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| Re: [GMCnet] The KISS Parking Brake [message #220556] |
Fri, 30 August 2013 16:02  |
KB
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> And Karen , if the motor won't start there's no need to release the kiss brake ;)
OK, worst case scenario: you have the kiss brake installed.
The motor won't start. It needs to be towed. Your booster has
leaked down so much you can't get the hook off to release the brakes,
and you don't have an aux vac booster (which you really, really
should, but that's another topic).
Solution: loosen the nut holding the eye-bolt at the base
of the steering column to release the kiss brake.
The only issue to the KISS brake I see is the brake lights being on.
I don't know if moving those to a switched circuit would prevent
the hazard lights from working without the key in the ignition.
That could be a problem. You could add an interrupt (switch or fuse)
to the wires at the brake pedal switch, or just pull the plug off
the switch at the pedal temporarily (and add a note to yourself
to plug it back in...)
I just don't see the downside to such a simple, cheap solution
to a common problem. Thanks Kerry for thinking this up.
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] The KISS Parking Brake [message #220558 is a reply to message #220556] |
Fri, 30 August 2013 16:09  |
sgltrac
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Agreed Karen. If you don't like it then don't use it. I think.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
On Aug 30, 2013, at 2:02 PM, KB <kab7@sonic.net> wrote:
>> And Karen , if the motor won't start there's no need to release the kiss brake ;)
>
> OK, worst case scenario: you have the kiss brake installed.
> The motor won't start. It needs to be towed. Your booster has
> leaked down so much you can't get the hook off to release the brakes,
> and you don't have an aux vac booster (which you really, really
> should, but that's another topic).
>
> Solution: loosen the nut holding the eye-bolt at the base
> of the steering column to release the kiss brake.
>
> The only issue to the KISS brake I see is the brake lights being on.
> I don't know if moving those to a switched circuit would prevent
> the hazard lights from working without the key in the ignition.
> That could be a problem. You could add an interrupt (switch or fuse)
> to the wires at the brake pedal switch, or just pull the plug off
> the switch at the pedal temporarily (and add a note to yourself
> to plug it back in...)
>
> I just don't see the downside to such a simple, cheap solution
> to a common problem. Thanks Kerry for thinking this up.
>
> Karen
> 1973 23'
> 1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] The KISS Parking Brake [message #220562 is a reply to message #220556] |
Fri, 30 August 2013 17:14 |
emerystora
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Karen
There are other issues besides the brake lights. What if:
you develop a leak in a brake line or a wheel cylinder?
your master cylinder decides to leak fluid internally in the piston area? This happens a lot on master cylinders.
Both of these can cause loss of your parking brake.
Emery Stora
On Aug 30, 2013, at 3:02 PM, KB wrote:
>> And Karen , if the motor won't start there's no need to release the kiss brake ;)
>
> OK, worst case scenario: you have the kiss brake installed.
> The motor won't start. It needs to be towed. Your booster has
> leaked down so much you can't get the hook off to release the brakes,
> and you don't have an aux vac booster (which you really, really
> should, but that's another topic).
>
> Solution: loosen the nut holding the eye-bolt at the base
> of the steering column to release the kiss brake.
>
> The only issue to the KISS brake I see is the brake lights being on.
> I don't know if moving those to a switched circuit would prevent
> the hazard lights from working without the key in the ignition.
> That could be a problem. You could add an interrupt (switch or fuse)
> to the wires at the brake pedal switch, or just pull the plug off
> the switch at the pedal temporarily (and add a note to yourself
> to plug it back in...)
>
> I just don't see the downside to such a simple, cheap solution
> to a common problem. Thanks Kerry for thinking this up.
>
> Karen
> 1973 23'
> 1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] The KISS Parking Brake [message #220575 is a reply to message #220558] |
Fri, 30 August 2013 20:21 |
mickeysss
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The kiss brake is really part of obomacare!
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 30, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Todd Sullivan <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed Karen. If you don't like it then don't use it. I think.
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> Todd Sullivan
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> Sully
> 77 royale
> Seattle
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> On Aug 30, 2013, at 2:02 PM, KB <kab7@sonic.net> wrote:
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>>> And Karen , if the motor won't start there's no need to release the kiss brake ;)
>>
>> OK, worst case scenario: you have the kiss brake installed.
