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Mon, 11 November 2013 12:07  |
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WD0AFQ
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This morning I sit thinking about the long line of veterans in my family. One of my grandfathers is buried in the Confederate Cemetery, in Columbus, Ms, where he was killed. His son fought at the same time and lived through the ordeal but was left with a mangled right arm, til he died in 1912. I enjoy visiting his grave in a little country Cemetery between Hamilton and Hackleburg, Al, as often as I can.
I appreciate those that I can read about who have served our country, but I love knowing so many living veterans. Wonder why so many seem to own GMC motor coaches? The conventions always honor our veterans. So many stand when called to do so by the Moderator. I remember the first time being at a place where veterans were asked to stand. I had never considered myself a real veteran because I served our country stationed in Mississippi, instead of some place across the pond. I was pushed out of my seat by someone else. It felt good. Now, many years later, it still feels good and I love thinking about those who served, and came home, along with those who did not get back home.
So, I am honored to know everyone of you folks that served this country in any capacity, giving up your own decision making for the betterment of others.
Life is good because our country has been served by so many. I say " bring back the draft".
Thanks,
Dan
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229305 is a reply to message #229302] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 12:18  |
Guy Lopes
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Dan,
My Father served in the Navy during WWII, and was on a ship at many of the
big battles in the Pacific. He LOVED the GMC!
I often felt the same as you having only served 12 years in the Navy during
the long Cold War. The following quote helps to put things into perspective.
What is a Veteran?
..whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve - - is someone who,
at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United
States of America," for an amount of " up to, and including their life.'
That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today, who
no longer understand that fact.
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
www.GMC-Guy.com
-----Original Message-----
This morning I sit thinking about the long line of veterans in my family.
One of my grandfathers is buried in the Confederate Cemetery, in Columbus,
Ms, where he was killed. His son fought at the same time and lived through
the ordeal but was left with a mangled right arm, til he died in 1912. I
enjoy visiting his grave in a little country Cemetery between Hamilton and
Hackleburg, Al, as often as I can.
I appreciate those that I can read about who have served our country, but I
love knowing so many living veterans. Wonder why so many seem to own GMC
motor coaches? The conventions always honor our veterans. So many stand when
called to do so by the Moderator. I remember the first time being at a place
where veterans were asked to stand. I had never considered myself a real
veteran because I served our country stationed in Mississippi, instead of
some place across the pond. I was pushed out of my seat by someone else. It
felt good. Now, many years later, it still feels good and I love thinking
about those who served, and came home, along with those who did not get back
home.
So, I am honored to know everyone of you folks that served this country in
any capacity, giving up your own decision making for the betterment of
others.
Life is good because our country has been served by so many. I say " bring
back the draft".
Thanks,
Dan
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Dexter, Mo.
http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229307 is a reply to message #229302] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 12:29 |
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USAussie
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Dan,
My Dad was a light machine gunner in the US Army during WWII. He was drafted when he was 33 when he quit his job of making gun
mounts for Liberty ships in northern NJ. His outfit was somewhere in the east coast when someone noticed he was NOT a US Citizen
because he had never applied even after being in the USA for 17 years. At any rate he was pulled out of his outfit and sent to
California where he got sent to fight in the Pacific where he contracted malaria and dysentery. He was in the Army of occupation in
Japan for a short period after he got out of the hospital.
I spent 11 months in Saigon in a barracks where we had maids to wash our clothes, shine our shoes, make our beds and clean the
barracks for $8.00 each per month!
Regards,
Rob M.
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Subject: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners
This morning I sit thinking about the long line of veterans in my family. One of my grandfathers is buried in the Confederate
Cemetery, in Columbus, Ms, where he was killed. His son fought at the same time and lived through the ordeal but was left with a
mangled right arm, til he died in 1912. I enjoy visiting his grave in a little country Cemetery between Hamilton and Hackleburg, Al,
as often as I can.
