a standard RV dogbone? the 50 to 15/20 amp kind?
Nope
>or have you made something? pictures? wiring diagrams?
As nobody with a conscience would sell it to you, we that have them - made them.
>I was thinking I want a cable that will run 2 separate leads each with the 20amp that the onan puts out.

That last is easy and safe as long as you never have power to exposed pins. I would draw you a diagram and a parts list for this if you are interested.

That "hot pins" problem is the difficult thing to get around when you "back feed" and existing system. It should be difficult. It is very dangerous to power up anything that everybody else expects is unpowered. This is why real transfer switches are complex and have redundant safeties.

No, I will not draw you a diagram of a back feed or suicide cable. If you don't understand it from a simple description (nothing personal), then it is not something that you should mess around with at all. These things are so dangerous that many of us that have them do not store them assembled. It is a real PITA to sit in the light of your Coleman lamp to assemble the cable, but in the mean time, nobody got his ass killed by it.

Matt


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Re: Is everybody out there OK? [message #230188 is a reply to message #230155] Mon, 18 November 2013 17:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just wind and rain here yesterday afternoon. Whenever doing a less than full transfer switch type generator temp hook up, be sure you are not back feeding the service entrance. Good way to injure or kill a line worker who thinks the juice is off from his end, only to get zapped from the load side.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Re: Is everybody out there OK? [message #230189 is a reply to message #230155] Mon, 18 November 2013 17:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
1275gtsport is currently offline  1275gtsport   Canada
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I am going to start a new thread with more detail as to what I want. sorry to highjack.


Adam Raeburn
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1977 GMC Palm Beach
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Re: Is everybody out there OK? [message #230200 is a reply to message #230189] Mon, 18 November 2013 18:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you run a generator to provide emergency power to a house...

BE SURE TO TURN OFF THE MAIN BREAKER SO YOU DON'T BACK FEED TO THE POWER COMPANY LINES!!! YOU COULD KILL A LINEMAN OUT TRYING TO FIX YOUR POWER LINES.


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Re: Is everybody out there OK? [message #230204 is a reply to message #230200] Mon, 18 November 2013 18:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Too pooped to repost my thread that got snatched right out of this thread.
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Re: [GMCnet] Is everybody out there OK? [message #230207 is a reply to message #230188] Mon, 18 November 2013 18:46 Go to previous message
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I believe you'll find connecting a generator to anything connected to the grid should by code be connected through a two way 'air gap' switch.  Use a heavy extension cord(s) for emergency power.  If you're generating and the power co turns you back on, it can do Really Bad Things to your genset.
Alabama Poweer, Georgia Power, and two co-ops (the current folks who supply my plants where we have big gensets) also require an accessible disconnect for their incoming lines.  Which they pull and lock when they're playing with our feeds after a storm and note my genset is running.  I don't blame them.  It is possible to reconnect in such a way that you can turn a large military  portable genset on its side.  Ask me how I know this:).
 
--johnny
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Just wind and rain here yesterday afternoon. Whenever doing a less than full transfer switch type generator temp hook up, be sure you are not back feeding the service entrance. Good way to injure or kill a line worker who thinks the juice is off from his end, only to get zapped from the load side.
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Chicago, IL
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