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| [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229186] |
Sun, 10 November 2013 19:11  |
Ken Henderson
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Today, while reorganizing and purging GMC documentation, I ran across a
document which I had not looked at in several years: "GMC Motorhome
Maintenance and Information Notes" by John N. Engebretsen PE, Engebretsen
Engineering, Copyright 1992 & 1993, Danville, CA.
This is an excellent 52 page compendium of GMC information from a variety
of sources, including, apparently, GMCMI Newsletters, GMC Manuals, rally
presentations, personal contributions from the author and others. It
covers almost every facet of the GMC in succinct detail, with a lot of
hard-to-find reference information and part numbers (many of which are now
obsolete, I fear). It would be useful to almost any GMC owner, and
invaluable to all newbies.
The problem is that copyright. The cover bears a price of $14.00 ($9.00
for update of previously purchased copy...). That indicates to me that the
application of copyright was more than a whim or habit. Therefore, I'm in
a bit of a quandry about whether, and how to distribute it. My research
makes it appear that Mr. Engebretsen moved from Danville, CA to Rainier,
OR, where he passed away in 2006. I suspect that some of you long-time
GMCers knew him -- he certainly didn't collect all of this information in
total isolation from the community.
Considering the obviously derivative nature of the material, I'm not at all
sure the copyright was ever valid, but it would be embarrassing to have a
descendent appear and claim ownership. I don't have the legal knowledge to
make a valid judgement.
What's the group verdict? Should I post it somewhere, or let this valuable
document die?
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229187 is a reply to message #229186] |
Sun, 10 November 2013 19:21  |
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Sun, 10 November 2013 18:11 |
Today, while reorganizing and purging GMC documentation, I ran across a
document which I had not looked at in several years: "GMC Motorhome
Maintenance and Information Notes" by John N. Engebretsen PE, Engebretsen
Engineering, Copyright 1992 & 1993, Danville, CA.
This is an excellent 52 page compendium of GMC information from a variety
of sources, including, apparently, GMCMI Newsletters, GMC Manuals, rally
presentations, personal contributions from the author and others. It
covers almost every facet of the GMC in succinct detail, with a lot of
hard-to-find reference information and part numbers (many of which are now
obsolete, I fear). It would be useful to almost any GMC owner, and
invaluable to all newbies.
The problem is that copyright. The cover bears a price of $14.00 ($9.00
for update of previously purchased copy...). That indicates to me that the
application of copyright was more than a whim or habit. Therefore, I'm in
a bit of a quandry about whether, and how to distribute it. My research
makes it appear that Mr. Engebretsen moved from Danville, CA to Rainier,
OR, where he passed away in 2006. I suspect that some of you long-time
GMCers knew him -- he certainly didn't collect all of this information in
total isolation from the community.
Considering the obviously derivative nature of the material, I'm not at all
sure the copyright was ever valid, but it would be embarrassing to have a
descendent appear and claim ownership. I don't have the legal knowledge to
make a valid judgement.
What's the group verdict? Should I post it somewhere, or let this valuable
document die?
Ken H.
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has the copywright lapsed?
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229191 is a reply to message #229189] |
Sun, 10 November 2013 19:38 |
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Better to beg forgiveness than ask permission....or something like that .
Mike in NS
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> As I understand it, since the copyright is dated 1993, later than 1978, it
> won't lapse until he's been dead 70 years: 2076.
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> Ken H.
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> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:
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> > has the copywright lapsed?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229198 is a reply to message #229186] |
Sun, 10 November 2013 20:09 |
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USAussie
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Ken,
Check with the publisher?
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:12 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: [GMCnet] Quandry
Today, while reorganizing and purging GMC documentation, I ran across a
document which I had not looked at in several years: "GMC Motorhome
Maintenance and Information Notes" by John N. Engebretsen PE, Engebretsen
Engineering, Copyright 1992 & 1993, Danville, CA.
This is an excellent 52 page compendium of GMC information from a variety
of sources, including, apparently, GMCMI Newsletters, GMC Manuals, rally
presentations, personal contributions from the author and others. It
covers almost every facet of the GMC in succinct detail, with a lot of
hard-to-find reference information and part numbers (many of which are now
obsolete, I fear). It would be useful to almost any GMC owner, and
invaluable to all newbies.
The problem is that copyright. The cover bears a price of $14.00 ($9.00
for update of previously purchased copy...). That indicates to me that the
application of copyright was more than a whim or habit. Therefore, I'm in
a bit of a quandry about whether, and how to distribute it. My research
makes it appear that Mr. Engebretsen moved from Danville, CA to Rainier,
OR, where he passed away in 2006. I suspect that some of you long-time
GMCers knew him -- he certainly didn't collect all of this information in
total isolation from the community.