I appreciate those that I can read about who have served our country, but I love knowing so many living veterans. Wonder why so many
seem to own GMC motor coaches? The conventions always honor our veterans. So many stand when called to do so by the Moderator. I
remember the first time being at a place where veterans were asked to stand. I had never considered myself a real veteran because I
served our country stationed in Mississippi, instead of some place across the pond. I was pushed out of my seat by someone else. It
felt good. Now, many years later, it still feels good and I love thinking about those who served, and came home, along with those
who did not get back home.
So, I am honored to know everyone of you folks that served this country in any capacity, giving up your own decision making for the
betterment of others.
Life is good because our country has been served by so many. I say " bring back the draft".
Thanks,
Dan
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Dexter, Mo.
http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229333 is a reply to message #229305] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 16:06 |
Ronald Pottol
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On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Guy Lopes <tawptool@surewest.net> wrote:
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> What is a Veteran?
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> ..whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve - - is someone who,
> at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United
> States of America," for an amount of " up to, and including their life.'
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> That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today, who
> no longer understand that fact.
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Absolutely. No one close to me ever got shot at, but quite a lot have
served.
I do think anyone thinking of enlisting should think about that and
read United States Marine Corps Major General and two time Medal of Honor
recipient Smedley D. Butler booklet "War is a Racket".
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229431 is a reply to message #229388] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 07:19 |
jhbridges
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I've a question which relates, to a degree. Every once in a while, we'll have a kid in a band or a rapper's posse show up with one of the Combat Infantryman's badges (Hawken rifle in a wreath on a blue background) pinned on. This rubs me the wrong way, so I have them take the badge off unless they were In. I was/am of the opinion that one earned that particular badge, rather than simply picking it up at a pawnshop. Is this not the case? Or, am I simply being an a$$hole over the whole thing?
--johnny
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And we extend a thanks to you, Dan, on this day.
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| Re: Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229438 is a reply to message #229302] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 07:55 |
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Small World....Guy Lopes and I both served in Patrol Squadrons, I was TAD ( temporary assigned duty) to VP-31 in Moffett Field, California in the summer of 1989 to attend a fleet readiness maintenance course where Guy was assigned to VP-91, I moved on to VP-17 Barbers Point, Hawaii and later participated in Desert Storm.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229494 is a reply to message #229431] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 11:25 |
Guy Lopes
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I agree with you Johnny
Guy
-----Original Message-----
I've a question which relates, to a degree. Every once in a while, we'll
have a kid in a band or a rapper's posse show up with one of the Combat
Infantryman's badges (Hawken rifle in a wreath on a blue background) pinned
on. This rubs me the wrong way, so I have them take the badge off unless
they were In. I was/am of the opinion that one earned that particular
badge, rather than simply picking it up at a pawnshop. Is this not the
case? Or, am I simply being an a$$hole over the whole thing?
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229498 is a reply to message #229431] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 11:40 |
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| Johnny Bridges wrote on Tue, 12 November 2013 07:19 |
I've a question which relates, to a degree. Every once in a while, we'll have a kid in a band or a rapper's posse show up with one of the Combat Infantryman's badges (Hawken rifle in a wreath on a blue background) pinned on. This rubs me the wrong way, so I have them take the badge off unless they were In. I was/am of the opinion that one earned that particular badge, rather than simply picking it up at a pawnshop. Is this not the case? Or, am I simply being an a$$hole over the whole thing?
--johnny
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Yes and no.
The kid is like those birds that decorate their nests with "sparklies". To him the badge is a "sparklie". And to him, you are over-reacting. If he is able to understand your position after you explain it to him, he will remove it and let it go. If he is unable to assimilate what you tell him, you will always be an a$$hole to him. He will refuse to remove it, or will remove it until you are out of sight and then put it back on.
For the rest of us, we understand your frustration. Keep trying to make them understand, but don't let it keep your blood pressure up.
