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fitzmorrispr
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Hey guys. Haven't fixed the air compressor switch yet, but I have fixed the
power loss under acceleration. It was indeed the fuel filter.
Today, my ac belt snapped, tangled itself in the fan. When it did, a
persistant vibration I'd been experiencing got worse, and gained an audible
component. It makes a ta-ka ta-ka sound, doing about three ta-kas per
second at idle. I thouht it might just be some bit of belt lodged in he fan
shroud brackets, and getting struck by the fan, and it might just be, but I
didn't see any pieces, and rotating the fan by hand made no sounds.
I think it's the main drive pulley off the crankshaft. It looks kinda like
its off center, as it spins. Does it have any rubber part in it, like some
of those harmonic balancers do? If so, could that wear out in such a way
that the pulley could jiggle back and forth while running?
I'll note that the ac belt is the only one putting tension on the drive
pulley towards the right side of the engine, and that obviously, it's gone
now.
Any ideas? I'll try to make a video to show you guys what I mean.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217804 is a reply to message #217720] |
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Well, looking again, it didn't seem to be wobbling, but I was suspicious,
so I took the remaining belts off, and determined that it was definitely
very loose. About 40 degrees of free play in the rotation, maybe a quarter
inch side to side. Didn't have a socket large enough for the job, so left
it in the parking lot at work, got a ride home. Was thinking I would take
it off before tightening, determine if it needed replacement immediately,
or if I could get by with just a tightening, for awhile. One worry: how on
earth can I do timing when I have no idea where the pulley's suposed to sit
on the shaft?
On Aug 10, 2013 9:14 PM, "Ken Burton" <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I saw one wobbling once on a coach at a rally. It was the bolt in the
> center of the crank shaft loose.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217820 is a reply to message #217804] |
Sun, 11 August 2013 15:12 |
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| fitzmorrispr wrote on Sun, 11 August 2013 12:25 |
About 40 degrees of free play in the rotation, maybe a quarter
inch side to side.
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40° rotation? Sounds like your woodruff key either sheered off or is missing. Figure that out before you tighten it up, as the assembly is balanced only when the slots on the crank and dampner are aligned and the woodruff key is keeping them that way.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217844 is a reply to message #217820] |
Sun, 11 August 2013 17:39 |
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Yeah, I thought there might be something like that involved. Where can I
find a woodruff key at 6:30 on a sunday evening? (That's the earliest I can
work on it) what're the chances the keyway is torn?
Just to clarify, the quarter inch play is not off center, it remains
perfectly centered on the shaft, but rather that it can move maybe a
quarter inch off of perpendicular ( pulley face to shaft axis)
On Aug 11, 2013 1:12 PM, "David Orders" <dao@oarsllc.com> wrote:
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> fitzmorrispr wrote on Sun, 11 August 2013 12:25
> > About 40 degrees of free play in the rotation, maybe a quarter
> > inch side to side.
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> 40° rotation? Sounds like your woodruff key either sheered off or is
> missing. Figure that out before you tighten it up, as the assembly is
> balanced only when the slots on the crank and dampner are aligned and the
> woodruff key is keeping them that way.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217847 is a reply to message #217804] |
Sun, 11 August 2013 17:45 |
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Patrick,
It would be VERY foolish NOT to remove the harmonic balancer and inspect it and the crankshaft carefully.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Fitzmorris
Well, looking again, it didn't seem to be wobbling, but I was suspicious,
so I took the remaining belts off, and determined that it was definitely
very loose. About 40 degrees of free play in the rotation, maybe a quarter
inch side to side. Didn't have a socket large enough for the job, so left
it in the parking lot at work, got a ride home. Was thinking I would take
it off before tightening, determine if it needed replacement immediately,
or if I could get by with just a tightening, for awhile. One worry: how on
earth can I do timing when I have no idea where the pulley's suposed to sit
on the shaft?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217850 is a reply to message #217697] |
Sun, 11 August 2013 18:06 |
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Bring it up to top dead canter.
Mark your pull with marker I like silver in line with the pointer
Howard
Alpine Ca
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On Aug 11, 2013, at 15:45, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Patrick,
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> It would be VERY foolish NOT to remove the harmonic balancer and inspect it and the crankshaft carefully.
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Fitzmorris
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> Well, looking again, it didn't seem to be wobbling, but I was suspicious,
> so I took the remaining belts off, and determined that it was definitely
> very loose. About 40 degrees of free play in the rotation, maybe a quarter
> inch side to side. Didn't have a socket large enough for the job, so left
> it in the parking lot at work, got a ride home. Was thinking I would take
> it off before tightening, determine if it needed replacement immediately,
> or if I could get by with just a tightening, for awhile. One worry: how on
> earth can I do timing when I have no idea where the pulley's suposed to sit
> on the shaft?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217851 is a reply to message #217850] |
Sun, 11 August 2013 18:08 |
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Forgot pull the number one plug.
