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| [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height [message #220659] |
Sat, 31 August 2013 12:16  |
Jeff Marten
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I'll be checking the ride height today. Do I need an unloader tool for the torsion bolts, or is jacking it up enough to unload so I don't strip the bolts?
Thanks!
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| Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height [message #220675 is a reply to message #220671] |
Sat, 31 August 2013 13:35  |
Jeff Marten
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Well, looks like I'll just measure everything, then adjust the rears based on the current height of the fronts.
I have read that jacking it up until the front tire is off the ground will unload the bar and allow adjustment, is this not the case? (just for clarification) The manual really didn't say much at all about the front adjustment.
> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 11:14:04 -0700
> From: jamesh1296@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height
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> Do NOT ADJUST THE RIDE HEIGHT WITHOUT AN UNLOADER TOOL. YOU WILL STRIP THE
> THREADS ON THE ADJUSTMENT NUT AND BOLT IF YOU DO IT. THE REPLACEMENT NUT
> COSTS $70.00.
> JIM Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 Gmc Royale 403
> On Aug 31, 2013 10:16 AM, "Jeff Marten" <jtmarten@msn.com> wrote:
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> > I'll be checking the ride height today. Do I need an unloader tool for
> > the torsion bolts, or is jacking it up enough to unload so I don't strip
> > the bolts?
> >
> > Thanks!
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| Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height [message #220679 is a reply to message #220675] |
Sat, 31 August 2013 13:55 |
powerjon
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Jeff,
Just jacking it up will not unload the torsion bar! It takes an unloading tool to do it without damaging the bolt. The front and rear ride heights needs to be set correctly before doing an alignment.
This is from any earlier Email from Jerry Work who sell the alignment tools.
The way I find works for most coaches is to first and foremost, set ride height dead on the factory spec. Drive the coach two to five miles to be sure ride height remains correct after the suspension fully settles. Factory settings are to the TOP of the slot. The go/no go gauge I supply with my alignment kits works to the CENTER of the slot as the head makes up for the +- built into the factory spec.
When you are sure ride height is correct, then push or drive your coach up onto the turn plates. Do not jack up the coach at this point! Turn the steering wheel to lock one way, mark the steering wheel and a spot on the dash just as JimH said, then count steering wheel rotations back to lock the other way. Now move the wheel half that number of turns and your steering box will be centered. I have heard, but don't know that some early steering boxes had no stops so am not sure if this works for all coaches, but it does for most.
Now attach the stand off arms arms from the alignment kit to both front wheels and the laser targets to the frame one side at a time. Treat the two front wheels independently. Loosen the locks and turn the tie rod adjusters to bring both wheels to be frame parallel independently. Pay no attention to where the steering wheel points! You first want both front wheels parallel with the frame WITH THE STEERING BOX CENTERED. This is your starting point. if you have an adjustable drag link, use that to bring the steering wheel to straight. If not, move the steering wheel on the shaft without moving the steering box joist like JimH said. The key is both wheels frame parallel with the steering box centered. The position of the wheel is cosmetic, while the position of the box and wheels is critical.
Ride height first. Steering box centered second. Front wheels frame parallel third. Caster forth. Camber fifth. Measuring rear wheels for frame parallel sixth. Measuring rear wheels for camber seventh. Do all your checking and adjusting in this order and you will be right on every time. Mix up the order and you are only guessing.......and the Gods of chance will determine how your coach drives.
My experience, anyway. Hope this helps.
Jerry
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
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On Aug 31, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Jeff Marten <jtmarten@msn.com> wrote:
> Well, looks like I'll just measure everything, then adjust the rears based on the current height of the fronts.
>
> I have read that jacking it up until the front tire is off the ground will unload the bar and allow adjustment, is this not the case? (just for clarification) The manual really didn't say much at all about the front adjustment.
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 11:14:04 -0700
>> From: jamesh1296@gmail.com
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height
>>
>> Do NOT ADJUST THE RIDE HEIGHT WITHOUT AN UNLOADER TOOL. YOU WILL STRIP THE
>> THREADS ON THE ADJUSTMENT NUT AND BOLT IF YOU DO IT. THE REPLACEMENT NUT
>> COSTS $70.00.
>> JIM Hupy
>> Salem, Or
>> 78 Gmc Royale 403
>> On Aug 31, 2013 10:16 AM, "Jeff Marten" <jtmarten@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be checking the ride height today. Do I need an unloader tool for
>>> the torsion bolts, or is jacking it up enough to unload so I don't strip
>>> the bolts?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height [message #220695 is a reply to message #220659] |
Sat, 31 August 2013 17:27 |
Jeff Marten
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Ok, took it to a parking lot in town. Fairly level, moreso than my driveway anyways. Had the system set to AUTO for my drive down there. I measured from the ground to the bottom of the frame under the slots, and as close as I could get on the left rear with the gen in the way.
