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Wed, 16 October 2013 11:48  |
zhagrieb
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I got an email from Bill Massey but signed by Emery Storer, stating that any GMCMI member who chooses not to maintain FMCA membership (and not attend the conventions), will be reclassified as an "Associate Member" and will be taken off the roster.
What's up with that?
Glenn
Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG
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| Re: New "Associate Member" classification [message #225842 is a reply to message #225834] |
Wed, 16 October 2013 12:54  |
1275gtsport
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As a member of a local Car club I can see the need to have a larger body that either helps to manage the small clubs (charters and other rules) or at least holds an affordable insurance policy. our little car club would never be able to afford the 5mil liability insurance. we only have about 20 members.
personally I don't see much of a possibility of me attending a rally. from a personal point of view I was not planning on renewing the FMCA this year. If it looks like I will be able to attend a convention in the future I will renew the FMCA at that time.
I don't like being dropped from the roster I will STILL be a member of GMCMHI. which reminds me my phone number did not show up in the Jan 2013 roster not sure why not.
Adam Raeburn
Rothesay, NB
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1977 GMC Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] New "Associate Member" classification [message #225857 is a reply to message #225834] |
Wed, 16 October 2013 15:41 |
emerystora
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Glenn
You must not be a current member of FMCA or you would not have gotten that email from Billy Massey.
Instead of bring up your question on the GMCnet why didn't you contact me or your GMCMI area vice president? The GMCnet is not affiliated with GMCMI. However, since I am active on the GMCnet I will answer your question here.
GMC Motorhomes International motorhome club is a Chapter of FMCA.
FMCA provides an insurance program covering members of its chapters for their rallies, officer liability, publications liability and website liability.
Without that insurance GMCMI and other chapters of FMCA would not be able to stay in existence, or the club and its officers would all be subject to possible lawsuits in case of someone getting killed or injured in case of any perceived liability by the club.
From time to time FMCA sends notices to people that they have not paid their dues. Then, after a time, and repeated notices to the past due member they drop them from membership in FMCA. Then FMCA sends notice to GMCMI regarding members not renewing their FMCA dues. So we then send letters or email out to those members reminding them to get current with FMCA and telling that that if they are not in good standing with FMCA we would be forced to not renew them into GMCMI and they would not be able to attend conventions as they, and GMCMI, would not be covered by the insurance FMCA provides.
Recently I have had several discussions with FMCA to find out if there would be any way for GMCMI to maintain affiliation with those people.
So, as a courtesy, or service, to those people we have now come up with an Associate Member program which would allow those people to still get mailings of GMCMI newsletters, etc. but they would not be in our roster of members and would not be eligible to attend conventions.
From time to time we also get inquiries from people that don't own a motorhome but are thinking of purchasing a GMC. In the past we could not make them members because they did not meet the requirements of FMCA. Now we can offer them an Associate Membership so they could get our mailings and view all areas of our Website.
The letter sent over my name, Emery StorA, did not say that any GMCMI member who chooses not to maintain FMCA membership would be reclassified as an Associate Member. This would not be automatic. In order for that GMCer to become an Associate Member they would have to let us know that they are not an FMCA member or have not renewed with FMCA and to pay the next years dues for GMCMI and then we would make them an Associate Member. You could think of this as a publications subscription. They would get the club mailings but not be a Member.
Several other GMC clubs have the same problem with non-FMCA members. Those clubs also would have a big liability problem and, if the officers are made aware of their individual liability, they would likely have difficulty recruiting officers in this litigious age.
Just for further information, GMCMI has never required that a Member own a GMC Motorhome. They just have to meet the FMCA requirements which is to own at least 1/3 of a "qualifying" motorhome. So, even if you own an SOB (some other brand) you can be a GMCMI member.
Emery Stora
On Oct 16, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Glenn Giere wrote:
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> I got an email from Bill Massey but signed by Emery Storer, stating that any GMCMI member who chooses not to maintain FMCA membership (and not attend the conventions), will be reclassified as an "Associate Member" and will be taken off the roster (but will continue to pay the same dues).
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> What's up with that?