Put your finger or have someone do it over the number park plug hole.
Howard
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On Aug 11, 2013, at 16:06, Howard <hnielsen2@cox.net> wrote:
> Bring it up to top dead canter.
> Mark your pull with marker I like silver in line with the pointer
> Howard
> Alpine Ca
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> All is well with my Lord
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> On Aug 11, 2013, at 15:45, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
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>> Patrick,
>>
>> It would be VERY foolish NOT to remove the harmonic balancer and inspect it and the crankshaft carefully.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Patrick Fitzmorris
>>
>> Well, looking again, it didn't seem to be wobbling, but I was suspicious,
>> so I took the remaining belts off, and determined that it was definitely
>> very loose. About 40 degrees of free play in the rotation, maybe a quarter
>> inch side to side. Didn't have a socket large enough for the job, so left
>> it in the parking lot at work, got a ride home. Was thinking I would take
>> it off before tightening, determine if it needed replacement immediately,
>> or if I could get by with just a tightening, for awhile. One worry: how on
>> earth can I do timing when I have no idea where the pulley's suposed to sit
>> on the shaft?
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217857 is a reply to message #217853] |
Sun, 11 August 2013 18:26 |
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Most of the time, the key will stay on the shaft.
Pull the Harmonic all the way off and see.
The grove on the crank will help you to know where to slide it in
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Mark <mark@habcycles.com> wrote:
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> hnielsen2 wrote on Sun, 11 August 2013 16:06
> > Bring it up to top dead canter.
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> If I'm not mistaken, that's what people who kick dead horses are trying to
> get them to do...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217859 is a reply to message #217844] |
Sun, 11 August 2013 18:37 |
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Patrick, what you have is more than likely a failed harmonic balancer. The
rubber that bonds the two pieces together has failed.. You are not going to
get close to tdc so don't worry about it. Remove the crankshaft bolt, it
should be quite tight. An electric impact wrench may do the trick if you do
not have a pneumatic one or air where you are located. Sometimes the
harmonic balancer will just slide off, sometimes you need a puller. Auto
Zone rents them. I use a 5# slide hammer with an adapter. Both will work.
You are going to need another harmonic balancer. Should be off a 455 if
that is the engine you have. Call the Jim's and get one on the way..
Hope this helps.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Gmc Royale 403
On Aug 11, 2013 3:39 PM, "Patrick Fitzmorris" <fitzmorrispr@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Yeah, I thought there might be something like that involved. Where can I
> find a woodruff key at 6:30 on a sunday evening? (That's the earliest I can
> work on it) what're the chances the keyway is torn?
>
> Just to clarify, the quarter inch play is not off center, it remains
> perfectly centered on the shaft, but rather that it can move maybe a
> quarter inch off of perpendicular ( pulley face to shaft axis)
> On Aug 11, 2013 1:12 PM, "David Orders" <dao@oarsllc.com> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > fitzmorrispr wrote on Sun, 11 August 2013 12:25
> > > About 40 degrees of free play in the rotation, maybe a quarter
> > > inch side to side.
> >
> >
> > 40° rotation? Sounds like your woodruff key either sheered off or is
> > missing. Figure that out before you tighten it up, as the assembly is
> > balanced only when the slots on the crank and dampner are aligned and the
> > woodruff key is keeping them that way.
> >
> > --
> > 1976 Royale "Twinkie II", 1978 Palm Beach with front end fire. Lynnwood
> WA
> >
> > “Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their
> > shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them
> and
> > you have their shoes.”
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217892 is a reply to message #217859] |
Sun, 11 August 2013 21:18 |
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Well, James, it's actually not the balancer, i don't think. The whole
pulley and balancer assy is loose, and rotates on the engine's shaft, by
about 40 degrees, and can be put a few degrees off of straight
the bolt you speak of is loose, the balancer seems to still be bonded
tightly to itself
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:37 PM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> Patrick, what you have is more than likely a failed harmonic balancer. The
> rubber that bonds the two pieces together has failed.. You are not going to
> get close to tdc so don't worry about it. Remove the crankshaft bolt, it
> should be quite tight. An electric impact wrench may do the trick if you do
> not have a pneumatic one or air where you are located. Sometimes the
> harmonic balancer will just slide off, sometimes you need a puller. Auto
> Zone rents them. I use a 5# slide hammer with an adapter. Both will work.