Considering the obviously derivative nature of the material, I'm not at all
sure the copyright was ever valid, but it would be embarrassing to have a
descendent appear and claim ownership. I don't have the legal knowledge to
make a valid judgement.
What's the group verdict? Should I post it somewhere, or let this valuable
document die?
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229199 is a reply to message #229197] |
Sun, 10 November 2013 20:12 |
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With the author deceased, who exists to enforce his rights? Since it is a derIvative work, copied from others works, to include original GM documents (part list numbers), how much is original to the author in nature? Seems this is copy work, similiar to most high school papers.
Maybe our resident lawyer will pop in on this subject.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229201 is a reply to message #229198] |
Sun, 10 November 2013 20:19 |
Ken Henderson
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Rob,
It was self-published. Only an heir would likely claim the copyright or be
able to grant use rights.
Ken H.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Check with the publisher?
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:
> gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:12 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: [GMCnet] Quandry
>
> Today, while reorganizing and purging GMC documentation, I ran across a
> document which I had not looked at in several years: "GMC Motorhome
> Maintenance and Information Notes" by John N. Engebretsen PE, Engebretsen
> Engineering, Copyright 1992 & 1993, Danville, CA.
>
> This is an excellent 52 page compendium of GMC information from a variety
> of sources, including, apparently, GMCMI Newsletters, GMC Manuals, rally
> presentations, personal contributions from the author and others. It
> covers almost every facet of the GMC in succinct detail, with a lot of
> hard-to-find reference information and part numbers (many of which are now
> obsolete, I fear). It would be useful to almost any GMC owner, and
> invaluable to all newbies.
>
> The problem is that copyright. The cover bears a price of $14.00 ($9.00
> for update of previously purchased copy...). That indicates to me that
> the
> application of copyright was more than a whim or habit. Therefore, I'm in
> a bit of a quandry about whether, and how to distribute it. My research
> makes it appear that Mr. Engebretsen moved from Danville, CA to Rainier,
> OR, where he passed away in 2006. I suspect that some of you long-time
> GMCers knew him -- he certainly didn't collect all of this information in
> total isolation from the community.
>
> Considering the obviously derivative nature of the material, I'm not at all
> sure the copyright was ever valid, but it would be embarrassing to have a
> descendent appear and claim ownership. I don't have the legal knowledge
> to
> make a valid judgement.
>
> What's the group verdict? Should I post it somewhere, or let this valuable
> document die?
>
> Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229202 is a reply to message #229201] |
Sun, 10 November 2013 20:29 |
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Ken
I also have a copy of that. Someone gave me a copy several years ago.
It is very outdated and about all the information is easily available on the net and in club newsletters.
When I first saw it I chuckled about his wanting to charge for information that he collected free. I also felt that it wasn't really eligible for copyright protection.
Does anyone want to buy all my saved emails? :) :)
Emery Stora
On Nov 10, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Rob,
>
> It was self-published. Only an heir would likely claim the copyright or be
> able to grant use rights.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Check with the publisher?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:
>> gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
>> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:12 PM
>> To: gmclist
>> Subject: [GMCnet] Quandry
>>
>> Today, while reorganizing and purging GMC documentation, I ran across a
>> document which I had not looked at in several years: "GMC Motorhome
>> Maintenance and Information Notes" by John N. Engebretsen PE, Engebretsen
>> Engineering, Copyright 1992 & 1993, Danville, CA.
>>
>> This is an excellent 52 page compendium of GMC information from a variety
>> of sources, including, apparently, GMCMI Newsletters, GMC Manuals, rally
>> presentations, personal contributions from the author and others. It
>> covers almost every facet of the GMC in succinct detail, with a lot of
>> hard-to-find reference information and part numbers (many of which are now
>> obsolete, I fear). It would be useful to almost any GMC owner, and
>> invaluable to all newbies.
>>
>> The problem is that copyright. The cover bears a price of $14.00 ($9.00
>> for update of previously purchased copy...). That indicates to me that
>> the
>> application of copyright was more than a whim or habit. Therefore, I'm in
>> a bit of a quandry about whether, and how to distribute it. My research
>> makes it appear that Mr. Engebretsen moved from Danville, CA to Rainier,
>> OR, where he passed away in 2006. I suspect that some of you long-time
>> GMCers knew him -- he certainly didn't collect all of this information in
>> total isolation from the community.
>>
>> Considering the obviously derivative nature of the material, I'm not at all
>> sure the copyright was ever valid, but it would be embarrassing to have a
>> descendent appear and claim ownership. I don't have the legal knowledge
>> to
>> make a valid judgement.
>>
>> What's the group verdict? Should I post it somewhere, or let this valuable
>> document die?