Right side: 10.25" front, 9.125" rear
Left side: 9.75" front, 8.75" rear.
I left the right side as-is, lowered the left side rear about 1/2".
I'm wondering if the left side is a bit lower due to having full fuel tanks.
Drove about 15mi, mostly country highway, to pick up some breakfast burritos for dinner. She drove fine to 70mph, just a bit of mild wandering at times, but ......... then she was beginning to vapor lock after sitting at a few lights. Looks like it's time to sleeve the fuel line. Glad I had BMW's the last 4yrs, was a good initiation for GMC ownership!
Jeff Marten
Colorado Springs, Co
1978 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height [message #220696 is a reply to message #220695] |
Sat, 31 August 2013 17:32 |
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> From: jtmarten@msn.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:27:15 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height
>
> Ok, took it to a parking lot in town. Fairly level, moreso than my driveway anyways. Had the system set to AUTO for my drive down there. I measured from the ground to the bottom of the frame under the slots, and as close as I could get on the left rear with the gen in the way.
>
> Right side: 10.25" front, 9.125" rear
> Left side: 9.75" front, 8.75" rear.
>
> I left the right side as-is, lowered the left side rear about 1/2".
> I'm wondering if the left side is a bit lower due to having full fuel tanks.
>
> Drove about 15mi, mostly country highway, to pick up some breakfast burritos for dinner. She drove fine to 70mph, just a bit of mild wandering at times, but ......... then she was beginning to vapor lock after sitting at a few lights. Looks like it's time to sleeve the fuel line. Glad I had BMW's the last 4yrs, was a good initiation for GMC ownership!
>
> Jeff Marten
> Colorado Springs, Co
> 1978 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height [message #220697 is a reply to message #220696] |
Sat, 31 August 2013 17:37 |
Jeff Marten
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If I can handle the maintenance for an 850Ci's suspension and V12, this should be a piece of cake! LOL
> From: k2gkk@hotmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:32:44 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height
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> BMW: The Poor Man's Mercedes
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> If you weren't poor when you bought it, you soon would be.
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> > From: jtmarten@msn.com
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:27:15 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height
> >
> > Ok, took it to a parking lot in town. Fairly level, moreso than my driveway anyways. Had the system set to AUTO for my drive down there. I measured from the ground to the bottom of the frame under the slots, and as close as I could get on the left rear with the gen in the way.
> >
> > Right side: 10.25" front, 9.125" rear
> > Left side: 9.75" front, 8.75" rear.
> >
> > I left the right side as-is, lowered the left side rear about 1/2".
> > I'm wondering if the left side is a bit lower due to having full fuel tanks.
> >
> > Drove about 15mi, mostly country highway, to pick up some breakfast burritos for dinner. She drove fine to 70mph, just a bit of mild wandering at times, but ......... then she was beginning to vapor lock after sitting at a few lights. Looks like it's time to sleeve the fuel line. Glad I had BMW's the last 4yrs, was a good initiation for GMC ownership!
> >
> > Jeff Marten
> > Colorado Springs, Co
> > 1978 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height [message #220724 is a reply to message #220697] |
Sun, 01 September 2013 01:46 |
jimk
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Jeff,
Setting the height is done after you do the Tricycle test.
I learned this trick from Jim B several years ago.
I am too lazy to put this down, but after that you can level it and it will
work better.
Should you decide not to purchase the tool, we rent them.
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jeff Marten <jtmarten@msn.com> wrote:
> If I can handle the maintenance for an 850Ci's suspension and V12, this
> should be a piece of cake! LOL
>
> > From: k2gkk@hotmail.com
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:32:44 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height
> >
> > BMW: The Poor Man's Mercedes
> >
> > If you weren't poor when you bought it, you soon would be.
> >
> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> > ~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
> > ~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
> > ~~ k2gkk @ hotmail dot com ~~
> > ~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
> > ~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
> > ~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
> > ~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
> > ~~ k2gkk + hotmail dot com ~~
> > ~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> > (One-time 2800 sedan owner)
> >
> >
> > > From: jtmarten@msn.com
> > > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:27:15 -0600
> > > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height
> > >
> > > Ok, took it to a parking lot in town. Fairly level, moreso than my
> driveway anyways. Had the system set to AUTO for my drive down there. I
> measured from the ground to the bottom of the frame under the slots, and as
> close as I could get on the left rear with the gen in the way.