The older I get, the less energy I have to "help" ignorant people like those kids. I believe it is because so many people are stupid and not just ignorant (stupidity is a determination to remain ignorant when presented with knowledge).
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229501 is a reply to message #229438] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 11:48 |
Guy Lopes
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Long live the P-3 Orion!!!
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
www.GMC-Guy.com
-----Original Message-----
Small World....Guy Lopes and I both served in Patrol Squadrons, I was TAD (
temporary assigned duty) to VP-31 in Moffett Field, California in the summer
of 1989 to attend a fleet readiness maintenance course where Guy was
assigned to VP-91, I moved on to VP-17 Barbers Point, Hawaii and later
participated in Desert Storm.
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Sean and Stephanie
73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
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| Re: Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229554 is a reply to message #229302] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 16:59 |
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| WD0AFQ wrote on Mon, 11 November 2013 11:07 |
I say " bring back the draft".
Thanks,
Dan
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Who would you draft and what could they do? It seems all the unskilled labor is contracted out. Unless you need a 500 word essay on preventing bullying, or putting someone in charge of downloading things off iTunes, what would you expect the draftees to be qualified to do?
Randy
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229560 is a reply to message #229431] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 17:28 |
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I'm not one of those entitled to wear that badge, but it would piss me off as well. However, I'm too damned old to take an ass whuppin' so I guess I'd just bite my tongue.
The same thought goes for my Combat Air Crew badge that I earned during my B-52 days.
I'm thinking of adding that and my Navigator wings to my Harley vest to accompany my Viet Nam Service Medal ribbon.
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> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 05:19:11 -0800
> From: jhbridges@ymail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners
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> I've a question which relates, to a degree. Every once in a while, we'll have a kid in a band or a rapper's posse show up with one of the Combat Infantryman's badges (Hawken rifle in a wreath on a blue background) pinned on. This rubs me the wrong way, so I have them take the badge off unless they were In. I was/am of the opinion that one earned that particular badge, rather than simply picking it up at a pawnshop. Is this not the case? Or, am I simply being an a$$hole over the whole thing?
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> --johnny
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> From: John R. Lebetski <gransport@aol.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners
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> And we extend a thanks to you, Dan, on this day.
> --
> John Lebetski
> Chicago, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
> Source America First
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229562 is a reply to message #229431] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 17:34 |
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| Johnny Bridges wrote on Tue, 12 November 2013 05:19 |
I've a question which relates, to a degree. Every once in a while, we'll have a kid in a band or a rapper's posse show up with one of the Combat Infantryman's badges (Hawken rifle in a wreath on a blue background) pinned on. This rubs me the wrong way, so I have them take the badge off unless they were In. I was/am of the opinion that one earned that particular badge, rather than simply picking it up at a pawnshop. Is this not the case? Or, am I simply being an a$$hole over the whole thing?
--johnny
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It would seem to me that if the original recipient chose to pawn it, it must not have meant much to them. On the other hand if it was stolen and pawned, I would tend to agree with you.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229563 is a reply to message #229501] |
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| Guy Lopes wrote on Tue, 12 November 2013 12:48 |
Long live the P-3 Orion!!!
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
www.GMC-Guy.com
-----Original Message-----
Small World....Guy Lopes and I both served in Patrol Squadrons, I was TAD (
temporary assigned duty) to VP-31 in Moffett Field, California in the summer
of 1989 to attend a fleet readiness maintenance course where Guy was
assigned to VP-91, I moved on to VP-17 Barbers Point, Hawaii and later
participated in Desert Storm.
