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| Re: Carbon residue radiating from lug nuts on rims [message #229421 is a reply to message #229397] |
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Craig Lechowicz
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If your rubber brake hoses to the calipers are old, they can degrade internally. Then, it sort of acts as a check valve and holds pressure in the caliper, keeps one side partially applied, and gets extremely hot. Had this happen to mine when I kept it stored at a friends house about 20 miles away. Went through a very noticeable amount of brake pad in that 20 mile drive.
Craig Lechowicz
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| Re: [GMCnet] Carbon residue radiating from lug nuts on rims [message #229487 is a reply to message #229397] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 11:05 |
GMC_LES
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Dust originating from the lug nuts is an indication that the lug nuts are not clamping the wheel tight enough, allowing movement. You need to loosen and retorque each lugnut to be sure they are secure before something worse happens.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Nov 11, 2013, at 11:24 PM, Michael Pisano <mapisano@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Just noticed a star pattern of carbon-like dust radiating out from the lug nuts, which also show signs of heat/dust on our right front wheel.
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> Looks like they got pretty hot while driving. Just noticed it yesterday after driving in Los Angeles rush hour traffic (not my idea!).
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> Wondering if it's a brake issue (not making any noise) or a bearing issue, or something else.
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> Haven't driven it since I noticed this, and pretty sure it just happened during the one city drive - didn't notice it after our cross-country trip, so don't think it happened on the way here.
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> Any thoughts?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Carbon residue radiating from lug nuts on rims [message #229504 is a reply to message #229487] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 11:53 |
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Are they Hub centered or Lug centered? Both kinds were available. Torque on aluminum wheels is 140FT/# to 160Ft/#. With the Eagles wheels you must use the Eagle lug nuts and not the Alcoa style nut.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
On Nov 12, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Les Burt <gmc.les@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dust originating from the lug nuts is an indication that the lug nuts are not clamping the wheel tight enough, allowing movement. You need to loosen and retorque each lugnut to be sure they are secure before something worse happens.
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> Les Burt
> Montreal
> 1975 Eleganza 26ft
> A work in Progress
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> On Nov 11, 2013, at 11:24 PM, Michael Pisano <mapisano@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Just noticed a star pattern of carbon-like dust radiating out from the lug nuts, which also show signs of heat/dust on our right front wheel.
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>> Looks like they got pretty hot while driving. Just noticed it yesterday after driving in Los Angeles rush hour traffic (not my idea!).
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>> Wondering if it's a brake issue (not making any noise) or a bearing issue, or something else.
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>> Haven't driven it since I noticed this, and pretty sure it just happened during the one city drive - didn't notice it after our cross-country trip, so don't think it happened on the way here.
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>> Any thoughts?
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>> -Michael
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| Re: [GMCnet] Carbon residue radiating from lug nuts on rims [message #229561 is a reply to message #229556] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 17:32 |
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| Kingsley Coach wrote on Tue, 12 November 2013 15:05 |
Link to a photo??
Don't see it...
Mike in NS
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He added it to his original post
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| Re: [GMCnet] Carbon residue radiating from lug nuts on rims [message #229576 is a reply to message #229561] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 18:31 |
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Since I don't see it and I don't see any info on his location, I guess he's
on the Forum and not the email version..<g>
Tks
Mike in NS
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:32 PM, David Orders <dao@oarsllc.com> wrote:
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> Kingsley Coach wrote on Tue, 12 November 2013 15:05
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> He added it to his original post
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| Re: [GMCnet] Carbon residue radiating from lug nuts on rims [message #229589 is a reply to message #229580] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 19:13 |
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What were the driving conditions just prior to you discovering the dirt tacks on the wheel? Were the roads wet by any chance? The residue on the wheel is not typical of dry dust being tossed outward by centrifugal force as it would not turn a corner to follow the surface of the wheel. It looks more like wet dirt that has creeped outwards and then dried in place. Either way, the traces are coming from the lug nut area, so you need to be sure that the wheel is securely fastened. The residue could be from a lubricant that was applied to the lug nuts, or even from under the center cap. And it just spread across the wheel in that pattern, collecting brake dust in the process.
Is it possible that the nuts have bottomed out before clamping the wheel? This would give a false indication of tight lug nuts but allowing the wheel to move on the hub, creating the dusty deposits.
Les Burt
Montreal
1975 Eleganza 26ft
A work in Progress
On Nov 12, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Kingsley Coach <kingsleygmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks David
> It's about now that one would hope I had something informative to say.
> Unfortunately I don't.
> I think that comes with age as well <VGB>
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> Mike in NS
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>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:41 PM, David Orders <dao@oarsllc.com> wrote:
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>> HERE'S A PIC:
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>> 1976 Royale "Twinkie II", 1978 Palm Beach with front end fire. Lynnwood WA
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| Re: Carbon residue radiating from lug nuts on rims [message #229600 is a reply to message #229397] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 19:57 |
Carl S.
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Michael,
Is there a chance that the residue is oil or anti seize that was applied to the lug nut threads or the nuts themselves? I have had that happen even though the lug nuts were properly tightened.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: Carbon residue radiating from lug nuts on rims [message #229741 is a reply to message #229600] |
Wed, 13 November 2013 19:40 |
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| Carl S. wrote on Tue, 12 November 2013 19:57 |
Michael,
Is there a chance that the residue is oil or anti seize that was applied to the lug nut threads or the nuts themselves? I have had that happen even though the lug nuts were properly tightened.
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That is what I have been thinking.
Also it is possibly those cheap steel hub caps, washers, and nuts deteriorating? I tried polishing the rust out of my washers and nuts and I finally went with stainless ones on mine. Jim K. can get them for you.
It sure looks like oil tracks attracting dust/ dirt.
Is it only on one wheel or is it on all of them?
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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