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Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222014] Wed, 11 September 2013 01:00 Go to next message
jturbo is currently offline  jturbo   United States
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I just replaced my fuel pump.

Now replacing the fuel line to carb with the insulated bendable one.

Does anyone know which direction it goes?

I have tried it two way but problem is the line cannot lat flat on top of engine due to the vacuum tree.

Cannot get it to lay low enough to put back on air cleaner


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Re: Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222019 is a reply to message #222014] Wed, 11 September 2013 05:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just had the same problem and have been meaning to call Jim Bounds about it. My steel line went from the fuel pump, in front of the thermostat gooseneck and wrapped back around to screw into the carb.

The new line is long enough to do the same thing but the angle is wrong to line up with the carb. It looks to be 180 degrees off.

I was able to get it on by kind of rolling it around the left side of the gooseneck.


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Re: Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222020 is a reply to message #222014] Wed, 11 September 2013 05:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerry pinkerton is currently offline  kerry pinkerton   United States
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I just found the instructions on the Coop website.

http://www.gmccoop.com/carb_line_ins.htm

I had no idea you could rotate the fitting on the fuel pump. Shocked


Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
Re: Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222021 is a reply to message #222020] Wed, 11 September 2013 06:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You might find it easier with the carb loosened from the four bolts mounting it to the manifold. Allows you the move the carb and vary the angle of attack to the carb inlet. JWID
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Re: Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222022 is a reply to message #222014] Wed, 11 September 2013 06:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerry pinkerton is currently offline  kerry pinkerton   United States
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I misunderstood the directions, the fuel pump fitting is fixed, you just rotate the hose once it's screwed in. Also the end that goes on the pump is the 45 degree one....not the 90. Mine really on wrong...

Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
Re: Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222023 is a reply to message #222014] Wed, 11 September 2013 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am confused. Why are people having to replace a steel fuel line on the front of the engine? That seems like a strange thing to wear out.

Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222024 is a reply to message #222023] Wed, 11 September 2013 07:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Burton wrote on Wed, 11 September 2013 07:00

I am confused. Why are people having to replace a steel fuel line on the front of the engine? That seems like a strange thing to wear out.


Can't speak for others but mine had a rounded nut at the carb from POs using vice grips on it. Some folks have great difficulty getting them to fit into the filter and even have to loosen the carb to get it to screw in. This unit is a little flexible and insulated.

Comes with no instructions and I guess you have to know that it is documented on their website. I didn't.


Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222025 is a reply to message #222022] Wed, 11 September 2013 07:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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WARNING!

Make sure you ROTATE the hose on the fuel pump end; DO NOT TIGHTEN IT UP then twist it to fit.

Once both ends are on and started; finger tighten them as far as they'll go then snug them up making sure you DON'T twist the line.

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Pinkerton

I misunderstood the directions, the fuel pump fitting is fixed, you just rotate the hose once it's screwed in. Also the end that
goes on the pump is the 45 degree one....not the 90. Mine really on wrong...
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Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222029 is a reply to message #222023] Wed, 11 September 2013 08:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've seen them crack and leak.  They are difficult to install which is why people often loosen the carb first.  When the carb is tightened back down stress in the steel tube can eventually cause a fatigue crack.


JP


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>I am confused.  Why are people having to replace a steel fuel line on the front of the engine?  That seems like a strange thing to wear out.
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Re: Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222038 is a reply to message #222023] Wed, 11 September 2013 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
A Hamilto is currently offline  A Hamilto   United States
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Ken Burton wrote on Wed, 11 September 2013 07:00

I am confused. Why are people having to replace a steel fuel line on the front of the engine? That seems like a strange thing to wear out.
I had to replace the fuel pump. The steel line twisted into a pretzel when I was trying to loosen it. In hindsight, some penetrating oil might have prevented that. I dunno.
Re: Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222060 is a reply to message #222038] Wed, 11 September 2013 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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P.O. rounded the nut, destroyed the fitting and installed a butchered carb, not OEM. Dick Paterson could not even identify the carb, it was so bad.
New line and a Paterson rebuild makes it all right.
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Re: Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222073 is a reply to message #222060] Wed, 11 September 2013 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK Tom. I just wondered why enough people needed a replacement to cause Jim Bounds to have them made up. I guess I understand. That replacement looks like a good offering and I like the added insulation.