> You are going to need another harmonic balancer. Should be off a 455 if
> that is the engine you have. Call the Jim's and get one on the way..
> Hope this helps.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 Gmc Royale 403
> On Aug 11, 2013 3:39 PM, "Patrick Fitzmorris" <fitzmorrispr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > Yeah, I thought there might be something like that involved. Where can I
> > find a woodruff key at 6:30 on a sunday evening? (That's the earliest I
> can
> > work on it) what're the chances the keyway is torn?
> >
> > Just to clarify, the quarter inch play is not off center, it remains
> > perfectly centered on the shaft, but rather that it can move maybe a
> > quarter inch off of perpendicular ( pulley face to shaft axis)
> > On Aug 11, 2013 1:12 PM, "David Orders" <dao@oarsllc.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > fitzmorrispr wrote on Sun, 11 August 2013 12:25
> > > > About 40 degrees of free play in the rotation, maybe a quarter
> > > > inch side to side.
> > >
> > >
> > > 40° rotation? Sounds like your woodruff key either sheered off or is
> > > missing. Figure that out before you tighten it up, as the assembly is
> > > balanced only when the slots on the crank and dampner are aligned and
> the
> > > woodruff key is keeping them that way.
> > >
> > > --
> > > 1976 Royale "Twinkie II", 1978 Palm Beach with front end fire. Lynnwood
> > WA
> > >
> > > “Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their
> > > shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them
> > and
> > > you have their shoes.”
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217902 is a reply to message #217892] |
Sun, 11 August 2013 22:13 |
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| fitzmorrispr wrote on Sun, 11 August 2013 21:18 |
Well, James, it's actually not the balancer, i don't think. The whole
pulley and balancer assy is loose, and rotates on the engine's shaft, by
about 40 degrees, and can be put a few degrees off of straight
the bolt you speak of is loose, the balancer seems to still be bonded
tightly to itself
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Sounds like the key is stripped. I don't understand why it doesn't freely rotate however. Regardless, it needs to come off.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217912 is a reply to message #217892] |
Sun, 11 August 2013 22:49 |
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You will most likely have to replace the balancer, but not because the two pieces separated. I was working on my son's '71 Jeepster and the timing marks didn't make any sense. I thought the outer ring on the balancer might have slipped. When I went to remove the big bolt at the end of the crankshaft that holds it on, I found it loose. The balancer slid off the end of the crankshaft without a puller. The problem was that the bolt had come loose and the balancer was rotating back and fourth on the shaft. It must have started with a very small amount of play in the slot. but by the time I got to working on it. it had hammered out the slot to over an inch wide. I think you will find a condition much like this when you remove your balancer. I went on to replace the timing chain set and tensioner, and installed a new balancer, and was finally able to set the timing by the marks.
Carl Stouffer
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217916 is a reply to message #217912] |
Sun, 11 August 2013 23:02 |
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| Carl S. wrote on Sun, 11 August 2013 20:49 |
You will most likely have to replace the balancer, but not because the two pieces separated. I was working on my son's '71 Jeepster and the timing marks didn't make any sense. I thought the outer ring on the balancer might have slipped. When I went to remove the big bolt at the end of the crankshaft that holds it on, I found it loose. The balancer slid off the end of the crankshaft without a puller. The problem was that the bolt had come loose and the balancer was rotating back and fourth on the shaft. It must have started with a very small amount of play in the slot. but by the time I got to working on it. it had hammered out the slot to over an inch wide. I think you will find a condition much like this when you remove your balancer. I went on to replace the timing chain set and tensioner, and installed a new balancer, and was finally able to set the timing by the marks.
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Oh, the above was on a 225 V-6. The key was in place ans hardly damaged, just the balancer hub.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #217933 is a reply to message #217916] |
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That sounds like it might just be what I'm experiencing...
I'll be pulling it in the morning, and we'll see what's what.
On Aug 11, 2013 9:03 PM, "Carl Stouffer" <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Carl S. wrote on Sun, 11 August 2013 20:49
> > You will most likely have to replace the balancer, but not because the
> two pieces separated. I was working on my son's '71 Jeepster and the
> timing marks didn't make any sense. I thought the outer ring on the
> balancer might have slipped. When I went to remove the big bolt at the end
> of the crankshaft that holds it on, I found it loose. The balancer slid
> off the end of the crankshaft without a puller. The problem was that the
> bolt had come loose and the balancer was rotating back and fourth on the
> shaft. It must have started with a very small amount of play in the slot.