> > >
> > > Right side: 10.25" front, 9.125" rear
> > > Left side: 9.75" front, 8.75" rear.
> > >
> > > I left the right side as-is, lowered the left side rear about 1/2".
> > > I'm wondering if the left side is a bit lower due to having full fuel
> tanks.
> > >
> > > Drove about 15mi, mostly country highway, to pick up some breakfast
> burritos for dinner. She drove fine to 70mph, just a bit of mild wandering
> at times, but ......... then she was beginning to vapor lock after sitting
> at a few lights. Looks like it's time to sleeve the fuel line. Glad I had
> BMW's the last 4yrs, was a good initiation for GMC ownership!
> > >
> > > Jeff Marten
> > > Colorado Springs, Co
> > > 1978 Royale
> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height [message #220726 is a reply to message #220724] |
Sun, 01 September 2013 02:16 |
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Tricycle test. ?
what can that be?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height [message #220755 is a reply to message #220735] |
Sun, 01 September 2013 13:56 |
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I use to not pay attention to things like tire pressure,etc.
Having run our shop for 12 years dealing with only GMC coaches, I make sure
our guys perform all the little details as they do catch you off guard.
When I was working for Ford, we had our list of 20-30 things that we needed
to review with our dealers when they could not solve a problem.
The dealer service managers hated it when I would pull out the sheet s they
felt it was too basic.
When they did not want to work with me with the list, I would look at them
and tell them that I refuse to sign off the additional time they spent on
problem.
I myself did not believe in the list till I spoke to several of our Ford
field techs I respected, they convinced me that if used properly, lot of
the problems can be solved.
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Mark <mark@habcycles.com> wrote:
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> appie wrote on Sun, 01 September 2013 00:16
> > Tricycle test. ?
> >
> > what can that be?
>
> It's in here: http://www.gmcws.org/Tech/height-align.pdf
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| Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height [message #220774 is a reply to message #220755] |
Sun, 01 September 2013 16:49 |
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There's a reason one runs down all the items on the list before on aviates.
--johnny
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On Sun, 9/1/13, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Sunday, September 1, 2013, 6:56 PM
I use to not pay attention to things
like tire pressure,etc.
Having run our shop for 12 years dealing with only GMC
coaches, I make sure
our guys perform all the little details as they do catch you
off guard.
When I was working for Ford, we had our list of 20-30 things
that we needed
to review with our dealers when they could not solve a
problem.
The dealer service managers hated it when I would pull out
the sheet s they
felt it was too basic.
When they did not want to work with me with the list, I
would look at them
and tell them that I refuse to sign off the additional time
they spent on
problem.
I myself did not believe in the list till I spoke to several
of our Ford
field techs I respected, they convinced me that if used
properly, lot of
the problems can be solved.
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Mark <mark@habcycles.com>
wrote:
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>
> appie wrote on Sun, 01 September 2013 00:16
> > Tricycle test. ?
> >
> > what can that be?
>
> It's in here: http://www.gmcws.org/Tech/height-align.pdf
> --
> Mark Hickey
> Mesa, AZ
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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| Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height [message #220985 is a reply to message #220675] |
Tue, 03 September 2013 05:38 |
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I esniped a Pro Comp torsion bar tool on ebay last night, total with shipping was $46! Hopefully by the end of September I can have the ride height set and get an alignment done.
> From: jtmarten@msn.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:35:26 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height
>
> Well, looks like I'll just measure everything, then adjust the rears based on the current height of the fronts.
>
> I have read that jacking it up until the front tire is off the ground will unload the bar and allow adjustment, is this not the case? (just for clarification) The manual really didn't say much at all about the front adjustment.
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 11:14:04 -0700
> > From: jamesh1296@gmail.com
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Adjusting front ride height
> >
> > Do NOT ADJUST THE RIDE HEIGHT WITHOUT AN UNLOADER TOOL. YOU WILL STRIP THE
> > THREADS ON THE ADJUSTMENT NUT AND BOLT IF YOU DO IT. THE REPLACEMENT NUT
> > COSTS $70.00.
> > JIM Hupy
> > Salem, Or
> > 78 Gmc Royale 403
> > On Aug 31, 2013 10:16 AM, "Jeff Marten" <jtmarten@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'll be checking the ride height today. Do I need an unloader tool for
> > > the torsion bolts, or is jacking it up enough to unload so I don't strip
> > > the bolts?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
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