For people with a good line, an insulated covering of fire sleeve (used in air planes) will do a good job.



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Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222121 is a reply to message #222014] Thu, 12 September 2013 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Applied GMC sells one that goes around the L side of the waterpump
housing. All pre-bent and it is a precise fit. So close, in fact, that
it's best to loosen the carb to intake fasteners when connecting the line.
Steve F.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM, john <tg16jturbo@mac.com> wrote:

>
>
> I just replaced my fuel pump.
>
> Now replacing the fuel line to carb with the insulated bendable one.
>
> Does anyone know which direction it goes?
>
> I have tried it two way but problem is the line cannot lat flat on top of
> engine due to the vacuum tree.
>
> Cannot get it to lay low enough to put back on air cleaner
> --
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> 1977 Birchaven 455
> 1977 Kingsley 455
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Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222123 is a reply to message #222121] Thu, 12 September 2013 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Those will only fit if you have the original one-outlet fuel pump.

They will NOT fit if somebody has replace the original with the two-outlet pump to fit Toronado with A/C.

This also applies to the fire-insulated line from Jim B (COOP).

I have one of each and will bring the Applied GMC (Jim K) solid line to Branson if somebody wants one.


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> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 06:18:13 -0700
> From: botiemad11@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help
>
> Applied GMC sells one that goes around the L side of the waterpump
> housing. All pre-bent and it is a precise fit. So close, in fact, that
> it's best to loosen the carb to intake fasteners when connecting the line.
> Steve F.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM, john <tg16jturbo@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >
> I just replaced my fuel pump.
> >
> > Now replacing the fuel line to carb with the insulated bendable one.
> >
> > Does anyone know which direction it goes?
> >
> > I have tried it two way but problem is the line cannot lat flat on top of
> > engine due to the vacuum tree.
> >
> > Cannot get it to lay low enough to put back on air cleaner
> > --
> > 1978 Royal 403
> > 1977 Birchaven 455
> > 1977 Kingsley 455
> >
> > All under Upgrading and restoration
> >
> > Rosemead California
>
>
> --
> Take care,
> Steve

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Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222124 is a reply to message #222121] Thu, 12 September 2013 08:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Steve,

I'm confused! Are you saying that Applied sells a hard line of flexible line?

I fitted the insulated flex line because it made it easier to check the filter in the carb. With the flex line I don't have to
loosen the Q-Jet mounting bolts to check the filter.

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Ferguson

Applied GMC sells one that goes around the L side of the waterpump
housing. All pre-bent and it is a precise fit. So close, in fact, that
it's best to loosen the carb to intake fasteners when connecting the line.
Steve F.

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Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222131 is a reply to message #222124] Thu, 12 September 2013 12:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rob, I bought my "solid" steel line from Applied (Jim K).

The somwhat flexible, insulated line came from COOP (Jim B).



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> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:56:42 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help
>
> Steve,
>
> I'm confused! Are you saying that Applied sells a hard line of flexible line?
>
> I fitted the insulated flex line because it made it easier to check the filter in the carb. With the flex line I don't have to
> loosen the Q-Jet mounting bolts to check the filter.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Ferguson
>
> Applied GMC sells one that goes around the L side of the waterpump
> housing. All pre-bent and it is a precise fit. So close, in fact, that
> it's best to loosen the carb to intake fasteners when connecting the line.
> Steve F.