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> Glenn
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| Re: [GMCnet] New "Associate Member" classification [message #225886 is a reply to message #225866] |
Wed, 16 October 2013 19:55 |
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What Emery didn't say that this was a subject of discussion at Branson. It
was obvious to me that the leadership was seeking a way to straddle the
fence -- meet FMCA requirements (which I am in agreement with) and provide
the publications to those who desire them.
Now for my personal opinion. Knowing what it costs to print and mail the
things GMCMI does is an interesting study of cost analysis. If you think
you're getting a bad deal, think again. GMCMI members get a lot of bang for
their buck.
So, if you choose not to be a member of FMCA (I'll refrain from mentioning
anything about being foolish) and get the parts interchange and other
information (assuming you don't read the ladies page which, by the way, is
well written and interesting) then you're still getting a good deal. GMCMI
sends nothing to FMCA. The rallies are self-supporting. So, what you pay to
GMCMI for dues essentially keeps the publications going.
I agree with Emery -- there is no butt covering to be done. It's just a
business decision and I do believe a few of you understand that.
Byron
Emery Stora wrote:
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> On Oct 16, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Gary Berry wrote:
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>> Hey Emory;
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>> I did read your letter and it is all about covering the
>> Internationals butt. You know that because you wrote it. Come on, stop
>> trying to start something where there really isn't anything.
>>
>> --
>> Gary and Diana Berry
>> 73 CL Stretch in Wa.
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> NOT TRUE!
> GMCMI was being told by FMCA that it could not keep anyone as a member if they
> were not also FMCA members.
> The Associate Membership was our attempt to try to keep an affiliation with
> those GMCers rather than just drop them like a hot potato.
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> I don't see this in way as "but covering". I feel that you are "trying to
> start something where there really isn't anything."
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> I see it as a solution to a problem.
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> You and I have been friends for a long, long time. Lets just agree to
> disagree.
>
> Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] New "Associate Member" classification [message #225894 is a reply to message #225886] |
Wed, 16 October 2013 21:58 |
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USAussie
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Byron,
There is one thing further I don't understand and would like to hear an explanation for is why do people who are NOT members of
GMCMI criticize what GMCMI does!
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Byron Songer
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:55 PM
To: GMC List
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New "Associate Member" classification
What Emery didn't say that this was a subject of discussion at Branson. It
was obvious to me that the leadership was seeking a way to straddle the
fence -- meet FMCA requirements (which I am in agreement with) and provide
the publications to those who desire them.
Now for my personal opinion. Knowing what it costs to print and mail the
things GMCMI does is an interesting study of cost analysis. If you think
you're getting a bad deal, think again. GMCMI members get a lot of bang for
their buck.
So, if you choose not to be a member of FMCA (I'll refrain from mentioning
anything about being foolish) and get the parts interchange and other
information (assuming you don't read the ladies page which, by the way, is
well written and interesting) then you're still getting a good deal. GMCMI
sends nothing to FMCA. The rallies are self-supporting. So, what you pay to
GMCMI for dues essentially keeps the publications going.
I agree with Emery -- there is no butt covering to be done. It's just a
business decision and I do believe a few of you understand that.
Byron
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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| Re: New "Associate Member" classification [message #225902 is a reply to message #225834] |
Wed, 16 October 2013 23:17 |
zhagrieb
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Emery,
I'd be quite happy to contact you directly, how would I do that?
FYI I am a member of FMCI so have no idea why I received that email. Further, I have not been on the roster for several years in spite of several queries as to why. Perhaps you can address that issue.
Glenn
Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG
'73 "Moby the Motorhome" 26'
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| Re: New "Associate Member" classification [message #225907 is a reply to message #225902] |
Thu, 17 October 2013 00:51 |
jim kanomata
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Having been on the board, I have been in deep discussions on this subject more than I would like to be.
FMCA is our liability insurance people and International formed a committee of 3 to do an indepth study and report to the board.
I was hoping that the commitie would find and recommend a way to break away from them and have a inexpensive liability coverage.
When the report was completed to the board, it became evident that there was no worthwhile way to break away.