>>
>> Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229207 is a reply to message #229202] |
Sun, 10 November 2013 21:10 |
Ken Henderson
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Emery,
I had the same reaction when I first saw it. But it is a good
consolidation of information into one document. Perhaps someone with too
much time on their hands will take it upon them self to update it. Without
charge, I hope. :-)
Ken H.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@me.com> wrote:
> Ken
>
> I also have a copy of that. Someone gave me a copy several years ago.
> It is very outdated and about all the information is easily available on
> the net and in club newsletters.
>
> When I first saw it I chuckled about his wanting to charge for information
> that he collected free. I also felt that it wasn't really eligible for
> copyright protection.
>
> Does anyone want to buy all my saved emails? :) :)
>
> Emery Stora
>
> On Nov 10, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > Rob,
> >
> > It was self-published. Only an heir would likely claim the copyright or
> be
> > able to grant use rights.
> >
> > Ken H.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Ken,
> >>
> >> Check with the publisher?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Rob M.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:
> >> gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:12 PM
> >> To: gmclist
> >> Subject: [GMCnet] Quandry
> >>
> >> Today, while reorganizing and purging GMC documentation, I ran across a
> >> document which I had not looked at in several years: "GMC Motorhome
> >> Maintenance and Information Notes" by John N. Engebretsen PE,
> Engebretsen
> >> Engineering, Copyright 1992 & 1993, Danville, CA.
> >>
> >> This is an excellent 52 page compendium of GMC information from a
> variety
> >> of sources, including, apparently, GMCMI Newsletters, GMC Manuals,
> rally
> >> presentations, personal contributions from the author and others. It
> >> covers almost every facet of the GMC in succinct detail, with a lot of
> >> hard-to-find reference information and part numbers (many of which are
> now
> >> obsolete, I fear). It would be useful to almost any GMC owner, and
> >> invaluable to all newbies.
> >>
> >> The problem is that copyright. The cover bears a price of $14.00 ($9.00
> >> for update of previously purchased copy...). That indicates to me that
> >> the
> >> application of copyright was more than a whim or habit. Therefore,
> I'm in
> >> a bit of a quandry about whether, and how to distribute it. My
> research
> >> makes it appear that Mr. Engebretsen moved from Danville, CA to
> Rainier,
> >> OR, where he passed away in 2006. I suspect that some of you long-time
> >> GMCers knew him -- he certainly didn't collect all of this information
> in
> >> total isolation from the community.
> >>
> >> Considering the obviously derivative nature of the material, I'm not at
> all
> >> sure the copyright was ever valid, but it would be embarrassing to
> have a
> >> descendent appear and claim ownership. I don't have the legal
> knowledge
> >> to
> >> make a valid judgement.
> >>
> >> What's the group verdict? Should I post it somewhere, or let this
> valuable
> >> document die?
> >>
> >> Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229216 is a reply to message #229186] |
Sun, 10 November 2013 22:05 |
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here is a FAQ Answer to Copyright.
2.1.4 Can facts, databases and compilations be copyrighted?
Facts cannot be copyrighted. However, the creative selection, coordination and arrangement of information and materials forming a database or compilation may be protected by copyright. Note, however, that the copyright protection only extends to the creative aspect, not to the facts contained in the database or compilation.
Caution!!!: An opinion from a mere mortal coming!!!)
I have not seen the document you are refering to however: Just because he wrote copyright on the document, does not necisarily make his work copyrightable. Given that much of the work he has quoted is in the public domain anyway, there is very little that is original material. Has he given full credit and ask permission, and received permission for the information he got?? It may be an inappropriate document anyway.
Given that nothing is being sold, and that the document is hardly copyrightable, I suspect the costs of enforcing the copyright will make it highly unlikley that you will see a problem. Do you think the estate wants to retain a lawyer to begin procedings on a questionable document to begin with?? I suspect not.
(Hardly a qualified legal opinion however !!!)
This opinion has the value of what you just paid for it!!!
John and Cathie Heslinga
1974 Canyonlands 260
455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS,
Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd.
Edmonton, Alberta
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229247 is a reply to message #229186] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 02:07 |
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If the same information were to be presented in a different
format........
ronC
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:05:17 -0600 John Heslinga <rbeeper@hotmail.com>
writes:
>
>
>
>
> here is a FAQ Answer to Copyright.
>
> 2.1.4 Can facts, databases and compilations be copyrighted?
> Facts cannot be copyrighted. However, the creative selection,
> coordination and arrangement of information and materials forming a
> database or compilation may be protected by copyright. Note,
> however, that the copyright protection only extends to the creative
> aspect, not to the facts contained in the database or compilation.
>
>
> Caution!!!: An opinion from a mere mortal coming!!!)
>
> I have not seen the document you are refering to however: Just
> because he wrote copyright on the document, does not necisarily make
> his work copyrightable. Given that much of the work he has quoted
> is in the public domain anyway, there is very little that is
> original material. Has he given full credit and ask permission, and
> received permission for the information he got?? It may be an
> inappropriate document anyway.
