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Thu, 17 October 2013 11:12  |
Jake Reed
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I am in Ventura County California. I recently sold my Holiday Rambler.
After a number of years of seeing some really cool classic RV's the wife and
I have decided we want one. There are three we are considering and our
number 1 choice would be a GMC 23' rear bath. This configuration seems to
be pretty rare. Is there anyone local to me with a 23' unit (does not need
to be a rear bath) that would be will to spend some time answering so
questions I have and letting us check out their RV? It would help us narrow
it down.
Thanks
Jake
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| Re: [GMCnet] Prospective newbie question [message #225971 is a reply to message #225946] |
Thu, 17 October 2013 16:10  |
George Beckman
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| Jake Reed wrote on Thu, 17 October 2013 09:12 |
I am in Ventura County California. I recently sold my Holiday Rambler.
After a number of years of seeing some really cool classic RV's the wife and
I have decided we want one. There are three we are considering and our
number 1 choice would be a GMC 23' rear bath. .
Thanks
Jake
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Jake,
Glad to hear you are in the market. This forum will lead you to some of the nicest, smartest folks around.
I don't have any leads on a rear bath 23 but thought I would mention that if you were planning anything tricky like fuel injection or other engine modifications the GMCs built after '75 need to pass smog. Lots of stock GMCs that are reasonably well tuned pass with flying colors all the time. However I took my '78 23' to a referee for modified vehicles. It had fuel injection and they wouldn't even put it on the dyno even though the referee admitted it would make less smog with EFI.
That being said, hope you find a great coach and have nothing but fun.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] Prospective newbie question [message #225976 is a reply to message #225971] |
Thu, 17 October 2013 16:36 |
Jake Reed
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George,
I do a lot of automotive engineering. I run a large family owned
manufacturing business in Simi Valley. I won't buy anything while I am
living in California after 1975.
I am assuming you went with some kind of fuel injection like the original
Cadillac units that are floating around? With an injectors plugged into a
fuel rail? You might want to look at a company like
"http://www.rcgcncblocks.com/retrotek_speed_products.htm". They make a fuel
injection system that fits almost entirely inside what will look just like a
carburetor body. It's good enough to fool just about anyone making a
cursory inspection.
The ECU they have built works fantastic as well. You could get it through
a simple smog test and no one would be the wiser with a little camouflage on
the wiring.
Jake
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Prospective newbie question
Jake Reed wrote on Thu, 17 October 2013 09:12
> I am in Ventura County California. I recently sold my Holiday Rambler.
> After a number of years of seeing some really cool classic RV's the
> wife and I have decided we want one. There are three we are
> considering and our number 1 choice would be a GMC 23' rear bath. .
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> Thanks
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> Jake
Jake,
Glad to hear you are in the market. This forum will lead you to some of the
nicest, smartest folks around.
I don't have any leads on a rear bath 23 but thought I would mention that if
you were planning anything tricky like fuel injection or other engine
modifications the GMCs built after '75 need to pass smog. Lots of stock GMCs
that are reasonably well tuned pass with flying colors all the time. However
I took my '78 23' to a referee for modified vehicles. It had fuel injection
and they wouldn't even put it on the dyno even though the referee admitted
it would make less smog with EFI.
That being said, hope you find a great coach and have nothing but fun.
--
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] Prospective newbie question [message #225981 is a reply to message #225976] |
Thu, 17 October 2013 17:33 |
jim kanomata
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Check with Migil Mendez MGM GMC
He operates a GMC shop and has some for sale and might know of some. (909)229-7508
Should you need parts, we have most any GMC Parts and Kits here in Northern CA.
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
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| Re: [GMCnet] Prospective newbie question [message #225987 is a reply to message #225946] |
Thu, 17 October 2013 17:59 |
Bob S.
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Hi Jake, I don't know how far you want to travel to get a 23' rear bath, but there is one in South Dakota that is mostly original but very nice. I know the original owner, he owned a GM dealership and it was kept inside most of it's life. I am told the current owner is definitely willing to negotiate. If you're interested, let me know and I can get you more info on this. I would buy it myself, but I think my wife might not share my enthusiasm with two GMC coaches. Bob S.
Bob and Pam Schilling
Rapid City, SD
"78 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] Prospective newbie question [message #226044 is a reply to message #226010] |
Fri, 18 October 2013 07:52 |
gbarrow2
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Steve,
Can you please describe/explain your sluggish transmission?
Is it failing to automatically shift down into low when you stop?
Or is it just slipping a lot?
Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Prospective newbie question [message #226055 is a reply to message #225987] |
Fri, 18 October 2013 09:13 |
Jake Reed
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Bob,
Thank you for the lead. I will hold onto it right now. The GMC is just
one of three coaches we are considering. It's my first choice but my wife's
second choice. So right now we are just trying to learn some things about
them to find out which one fits our desires at the moment.
Out of curiosity would you happen to have a feeling of what it might sell
for. I went to Virginia for my last RV. South Dakota seems like no big
deal.
Thank you
Jake
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Hi Jake, I don't know how far you want to travel to get a 23' rear bath, but
there is one in South Dakota that is mostly original but very nice. I know
the original owner, he owned a GM dealership and it was kept inside most of
it's life. I am told the current owner is definitely willing to negotiate.
If you're interested, let me know and I can get you more info on this. I
would buy it myself, but I think my wife might not share my enthusiasm with
two GMC coaches. Bob S.
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Bob and Pam Schilling
Rapid City, SD
"78 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] Prospective newbie question [message #226062 is a reply to message #225946] |
Fri, 18 October 2013 09:34 |
Bob S.
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Jake, It is a 1976 Crestmont and is listed on this website,http://www.gmcclassics.com/chatter/4sale.html.
The owner is having someone else sell it for him, who happens to be someone I went to high school with. I stopped to look at it earlier this year and was impressed. At that time the seller indicated that the owner is anxious to sell and would listen to offers. He had it listed at $7995.00. Last time I heard it was still for sale. I haven't driven it, or even heard it run. If you would like me to investigate it further I would be happy to do it. Just let me know. Bob S.
Bob and Pam Schilling
Rapid City, SD
"78 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] Prospective newbie question [message #226074 is a reply to message #225946] |
Fri, 18 October 2013 10:31 |
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Gene -
I'll reply about the sluggish transmission here - being mindful of not taking Jake's "newbie" thread too far off course.
When cold, my coach really does not want to get rolling. Once warmed up, it's better, but needs a lot of gas pedal to get moving. The engine appears fine... idles, accelerates, disty advances, carb appears to work. I actually had the good fortune of having Bob Lamey take a look at it at one of the SoCal rallies. He suggests that the engine appears to be working just fine.
The transmission does appear to be starting in first gear because it shifts to second and third afterwards. There's just no power from a standstill.
I also had the good fortune to let Manny take a quick look at it. He had me start the coach, put it in gear, and take my foot off the brake. The coach did not move at all. He immediately said the tranny was shot. At idle and in gear with no brake, the coach should creep forward.
I personally speculate that the specific issue is the torque converter...
So... a new Manny Tranny (with Power Drive) is in the works. And the one ton front end too. I'm expecting the new tranny will fix the issue and the new front end components will displace any lurking concerns about bearings and the like...
Last but not least, I'll be sure to check the governor gear before we take things apart. 
Thanks !!
Steve W
Steve W
1973 : 23'
Southern California
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| Re: [GMCnet] Prospective newbie question [message #226077 is a reply to message #226071] |
Fri, 18 October 2013 10:39 |
gbarrow2
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Jake,
Passing Cal smog tests with a good running/properly tuned GMC is a non event. I've done it a number of times with over 12 years with 3 different GMCs.
My gross polluting bone stock fuel injected 1974 Porche 914 was a different story.
If you call Miguel Mendez at MGMGMC about the 23' coach ask him about smog. He gets it done for his customers all the time. No problem.
Just curious- what is your wife's first choice?
Good luck in your search
Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Prospective newbie question [message #226082 is a reply to message #226074] |
Fri, 18 October 2013 10:50 |
James Hupy
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If you really want improved low end throttle response, considered this. 1.
You are driving a 12,000 pound vehicle. 2. It sits a good deal of the
time, and seals, brakes, etc. do not like that. 3. In stock form, it is
geared for Bonneville, not stoplight to stoplight driving. If you want to
improve acceleration, change to efi, recurve the distributor, install a
higher stall speed torque converter, and most of all, change the gearing in
the final drive to a 3:50 or 3:70 ratio. While you are at it, you might
check ride height, wheel alignment, and dragging drum brakes and tight
wheel bearings..
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Gmc Royale 403
On Oct 18, 2013 8:31 AM, "Steve Weinstock" <steve.weinstock@cox.net> wrote:
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> Gene -
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> I'll reply about the sluggish transmission here - being mindful of not
> taking Jake's "newbie" thread too far off course.
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> When cold, my coach really does not want to get rolling. Once warmed up,
> it's better, but needs a lot of gas pedal to get moving. The engine
> appears fine... idles, accelerates, disty advances, carb appears to work.
> I actually had the good fortune of having Bob Lamey take a look at it at
> one of the SoCal rallies. He suggests that the engine appears to be
> working just fine.