>> The motor won't start. It needs to be towed. Your booster has
>> leaked down so much you can't get the hook off to release the brakes,
>> and you don't have an aux vac booster (which you really, really
>> should, but that's another topic).
>>
>> Solution: loosen the nut holding the eye-bolt at the base
>> of the steering column to release the kiss brake.
>>
>> The only issue to the KISS brake I see is the brake lights being on.
>> I don't know if moving those to a switched circuit would prevent
>> the hazard lights from working without the key in the ignition.
>> That could be a problem. You could add an interrupt (switch or fuse)
>> to the wires at the brake pedal switch, or just pull the plug off
>> the switch at the pedal temporarily (and add a note to yourself
>> to plug it back in...)
>>
>> I just don't see the downside to such a simple, cheap solution
>> to a common problem. Thanks Kerry for thinking this up.
>>
>> Karen
>> 1973 23'
>> 1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] The KISS Parking Brake [message #220581 is a reply to message #220562] |
Fri, 30 August 2013 21:38 |
kerry pinkerton
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| emerystora wrote on Fri, 30 August 2013 17:14 |
Karen
There are other issues besides the brake lights. What if:
you develop a leak in a brake line or a wheel cylinder?
your master cylinder decides to leak fluid internally in the piston area? This happens a lot on master cylinders.
Both of these can cause loss of your parking brake.
Emery Stora
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Well Emery, wouldn't the same things happen driving down the road? With a much worse result. If you've got brake problems, yeah, using the brakes will make those problems show up.
Ok, playing devils advocate, assume you do have a problem with one brake circuit because of faulty components. What are the odds that you'd lose BOTH front and rear brake circuits?
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] The KISS Parking Brake [message #220582 is a reply to message #220581] |
Fri, 30 August 2013 21:47 |
Emery Stora
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On Aug 30, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@MCHSI.com> wrote:
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> emerystora wrote on Fri, 30 August 2013 17:14
>> Karen
>> There are other issues besides the brake lights. What if:
>>
>> you develop a leak in a brake line or a wheel cylinder?
>>
>> your master cylinder decides to leak fluid internally in the piston area? This happens a lot on master cylinders.
>>
>> Both of these can cause loss of your parking brake.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> ...
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> Well Emery, wouldn't the same things happen driving down the road?
I thought this was proposed as a parking brake, not a driving brake.
> With a much worse result. If you've got brake problems, yeah, using the brakes will make those problems show up.
>
> Ok, playing devils advocate, assume you do have a problem with one brake circuit because of faulty components. What are the odds that you'd lose BOTH front and rear brake circuits?
> --
As a parking brake my concern is that one might park on a grade and leave the motorhome and something like a seal on the piston in the master cylinder fails and the motorhome could go uncontrolled down the grade.
If that part failed when I was driving at least I could steer it.
I really don't see any advantage over a wheel chock.
Sorry. Just my opinion.
Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] The KISS Parking Brake [message #220592 is a reply to message #220585] |
Fri, 30 August 2013 22:54 |
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I think people should stop thinking outside the box. Why don't we just debate all new simple ideas to death prior to any real world data gathering of the benefit and actually do nothing. At least till everyone agrees it will work.
Any parking brake that works some of the time is better than one that doesn't work at all.
God didn't have a partner.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
On Aug 30, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@MCHSI.com> wrote:
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> Emery Stora wrote on Fri, 30 August 2013 21:47
>> ...
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>> As a parking brake my concern is that one might park on a grade and leave the motorhome and something like a seal on the piston in the master cylinder fails and the motorhome could go uncontrolled down the grade.
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>> If that part failed when I was driving at least I could steer it.
>>
>> I really don't see any advantage over a wheel chock.
>>
>> Sorry. Just my opinion.
>>
>> Emery Stora
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> Emery, you have no reason to be sorry. You're certainly entitled to your opinion.
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> I'm not selling anything and don't really care if anyone copies the idea. However, I am concerned if people don't understand the point I was attempting to make. Obviously, I must not have communicated effectively what I intended to say.