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Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222146 is a reply to message #222123] Thu, 12 September 2013 15:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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Why would anyone use a two outlet fuel pump when it is not necessary? Just
one more fitting to leak.
Steve F


On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 6:37 AM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>wrote:

> Those will only fit if you have the original one-outlet fuel pump.
>
> They will NOT fit if somebody has replace the original with the two-outlet
> pump to fit Toronado with A/C.
>
> This also applies to the fire-insulated line from Jim B (COOP).
>
> I have one of each and will bring the Applied GMC (Jim K) solid line to
> Branson if somebody wants one.
>
>
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> > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 06:18:13 -0700
> > From: botiemad11@gmail.com
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help
> >
> > Applied GMC sells one that goes around the L side of the waterpump
> > housing. All pre-bent and it is a precise fit. So close, in fact, that
> > it's best to loosen the carb to intake fasteners when connecting the
> line.
> > Steve F.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM, john <tg16jturbo@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > I just replaced my fuel pump.
> > >
> > > Now replacing the fuel line to carb with the insulated bendable one.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know which direction it goes?
> > >
> > > I have tried it two way but problem is the line cannot lat flat on top
> of
> > > engine due to the vacuum tree.
> > >
> > > Cannot get it to lay low enough to put back on air cleaner
> > > --
> > > 1978 Royal 403
> > > 1977 Birchaven 455
> > > 1977 Kingsley 455
> > >
> > > All under Upgrading and restoration
> > >
> > > Rosemead California
> >
> >
> > --
> > Take care,
> > Steve
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Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222147 is a reply to message #222124] Thu, 12 September 2013 15:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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Rob. Negative. I said that the replacement hard fuel lines that Applied
sells go around the port side of the thermostat housing. Much easier to
deal with. I recently installed one on Alan Delucca's coach. Nice fit.
Steve


On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:

> Steve,
>
> I'm confused! Are you saying that Applied sells a hard line of flexible
> line?
>
> I fitted the insulated flex line because it made it easier to check the
> filter in the carb. With the flex line I don't have to
> loosen the Q-Jet mounting bolts to check the filter.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Ferguson
>
> Applied GMC sells one that goes around the L side of the waterpump
> housing. All pre-bent and it is a precise fit. So close, in fact, that
> it's best to loosen the carb to intake fasteners when connecting the line.
> Steve F.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222180 is a reply to message #222146] Thu, 12 September 2013 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Apparently, the 2-hole pumps get used when proper pump is not available. My coach has the 2-holer and the vacuum lines are a nightmare!

Mac in OKC
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On Sep 12, 2013, at 15:56, "Steven Ferguson" <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:

Why would anyone use a two outlet fuel pump when it is not necessary? Just
one more fitting to leak.
Steve F


On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 6:37 AM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>wrote:

> Those will only fit if you have the original one-outlet fuel pump.
>
> They will NOT fit if somebody has replace the original with the two-outlet
> pump to fit Toronado with A/C.
>
> This also applies to the fire-insulated line from Jim B (COOP).
>
> I have one of each and will bring the Applied GMC (Jim K) solid line to
> Branson if somebody wants one.
>
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
> ~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
> ~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
> ~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
> ~ ~ ~ ~ TZE166V101966 ~ ~ ~ ~
> ~ ~ ~ '76 ex-Palm Beach ~ ~ ~
> ~~ k2gkk + hotmail dot com ~~
> ~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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>> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 06:18:13 -0700
>> From: botiemad11@gmail.com
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Insulated bendable fuel line help
>>
>> Applied GMC sells one that goes around the L side of the waterpump
>> housing. All pre-bent and it is a precise fit. So close, in fact, that
>> it's best to loosen the carb to intake fasteners when connecting the
> line.
>> Steve F.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM, john <tg16jturbo@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>> I just replaced my fuel pump.
>>>
>>> Now replacing the fuel line to carb with the insulated bendable one.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know which direction it goes?
>>>
>>> I have tried it two way but problem is the line cannot lat flat on top
> of
>>> engine due to the vacuum tree.
>>>
>>> Cannot get it to lay low enough to put back on air cleaner
>>> --
>>> 1978 Royal 403
>>> 1977 Birchaven 455
>>> 1977 Kingsley 455
>>>
>>> All under Upgrading and restoration
>>>
>>> Rosemead California
>>
>>
>> --
>> Take care,
>> Steve
>
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Re: Insulated bendable fuel line help [message #222288 is a reply to message #222014] Fri, 13 September 2013 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I put the one on that I got from JimK with the 45 at the carb pointing off to the right of the rad hose and straight down to fuel pump..(Dont have tree)

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