>
> The transmission does appear to be starting in first gear because it
> shifts to second and third afterwards. There's just no power from a
> standstill.
>
> I also had the good fortune to let Manny take a quick look at it. He had
> me start the coach, put it in gear, and take my foot off the brake. The
> coach did not move at all. He immediately said the tranny was shot. At
> idle and in gear with no brake, the coach should creep forward.
>
> I personally speculate that the specific issue is the torque converter...
>
> So... a new Manny Tranny (with Power Drive) is in the works. And the one
> ton front end too. I'm expecting the new tranny will fix the issue and the
> new front end components will displace any lurking concerns about bearings
> and the like...
>
> Last but not least, I'll be sure to check the governor gear before we take
> things apart. :)
>
> Thanks !!
>
> Steve W
>
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| [GMCnet] Who is Charles Woods, Sr. [message #226087 is a reply to message #226072] |
Fri, 18 October 2013 11:05 |
Jim Bounds
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Maybe I missed a thread or something but who is Charles Woods and why is he using pics off my site to promote buying parts for GMC's outside the GMC dealer structure? I, in no way, support those efforts or condone the use of images from my web site to promote encouraging folks to buy parts outside of the people we need to support to keep our motohomes on the road.
I'm not meaning for this to come off self centered but shortsheeting myself, Jim K. , Jeff Sirum, Miguel, Manny, Ken Frey, Dick Patterson, Dave Linzi, Gene Dotson, Frank Jenkins and others is just not helping any of us. This may be unique to the RV world and sometimes folks may not even think about this which means we need to work harder to help them understand if not for so many working hard to keep parts available--- it's not the case of "find the part if you can". We know the parts and we can help you usually save money but at least know you have someone to help you with your parts in installation, adjustment and maintining them.
Just called JIm K. and asked him what this was all about-- looks like I did miss a past thread when this was a new topic. Well, it's now new to me and I really do have something to say. "If you don't use it you loose it", if you do not support the GMC dealer network it will go away. It's not like we can sell to somebody with a Winnabago! If you do not support our efforts we go away. I'm already spending part of my waking time pushing Fire Fight Products as Jim K. has Applied filters to help keep our other businesses afloat. The original GM part numbers are long gone, even the dealer to vendor books I fave from GM are pretty much historical. We have to search hard to find things, we need folks to buy parts to keep us working.
Don't make the "support your vendors" saying just lip service-- YOU make a difference, every one of you. Lurkers and new GMC owners please understand availability of parts makes the GMC stand out, having lagitimate dealers who still support the GMC makes it stand out, don't take this for granted. You can differ with my opinion, if so don't call me when you look everywhere and can't find a part. I'm here for more than that.
Jim Bounds
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| Re: [GMCnet] Who is Charles Woods, Sr. [message #226093 is a reply to message #226087] |
Fri, 18 October 2013 11:26 |
Guy Lopes
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Well said Jim!
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> On Oct 18, 2013, at 10:05, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Maybe I missed a thread or something but who is Charles Woods and why is he using pics off my site to promote buying parts for GMC's outside the GMC dealer structure? I, in no way, support those efforts or condone the use of images from my web site to promote encouraging folks to buy parts outside of the people we need to support to keep our motohomes on the road.
>
> I'm not meaning for this to come off self centered but shortsheeting myself, Jim K. , Jeff Sirum, Miguel, Manny, Ken Frey, Dick Patterson, Dave Linzi, Gene Dotson, Frank Jenkins and others is just not helping any of us. This may be unique to the RV world and sometimes folks may not even think about this which means we need to work harder to help them understand if not for so many working hard to keep parts available--- it's not the case of "find the part if you can". We know the parts and we can help you usually save money but at least know you have someone to help you with your parts in installation, adjustment and maintining them.
>
> Just called JIm K. and asked him what this was all about-- looks like I did miss a past thread when this was a new topic. Well, it's now new to me and I really do have something to say. "If you don't use it you loose it", if you do not support the GMC dealer network it will go away. It's not like we can sell to somebody with a Winnabago! If you do not support our efforts we go away. I'm already spending part of my waking time pushing Fire Fight Products as Jim K. has Applied filters to help keep our other businesses afloat. The original GM part numbers are long gone, even the dealer to vendor books I fave from GM are pretty much historical. We have to search hard to find things, we need folks to buy parts to keep us working.
>
> Don't make the "support your vendors" saying just lip service-- YOU make a difference, every one of you. Lurkers and new GMC owners please understand availability of parts makes the GMC stand out, having lagitimate dealers who still support the GMC makes it stand out, don't take this for granted. You can differ with my opinion, if so don't call me when you look everywhere and can't find a part. I'm here for more than that.
>
> Jim Bounds
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