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Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #226920] Thu, 24 October 2013 18:54 Go to next message
Ultravan Owners is currently offline  Ultravan Owners   Canada
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Hello Everyone,

I'm looking for measurements of the two drive axles.

1) I need from flat surface of inside CV to tip of outer

or

2) Axle it self between the CV boots

And does the passenger side of the GMC axle have a damper (like stock OLDS axle did) on the axle shaft?

Thank you, Tony


Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.

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Re: [GMCnet] Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #226930 is a reply to message #226920] Thu, 24 October 2013 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Tony,

I don't have the axle length.

Only the Eldorado's axles had the passenger side damper on the shaft.

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
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On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Tony <Ultravanman248@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I'm look for measurements of the two drive axles.
>
> 1) I need from flat surface of inside CV to tip of outer
>
> or
>
> 2) Axle it self between the CV boots
>
> Does the passenger side have a damper (like stock axle) on the shaft or
> not?
>
> Thank you, Tony
>
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Re: Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #226941 is a reply to message #226920] Thu, 24 October 2013 21:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken,

I thought the power plant in our Ultravan Coach was from a 69 to 71 Olds Toronado.

Do you know if the damper you are talking about looks like the one in the picture?
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6330/View_of_starter_and_control_arms.jpg

Thanks, Tony


Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
Re: [GMCnet] Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #226966 is a reply to message #226941] Fri, 25 October 2013 05:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Tony,

What picture? No link in your email. I use the mailing list, so don't see
any photos posted on the forum.

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Tony <Ultravanman248@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> Ken,
>
> I thought the power plant in our Ultravan Coach was from a 69 to 71 Olds
> Toronado.
>
> Do you know if the damper you are talking about looks like the one in the
> picture?
>
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> Thanks, Tony
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Re: [GMCnet] Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #226968 is a reply to message #226930] Fri, 25 October 2013 05:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here is the link to the image that he posted but I do not see what he is talking about in the picture.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6330/View_of_starter_and_control_arms.jpg



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Re: [GMCnet] Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #226969 is a reply to message #226968] Fri, 25 October 2013 06:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Between the shock absorber and the lower A-arm, there's a cylinder (damper)
on the R. axle. That is, to the best of my knowledge, an Eldorado axle.
In the past, a couple of times when I ordered rebuilt axles, those have
arrived. I just removed one from the '70 Eldorado front clip I bought last
Sunday.

Ken H.

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:

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> Here is the link to the image that he posted but I do not see what he is
> talking about in the picture.
>
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6330/View_of_starter_and_control_arms.jpg
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Re: [GMCnet] Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #226973 is a reply to message #226969] Fri, 25 October 2013 07:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken,

I just checked the maintenance manual http://www.bdub.net/manuals/1967_Toronado_3.21_Planetary_Final_Drive.pdf

FINAL DRIVE TORONADO
94 AND 96 SERIES
SECTION 3EC

Page 3EC-2 Final Drive

Fig. 3EC-1 Power Train Components

Shows the damper as well.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Henderson

Between the shock absorber and the lower A-arm, there's a cylinder (damper)
on the R. axle. That is, to the best of my knowledge, an Eldorado axle.
In the past, a couple of times when I ordered rebuilt axles, those have
arrived. I just removed one from the '70 Eldorado front clip I bought last
Sunday.

Ken H.

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Re: [GMCnet] Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #226974 is a reply to message #226973] Fri, 25 October 2013 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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How 'bout that! When the first one arrived in response to my axle order,
we looked it up on the store's computer and it referenced that part
only forthe Eldorado.

Having learned something new for today, I might as well go back to bed. :-)

Ken H.

On, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:

> Ken,
>
> I just checked the maintenance manual
> http://www.bdub.net/manuals/1967_Toronado_3.21_Planetary_Final_Drive.pdf
>
> FINAL DRIVE TORONADO
> 94 AND 96 SERIES
> SECTION 3EC
>
> Page 3EC-2 Final Drive
>
> Fig. 3EC-1 Power Train Components
>
> Shows the damper as well.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Henderson
>
> Between the shock absorber and the lower A-arm, there's a cylinder (damper)
> on the R. axle. That is, to the best of my knowledge, an Eldorado axle.
> In the past, a couple of times when I ordered rebuilt axles, those have
> arrived. I just removed one from the '70 Eldorado front clip I bought
> last
> Sunday.
>
> Ken H.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #226979 is a reply to message #226974] Fri, 25 October 2013 08:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken,

I am amazed that you actually trusted a parts store computer! ;-)

Stay up, I'm sure there's SOMETHING on your GMC that needs fixing!

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Henderson

How 'bout that! When the first one arrived in response to my axle order,
we looked it up on the store's computer and it referenced that part
only forthe Eldorado.

Having learned something new for today, I might as well go back to bed. :-)

Ken H.

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Re: Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #227491 is a reply to message #226920] Mon, 28 October 2013 21:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm still looking for measurements of the both GMC axles to compare.

I measured from the inside lip of both CV boots as shown in the pictures and came up with 6 and 1/2 inches of axle shaft in between the inner lip both CV boots.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6330/Drive_Axles_6_5_inches_between_inside_boot_lips.JPG
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6330/Drive_Axles_6_5_inches_between_inside_boot_lips.JPG

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6330/Drive_Axles_seem_the_same_length_from_inside_lip_of_the_CV_boots.JPG
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6330/Drive_Axles_seem_the_same_length_from_inside_lip_of_the_CV_boots.JPG

If I do decide to widen the frame - I will have to find axles that fit or have them made; which = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. ggg


Tony (Ontario Canada)
Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
Re: Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #227509 is a reply to message #226920] Mon, 28 October 2013 23:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Check with Manny for the original size . He might have a pile of those axles from his one ton installs. He has new ones machined for the 1 ton package because they are longer and They may have a metric measurement splines on the outer end for the one ton spindle he uses.

maybe he is willing to tell you who does the machining for him as well. Then you can have them made for your own needs

Best Regards


John and Cathie Heslinga 1974 Canyonlands 260 455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS, Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd. Edmonton, Alberta
Re: Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #227622 is a reply to message #227491] Tue, 29 October 2013 16:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir does this help?
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6468-cv-joints.html



Ultravan Owners wrote on Mon, 28 October 2013 22:41

I'm still looking for measurements of the both GMC axles to compare.

I measured from the inside lip of both CV boots as shown in the pictures and came up with 6 and 1/2 inches of axle shaft in between the inner lip both CV boots.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6330/Drive_Axles_6_5_inches_between_inside_boot_lips.JPG
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6330/Drive_Axles_6_5_inches_between_inside_boot_lips.JPG

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6330/Drive_Axles_seem_the_same_length_from_inside_lip_of_the_CV_boots.JPG
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6330/Drive_Axles_seem_the_same_length_from_inside_lip_of_the_CV_boots.JPG

If I do decide to widen the frame - I will have to find axles that fit or have them made; which = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. ggg



C. Boyd
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East Tennessee
Re: Where can get measurements of the 2 drive axles? [message #227629 is a reply to message #226920] Tue, 29 October 2013 17:20 Go to previous message
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Thank you John and C Boyd.

The link was very helpful and the contact info might come in handy - if I do have to get some axles made.


Tony


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Marie and I are blessed to have had a 2nd chance to buy our farm.
Still hoping and more importantly praying to be able to build a garage.
Our 1970 Ultravan #520 has an Olds Toronado 455 in back.
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