> but by the time I got to working on it. it had hammered out the slot to
> over an inch wide. I think you will find a condition much like this when
> you remove your balancer. I went on to replace the timing chain set and
> tensioner, and installed a new balancer, and was finally able to set the
> timing by the marks.
>
>
>
> Oh, the above was on a 225 V-6. The key was in place ans hardly damaged,
> just the balancer hub.
> --
> Carl S.
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #218034 is a reply to message #217933] |
Mon, 12 August 2013 15:57 |
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Well, I have pulled the balancer, and sure enough, the keyway is hammered
out to nearly an inch wide. Seems somebody put a precut key on that was too
long, and tightened the bolt down on the end of the key, rather than the
balancer itself, giving it all the wiggle room it needed.
Bought some keystock and ordered a new balancer and front seal thru
O'Reilly. Should have it all back together sometime tonight!
I'm betting this'll solve some of the vibration issues I've been having...
On Aug 11, 2013 11:15 PM, "Patrick Fitzmorris" <fitzmorrispr@gmail.com>
wrote:
> That sounds like it might just be what I'm experiencing...
> I'll be pulling it in the morning, and we'll see what's what.
> On Aug 11, 2013 9:03 PM, "Carl Stouffer" <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Carl S. wrote on Sun, 11 August 2013 20:49
>> > You will most likely have to replace the balancer, but not because the
>> two pieces separated. I was working on my son's '71 Jeepster and the
>> timing marks didn't make any sense. I thought the outer ring on the
>> balancer might have slipped. When I went to remove the big bolt at the end
>> of the crankshaft that holds it on, I found it loose. The balancer slid
>> off the end of the crankshaft without a puller. The problem was that the
>> bolt had come loose and the balancer was rotating back and fourth on the
>> shaft. It must have started with a very small amount of play in the slot.
>> but by the time I got to working on it. it had hammered out the slot to
>> over an inch wide. I think you will find a condition much like this when
>> you remove your balancer. I went on to replace the timing chain set and
>> tensioner, and installed a new balancer, and was finally able to set the
>> timing by the marks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, the above was on a 225 V-6. The key was in place ans hardly damaged,
>> just the balancer hub.
>> --
>> Carl S.
>> '75 ex Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine vibrations & noises, broken belt [message #218066 is a reply to message #218034] |
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fitzmorrispr
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Hum.
The instructions that came with the new balancer say not to use the bolt to
install it, but rather a tool with a thrust bearing on threaded rod.
But I have no funds to make a deposit on the tool, and will not have funds
until friday. And I cannot leave the thing sitting in this lot much longer.
could I use the bolt to press it on, if I make sure to back it off and
repress multiple times? (I was thinking like ten times...)
Or maybe there's another way?
On Aug 12, 2013 1:57 PM, "Patrick Fitzmorris" <fitzmorrispr@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Well, I have pulled the balancer, and sure enough, the keyway is hammered
> out to nearly an inch wide. Seems somebody put a precut key on that was too
> long, and tightened the bolt down on the end of the key, rather than the
> balancer itself, giving it all the wiggle room it needed.
>
> Bought some keystock and ordered a new balancer and front seal thru
> O'Reilly. Should have it all back together sometime tonight!
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> I'm betting this'll solve some of the vibration issues I've been having...
> On Aug 11, 2013 11:15 PM, "Patrick Fitzmorris" <fitzmorrispr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> That sounds like it might just be what I'm experiencing...
>> I'll be pulling it in the morning, and we'll see what's what.
>> On Aug 11, 2013 9:03 PM, "Carl Stouffer" <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carl S. wrote on Sun, 11 August 2013 20:49
>>> > You will most likely have to replace the balancer, but not because the
>>> two pieces separated. I was working on my son's '71 Jeepster and the
>>> timing marks didn't make any sense. I thought the outer ring on the
>>> balancer might have slipped. When I went to remove the big bolt at the end
>>> of the crankshaft that holds it on, I found it loose. The balancer slid
>>> off the end of the crankshaft without a puller. The problem was that the
>>> bolt had come loose and the balancer was rotating back and fourth on the
>>> shaft. It must have started with a very small amount of play in the slot.
>>> but by the time I got to working on it. it had hammered out the slot to
>>> over an inch wide. I think you will find a condition much like this when
>>> you remove your balancer. I went on to replace the timing chain set and
>>> tensioner, and installed a new balancer, and was finally able to set the
>>> timing by the marks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, the above was on a 225 V-6. The key was in place ans hardly
>>> damaged, just the balancer hub.
>>> --
>>> Carl S.
>>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>>> Tucson, AZ.
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