--
Sean and Stephanie
73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
The P-3 Orion is so much like GMC, where else can a Air Crewman, during flight ops, get up, take a pee and sit in a galley waiting for your lunch to warm up in the oven? VIP flights were the best (AMS2(AW)) Cubi, Adak, Diego Garcia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229567 is a reply to message #229431] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 18:11 |
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Johnny,
Re: Combat Infantry Badge. You know all about this, but I looked it up and found out that: Since the CIB may only be worn by those who were assigned to Infantry outfits, including Rangers, and who actually were involved in combat infantry contact with the enemy, it is a very high honor to be awarded this. There are those, like in the Tet offensive, 1968, in Nam who fought infantry-style in order to keep everyone alive who will never be awarded this badge. Therefore, if you see someone with this on his uniform, you are seeing someone who has seen something of mortal danger. If they don't wear it, maybe they were heroes anyway. If I see one, I know what I am likely looking at.
That having been said, I guess that some people fancy themselves as brave, wear the badge as decoration ("I got it from my brother's uniform, or some such garbage") and without getting yourself arrested, it is right to confront them. You run the risk of having to back up your words, of course, but you will have judged the danger of that. If he has to endure a firefight with you, maybe that's a way he could understand something of it. Not a civilian award. It was instituted to help the Army recruit infantry soldiers. Personally, I would let it go and pretend not to see it. I've seen enough conflict. Just consider the source and move on.
Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229584 is a reply to message #229498] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 19:04 |
jhbridges
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Fortunately, the morning syndicated guy and both agfternoon jocks are vets. So they just need somebody (me) to bring it up. Works well.
--johnny
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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners
Johnny Bridges wrote on Tue, 12 November 2013 07:19
> I've a question which relates, to a degree. Every once in a while, we'll have a kid in a band or a rapper's posse show up with one of the Combat Infantryman's badges (Hawken rifle in a wreath on a blue background) pinned on. This rubs me the wrong way, so I have them take the badge off unless they were In. I was/am of the opinion that one earned that particular badge, rather than simply picking it up at a pawnshop. Is this not the case? Or, am I simply being an a$$hole over the whole thing?
>
> --johnny
Yes and no.
The kid is like those birds that decorate their nests with "sparklies". To him the badge is a "sparklie". And to him, you are over-reacting. If he is able to understand your position after you explain it to him, he will remove it and let it go. If he is unable to assimilate what you tell him, you will always be an a$$hole to him. He will refuse to remove it, or will remove it until you are out of sight and then put it back on.
For the rest of us, we understand your frustration. Keep trying to make them understand, but don't let it keep your blood pressure up.
The older I get, the less energy I have to "help" ignorant people like those kids. I believe it is because so many people are stupid and not just ignorant (stupidity is a determination to remain ignorant when presented with knowledge).
--
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'73 23' CanyonLands For Sale
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CanyonLands most likely for a parts coach. Sequoia being restored to service.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners [message #229595 is a reply to message #229567] |
Tue, 12 November 2013 19:34 |
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Point well taken. We're in Atlanta doing radio, so when Hanoi Jane used to shopw up for one cause or another I (and a few others) would just quietly leave.
--johnny
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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Veteran's Day and GMC Owners
Johnny,
Re: Combat Infantry Badge. You know all about this, but I looked it up and found out that: Since the CIB may only be worn by those who were assigned to Infantry outfits, including Rangers, and who actually were involved in combat infantry contact with the enemy, it is a very high honor to be awarded this. There are those, like in the Tet offensive, 1968, in Nam who fought infantry-style in order to keep everyone alive who will never be awarded this badge. Therefore, if you see someone with this on his uniform, you are seeing someone who has seen something of mortal danger. If they don't wear it, maybe they were heroes anyway. If I see one, I know what I am likely looking at.
That having been said, I guess that some people fancy themselves as brave, wear the badge as decoration ("I got it from my brother's uniform, or some such garbage") and without getting yourself arrested, it is right to confront them. You run the risk of having to back up your words, of course, but you will have judged the danger of that. If he has to endure a firefight with you, maybe that's a way he could understand something of it. Not a civilian award. It was instituted to help the Army recruit infantry soldiers. Personally, I would let it go and pretend not to see it. I've seen enough conflict. Just consider the source and move on.
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Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
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