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Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222455 is a reply to message #222449] Sat, 14 September 2013 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You are doing overkill on the vacuuming. You don't have to do so much.

I have done many systems where I vacuumed for 1 or 2 hours and they all worked fine.

Emery Stora

On Sep 14, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Tom Lopez <elitesdc@charter.net> wrote:

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> Well, I've had the a/c system vacuuming since Friday at noon except for several hours (1 hour last night and 2 hours tonight). Both times when I let it rest the needle did not move from the 30hg mark. I put the vacuum back on will let it run till the morning where I will check the hold one more time for a couple of hours and if it still holds will then charge it up with duracool. Then I guess I will know if my compressor is good or bad. If bad I will be sad, but if good I will be extra happy since I didn't have to buy a new compressor and that means that I only had a clogged system. I' m praying for the best. :roll:
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Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222501 is a reply to message #222455] Sun, 15 September 2013 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222509 is a reply to message #222501] Sun, 15 September 2013 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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TL wrote on Sun, 15 September 2013 06:50

Turned off vacuum at 4:00 am and it held 30hg for 3 hours. Filled it up with 3 cans of duracool, but I'm not sure about the pressures. Temp is 54 outside and slow rain drizzle, low pressure reads 22psi and high reads 100psi. Compressor is working but shouldn't the high pressure be more ??

That's all I can do at this point, taking the grandkids on a short trip this weekend and won't be able to get back at it until Thur or Friday.
Just not sure and it's not hot enough to really use a/c. Confused

Likely normal considering the weather conditions was the air leaving the outlets cold?


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Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222511 is a reply to message #222509] Sun, 15 September 2013 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Likely normal considering the weather conditions was the air leaving the
outlets cold?

you should get 40 deg diff no matter what the temps


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Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222525 is a reply to message #222455] Sun, 15 September 2013 14:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Emery Stora wrote on Sat, 14 September 2013 19:37

You are doing overkill on the vacuuming. You don't have to do so much.

I have done many systems where I vacuumed for 1 or 2 hours and they all worked fine.

Emery Stora
I told him that Friday, but he got a couple of posts subsequent to that telling him to run it overnight.

I can only guess they overlooked the fact that he put in a spanking new dehydrator immediately before sealing it up and applying the vacuum.
Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222528 is a reply to message #222525] Sun, 15 September 2013 14:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My recommendation on how long to leave the vacuum pump running, was based
on two things. 1. My General Motors training on air conditioning. It goes
something like this: If the system has NO existing pressure, and/or has
been opened to the atmosphere, consider it to be contaminated. Do the "full
meal deal" . That means remove the dessicant/dryer and replace it, flush
the system, (I was taught to use R -12) but we know now that is a bad
thing. Then purge the system..In high humidity areas, pull a full vacuum at
least overnight, then a "Suitable" wait time under vacuum to leak check it.
Then, charge the system with the appropriate refrigerant as well as the
correct amount depending on size of system and the temperature range. Check
under load, look for at least 45 degrees temp variant from ambient air at
the vents.
2. Personal experience with various A/C systems. But, all that being said.
Will a "short pull" on the vacuum pump work? Yes, most of the time. IF THE
SYSTEM IS NOT CONTAMINATED..Jwihf.
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On Sep 15, 2013 12:25 PM, "A." <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:

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> Emery Stora wrote on Sat, 14 September 2013 19:37
> > You are doing overkill on the vacuuming. You don't have to do so much.
> >
> > I have done many systems where I vacuumed for 1 or 2 hours and they all
> worked fine.
> >
> > Emery Stora
> I told him that Friday, but he got a couple of posts subsequent to that
> telling him to run it overnight.
>
> I can only guess they overlooked the fact that he put in a spanking new
> dehydrator immediately before sealing it up and applying the vacuum.
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Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222560 is a reply to message #222528] Sun, 15 September 2013 18:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G'day,

Can anyone tell me what harm can be done to the A/C system if it is left at vacuum overnight?

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Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222567 is a reply to message #222560] Sun, 15 September 2013 18:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rob, yes, someone can tell you that. But, not me. (grin) Look me up at
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On Sep 15, 2013 4:06 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:

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> Can anyone tell me what harm can be done to the A/C system if it is left
> at vacuum overnight?
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Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222574 is a reply to message #222560] Sun, 15 September 2013 18:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Date: Sunday, September 15, 2013, 11:06 PM

G'day,

Can anyone tell me what harm can be done to the A/C system
if it is left at vacuum overnight?

Regards,
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Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222580 is a reply to message #222560] Sun, 15 September 2013 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robert Mueller wrote on Sun, 15 September 2013 19:06

G'day,

Can anyone tell me what harm can be done to the A/C system if it is left at vacuum overnight?

Regards,
Rob M.

Rob,

None.

The vacuum pump I use most does not inched or mercury, it doesn't even think about millimeters of mercury, it hits its stride a 1 micron of mercury on on its way to 0.1 micron. I've been know to let it run on automotive systems overnight. It will dry a desiccant dryer if I need it to. It has never done any damage that I could detect even years later.

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Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222583 is a reply to message #222560] Sun, 15 September 2013 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robert Mueller wrote on Sun, 15 September 2013 16:06

G'day,

Can anyone tell me what harm can be done to the A/C system if it is left at vacuum overnight?

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Leaving the system in a vacuum over night or for a week can't hurt it but if it has a small leak air will be sucked into the system. If the stuff that was oozing out was water rather then oil leaving the vacuum pump running over night would be a good thing. Also when pulling a vacuum it is a good practice to run the vacuum pump a little while then break the vacuum with refrigerant to 0 pounds then pull your deep vacuum. On large systems doing it a few times is better.


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Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222642 is a reply to message #222583] Mon, 16 September 2013 08:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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roy1 wrote on Sun, 15 September 2013 20:28

Leaving the system in a vacuum over night or for a week can't hurt it but if it has a small leak air will be sucked into the system. If the stuff that was oozing out was water rather then oil leaving the vacuum pump running over night would be a good thing.

Also when pulling a vacuum it is a good practice to run the vacuum pump a little while then break the vacuum with refrigerant to 0 pounds then pull your deep vacuum. On large systems doing it a few times is better.

The second paragraph is what I was instructed to do when in MEBA Reefer School (40+years ago). But the practice had to be dropped because:
Discharging refrigerant became a NO-NO
Refrigerant prices went up like Gas Prices

The practice is very good if you are clearing a system.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] AC Diagnosis [message #222676 is a reply to message #222580] Mon, 16 September 2013 11:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Matt Colie wrote on Sun, 15 September 2013 19:11


None.

The vacuum pump I use most does not inched or mercury, it doesn't even think about millimeters of mercury, it hits its stride a 1 micron of mercury on on its way to 0.1 micron. I've been know to let it run on automotive systems overnight. It will dry a desiccant dryer if I need it to. It has never done any damage that I could detect even years later.

Matt


Dang Matt, you doing some vapor deposition over there? Smile


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