>
> Given that nothing is being sold, and that the document is hardly
> copyrightable, I suspect the costs of enforcing the copyright will
> make it highly unlikley that you will see a problem. Do you think
> the estate wants to retain a lawyer to begin procedings on a
> questionable document to begin with?? I suspect not.
>
> (Hardly a qualified legal opinion however !!!)
>
> --
> John and Cathie Heslinga
> 1974 Canyonlands 260
> TC4W "Too Cool For Words"
> Retirement Projects Galore
> Edmonton, Alberta
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229253 is a reply to message #229186] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 07:17 |
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I won't tell if you don't tell.
I'll give the descendant $12 for a copy, if you can find him/her and ask.
--johnny
From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:11 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Quandry
Today, while reorganizing and purging GMC documentation, I ran across a
document which I had not looked at in several years: "GMC Motorhome
Maintenance and Information Notes" by John N. Engebretsen PE, Engebretsen
Engineering, Copyright 1992 & 1993, Danville, CA.
This is an excellent 52 page compendium of GMC information from a variety
of sources, including, apparently, GMCMI Newsletters, GMC Manuals, rally
presentations, personal contributions from the author and others. It
covers almost every facet of the GMC in succinct detail, with a lot of
hard-to-find reference information and part numbers (many of which are now
obsolete, I fear). It would be useful to almost any GMC owner, and
invaluable to all newbies.
The problem is that copyright. The cover bears a price of $14.00 ($9.00
for update of previously purchased copy...). That indicates to me that the
application of copyright was more than a whim or habit. Therefore, I'm in
a bit of a quandry about whether, and how to distribute it. My research
makes it appear that Mr. Engebretsen moved from Danville, CA to Rainier,
OR, where he passed away in 2006. I suspect that some of you long-time
GMCers knew him -- he certainly didn't collect all of this information in
total isolation from the community.
Considering the obviously derivative nature of the material, I'm not at all
sure the copyright was ever valid, but it would be embarrassing to have a
descendent appear and claim ownership. I don't have the legal knowledge to
make a valid judgement.
What's the group verdict? Should I post it somewhere, or let this valuable
document die?
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229255 is a reply to message #229209] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 07:25 |
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As I understand it, a 'copyright' reserves the right to make a copy of a work. A legal copy - one you bought or were given by a legal buyer - may be shared, given away, traded, or sold. It may not be copied, aid if it were, the copier is guilty of stealing the work.
From a prctical point of view, nobody os going to grouse about Xeroxing this one.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
From: David H. Jarvis <jarvis210@shaw.ca>
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Quandry
Question...If you are not selling it, is it OK to show other people?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229258 is a reply to message #229186] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 07:53 |
kerry pinkerton
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Ken, he died on July 4 2006, in Ranier. You can contact the Probate Judge there and ask them to give you the name of the executor of his will. Failing that, someone with a membership to Ancestors.com can find his descendants. Unusual name so it should be easy to find.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229261 is a reply to message #229186] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 08:37 |
rcjordan
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The easiest way to legally republish is to make it part of another piece. That piece should combine/blend the works of at least 2 other research resources as well.
I doubt this is worth the trouble, though.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229262 is a reply to message #229207] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 08:42 |
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Matt Colie
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Sun, 10 November 2013 22:10 |
Emery,
I had the same reaction when I first saw it. But it is a good consolidation of information into one document. Perhaps someone with too much time on their hands will take it upon them self to update it. Without charge, I hope. 
Ken H.
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Ken,
I have a statement and an idea...
Statement:
As Mary discovered when she was writing romances, if it marked as "Copyright" and the copyrights are not registered with the copyright office then the original rights were held by the author only. There are no continuing rights. (So, if he didn't pay the 75$ to register it, it died with him.) As my search of moments ago found nothing, I would assume that the copyright note was probably included in his standard footer (just as mine used to be). (I would explain this over several adult beverages if anybody actually cares about the legal issues involved in professional consulting.)
Idea:
Rather than worry about any of this, someone (anyone) could send this copy to Byron for inclusion in the reference material available to members only on the GMC Eastern States website. It will be available for any interested parties. He may choose to include the copyright note, but that really won't be necessary as there is no registered copyright in his name.
Besides, then if someone does decide to try to raise an issue, it will have to raise said issue with GMCES. Good Luck with that.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229263 is a reply to message #229186] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 08:52 |
rcjordan
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Good idea. Teaching aids get better claim to fair use, too.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] Quandry [message #229268 is a reply to message #229186] |
Mon, 11 November 2013 09:09 |
rcjordan
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And don't we have the same problem with every manufacturer's maintenance manual?
Published 1964-1977: Copyrighted for 28 years from filing. Automatically renewed for 47 years.
<added> Copyright extended automatically: Copyright will apply for as long as it would have had renewal been filed.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
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