Emory might have been jumpy on this subject as he has spent considerable time in trying to come up a win win situation so those that do not want to pay the $40 membership can still have the benefits as a paid member of International.
Emory had been communicating with FMCA officers for several month and finally was able to come of with what I consider as a win win resolution.
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
http://www.appliedgmc.com
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| Re: New "Associate Member" classification [message #225909 is a reply to message #225834] |
Thu, 17 October 2013 01:04 |
appie
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Does that mean that we that live outside the USA now can become affiliated members og the GMCMI without needing to member the FMCA ?
Appie
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Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
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| Re: [GMCnet] New "Associate Member" classification [message #225919 is a reply to message #225894] |
Thu, 17 October 2013 06:59 |
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Rob,
There are probably two reasons. Pick the one you like. One, there are fools
loose in the universe and they own computers. Two, some people prefer to
live in the negative tense. The scary thing is that both types vote.
(Oh, no. I just explained the rationale for the behavior of Congress.)
Byron
Rob Mueller wrote:
> Byron,
>
> There is one thing further I don't understand and would like to hear an
> explanation for is why do people who are NOT members of
> GMCMI criticize what GMCMI does!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Byron Songer
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:55 PM
> To: GMC List
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New "Associate Member" classification
>
> What Emery didn't say that this was a subject of discussion at Branson. It
> was obvious to me that the leadership was seeking a way to straddle the
> fence -- meet FMCA requirements (which I am in agreement with) and provide
> the publications to those who desire them.
>
> Now for my personal opinion. Knowing what it costs to print and mail the
> things GMCMI does is an interesting study of cost analysis. If you think
> you're getting a bad deal, think again. GMCMI members get a lot of bang for
> their buck.
>
> So, if you choose not to be a member of FMCA (I'll refrain from mentioning
> anything about being foolish) and get the parts interchange and other
> information (assuming you don't read the ladies page which, by the way, is
> well written and interesting) then you're still getting a good deal. GMCMI
> sends nothing to FMCA. The rallies are self-supporting. So, what you pay to
> GMCMI for dues essentially keeps the publications going.
>
> I agree with Emery -- there is no butt covering to be done. It's just a
> business decision and I do believe a few of you understand that.
>
> Byron
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] New "Associate Member" classification [message #225963 is a reply to message #225919] |
Thu, 17 October 2013 13:48 |
Guy Lopes
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And the Senate
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> On Oct 17, 2013, at 4:59, Byron Songer <bsonger@songerconsulting.net> wrote:
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> Rob,
>
> There are probably two reasons. Pick the one you like. One, there are fools
> loose in the universe and they own computers. Two, some people prefer to
> live in the negative tense. The scary thing is that both types vote.
>
> (Oh, no. I just explained the rationale for the behavior of Congress.)
>
> Byron
>
>
> Rob Mueller wrote:
>
>> Byron,
>>
>> There is one thing further I don't understand and would like to hear an
>> explanation for is why do people who are NOT members of
>> GMCMI criticize what GMCMI does!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Byron Songer
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:55 PM
>> To: GMC List
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New "Associate Member" classification
>>
>> What Emery didn't say that this was a subject of discussion at Branson. It
>> was obvious to me that the leadership was seeking a way to straddle the
>> fence -- meet FMCA requirements (which I am in agreement with) and provide
>> the publications to those who desire them.
>>
>> Now for my personal opinion. Knowing what it costs to print and mail the
>> things GMCMI does is an interesting study of cost analysis. If you think
>> you're getting a bad deal, think again. GMCMI members get a lot of bang for
>> their buck.
>>
>> So, if you choose not to be a member of FMCA (I'll refrain from mentioning
>> anything about being foolish) and get the parts interchange and other
>> information (assuming you don't read the ladies page which, by the way, is
>> well written and interesting) then you're still getting a good deal. GMCMI
>> sends nothing to FMCA. The rallies are self-supporting. So, what you pay to
>> GMCMI for dues essentially keeps the publications going.
>>
>> I agree with Emery -- there is no butt covering to be done. It's just a
>> business decision and I do believe a few of you understand that.
>>
>> Byron
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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