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> I don't THINK I ever suggested it was a full time parking brake...other people did but not me. I see it as an emergency parking brake.
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> In other words, how would you get your coach to hold on a hill WHILE you put the chock in place??? Not too hard if you're not alone but if you are.....
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> Personally, I ABSOLUTELY would never trust ANY parking brake on any slope over a few degrees. That is why God invented rocks and chocks... :lol:
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> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
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> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
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| Re: [GMCnet] The KISS Parking Brake [message #220626 is a reply to message #220585] |
Sat, 31 August 2013 09:46 |
emerystora
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Kerry
Your response puts an entirely different light on it.
I had assumed that it was meant to be a permanent parking brake possibly for long term parking, probably because of all of the posts that I had seen about how to turn off the brake lights with various ideas of switches, pulling fuses, etc. If this is meant for short term use then there really would be no need to turn off the brake lights.
Karen had said that she didn't see any downside so my first posting on this was to point out that one downside was that there could be a leak somewhere either external or inside the master cylinder that could cause the brakes to release. And, if the motorhome was parked on a slope unattended it could plunge down a hill in an arbitrary direction.
However, if this is really meant for just a short term parking brake allowing time to put wheel chocks in place I can agree that it is a very innovative and good solution.
I am looking forward to your showing it to me at Branson.
I am a believer in carrying wheel chocks for those emergency situations.
Emery Stora
On Aug 30, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
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> Emery Stora wrote on Fri, 30 August 2013 21:47
>> ...
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>> As a parking brake my concern is that one might park on a grade and leave the motorhome and something like a seal on the piston in the master cylinder fails and the motorhome could go uncontrolled down the grade.
>>
>> If that part failed when I was driving at least I could steer it.
>>
>> I really don't see any advantage over a wheel chock.
>>
>> Sorry. Just my opinion.
>>
>> Emery Stora
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> Emery, you have no reason to be sorry. You're certainly entitled to your opinion.
>
> I'm not selling anything and don't really care if anyone copies the idea. However, I am concerned if people don't understand the point I was attempting to make. Obviously, I must not have communicated effectively what I intended to say.
>
> I don't THINK I ever suggested it was a full time parking brake...other people did but not me. I see it as an emergency parking brake.
>
> In other words, how would you get your coach to hold on a hill WHILE you put the chock in place??? Not too hard if you're not alone but if you are.....
>
> Personally, I ABSOLUTELY would never trust ANY parking brake on any slope over a few degrees. That is why God invented rocks and chocks... :lol:
>
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
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| Re: [GMCnet] The KISS Parking Brake [message #220630 is a reply to message #220626] |
Sat, 31 August 2013 10:31 |
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I, along with others with the Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brake System, have a 'line lock' on my rear brakes. I don't see why Kerry's idea wouldn't work as well as the line lock does. Like Emery points out, I don't think it is a good idea to depend on a hydraulic lock over the long term. Even though all the hydraulic components of my braking system are brand new (as of two years ago), I have found that the line lock will not hold pressure indefinitely. As a stop gap measure, to hold the coach until I can get wheel chocks deployed, it works WAY better than my old parking brake, which was pretty ineffective.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] The KISS Parking Brake [message #220631 is a reply to message #220630] |
Sat, 31 August 2013 10:34 |
Don A
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Carl, thanks for that actual experience report.
Don Adams Dallas, TX
'76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
[IMG]http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6109/G2.jpg[/IMG]
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| Re: [GMCnet] The KISS Parking Brake [message #220644 is a reply to message #220637] |
Sat, 31 August 2013 11:31 |
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| Sammy Williams wrote on Sat, 31 August 2013 08:51 |
A line lock would work too...without the brake light issues welding or
such. Install it in the back brake lines depress pedal pull line lock
on...done. pedal returns up line lock keeps rears locked.
Sammy Williams
On Aug 31, 2013 10:34 AM, "Don Adams" <dj.adams@att.net> wrote:
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> Carl, thanks for that actual experience report.
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Sammy,
That is EXACTLY how mine is set up:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/disc-brakes-chuck-aulgur-reaction-arm-install/p40217-line-lock.html
I mounted it in the old E-brake bracket to make it easy to get at. It works just as you described.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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