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| Re: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses? [message #215827 is a reply to message #215823] |
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USAussie
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Robin,
I'm not trying to be a smart ass but that question is the same as "how long is a piece of string?"
It is 100% subjective and depends on the particular mechanics skill level.
For a person with the skill level I've observed you demonstrate I'd guess at least 2 eight hour days; possibly 3 IF everything goes
smoothly.
If you find "stuff" along the way that causes problems who knows!.
Regards,
Rob M.
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Subject: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses?
Howie hours does it take to replace belts and hoses? Flush coolant, change
oil, bleed brakes?
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| Re: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses? [message #215830 is a reply to message #215824] |
Fri, 26 July 2013 19:29 |
Joe Weir
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| Otterwan wrote on Fri, 26 July 2013 18:42 |
Take however long you think it will take, double it, and add 2 days.
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Sounds like Murphy's formula for estimating job time:
Start with a good faith estimate of how long it would take. Double it, the bring it to the next unit of measure. EX: job should take an hour: double it to two hours and then to the next unit of measure, which is a day. The job will take two days.
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses? [message #215831 is a reply to message #215830] |
Fri, 26 July 2013 19:38 |
Robin Hood
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Or in other words, a week going by Rob M's estimation! :-)
I ask because I know a Shadetree mechanic who does fairly minor things from
time to time. I was trying to estimate Whether to do the job myself, have
it done by my Shadetree guy, or possibly have it done at the RV repair
garage that's less than a mile away. :)
On Friday, July 26, 2013, Joe Weir wrote:
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> Otterwan wrote on Fri, 26 July 2013 18:42
> > Take however long you think it will take, double it, and add 2 days.
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> Sounds like Murphy's formula for estimating job time:
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> Start with a good faith estimate of how long it would take. Double it,
> the bring it to the next unit of measure. EX: job should take an hour:
> double it to two hours and then to the next unit of measure, which is a
> day. The job will take two days.
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> Columbia, SC.
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1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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| Re: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses? [message #215832 is a reply to message #215823] |
Fri, 26 July 2013 19:43 |
Otterwan
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It's all fun and games until the first brake bleed nipple snaps off. Which they do on these old coaches. Then you have to decide whether to drill it out and and try to extract the stub, replace the one wheel cylinder, do a complete break job, or convert to discs.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses? [message #215840 is a reply to message #215831] |
Fri, 26 July 2013 20:34 |
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USAussie
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Robin,
You've got to provide all the information when you ask a question. I'd revise my email to the following:
Get out the MM read how to R&R the parts you want replaced. Then contact the shade tree mechanic and ask him to come over and give
you an estimate on what you want done. Explain that you will provide any and all parts needed detailing each part that you will
supply. IIRC you have purchased one of Jim Hupy's pressure bleeders show that to the mechanic. Ask him if he would like any
additional parts. Ask him how much it will cost for him to do it WHILE YOU WATCH so you can learn how to do it and what tools are
needed. Mention that you will keep the questions / discussion to a minimum. If you're happy with the price he quotes ask him what
his hourly rate is IF he runs into unforeseen problems. If you're satisfied that he is competent enough to do the work and won't
screw stuff up let him do it and you watch; you'll learn PLUS since you've read how to do it in the manual you can make sure he does
it properly!
As far as a local RV shop goes I would not take it to them because their hourly rate is going to be high plus they probably won't
let you out in the shop to watch.
If you do decide to hire the shade tree mechanic check your GMCMI Parts List for the correct parts and have them all ready and
waiting for him. As I already mentioned if the radiator hose clamps are not stainless steel with "nuts" get four. Don't buy
pre-mixed anti-freeze you're paying a premium price for 1/2 water. Mix the anti freeze with distilled water. Use ATE Super Blue Dot
4 brake fluid or Yellow from The Tire Rack. Don't be surprised when you see the muck that comes out of the brake bleeders. When you
get closer to doing the work contact the GMCnet and we'll provide some tips.
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Robin Hood
Or in other words, a week going by Rob M's estimation! :-)
I ask because I know a Shadetree mechanic who does fairly minor things from
time to time. I was trying to estimate Whether to do the job myself, have
it done by my Shadetree guy, or possibly have it done at the RV repair
garage that's less than a mile away. :)
On Friday, July 26, 2013, Joe Weir wrote:
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> Otterwan wrote on Fri, 26 July 2013 18:42
> > Take however long you think it will take, double it, and add 2 days.
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> Sounds like Murphy's formula for estimating job time:
>
> Start with a good faith estimate of how long it would take. Double it,
> the bring it to the next unit of measure. EX: job should take an hour:
> double it to two hours and then to the next unit of measure, which is a
> day. The job will take two days.
>
>
>
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> 76 Birchaven
> Columbia, SC.
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1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses? [message #215841 is a reply to message #215840] |
Fri, 26 July 2013 20:48 |
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Dont forget the hoses that feed the hot water heater. Thoses will surprise you with how bad a rubber hose can get.
I personally prefer the gravity feed on the brake bleeding. And that appears to take approx 3 beers in time. Maybe 4 if you are thirsty.
I do know the more involved you are in any of the work, the more you will know it was done right. Which gives better peace of mind if you plan on using coach for what it was designed for.
brian
asheboro, nc
75 eleganza, 74 build
119k miles and counting,
DOG HOUSE
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| Re: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses? [message #215858 is a reply to message #215841] |
Sat, 27 July 2013 01:27 |
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Normally I would guess 8-10 hours for what you have listed, (Belts/Hoses, Flush cooling system, change oil, bleed brakes), but when working on my stuff I always find something to divert me from my original planned scope of projects. An example of that is instead of just bleeding the brakes, why not clean off all the road grime on the backing plates and hard lines to the bogie pivot, then looking at the grease on the bogie pivot, that requires those to be cleaned. Now a simple bleed job has turned into a detailing of the bogie assembly. Same thing goes for oil change.... hey while I'm here I might as well clean the pan, transmission, final drive etc.
So Rob is correct, whatever time you estimate to finish the job just double it! Then you might be close. 
John Blankenship
'76 Palm Beach
Tulare, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses? [message #215875 is a reply to message #215858] |
Sat, 27 July 2013 09:24 |
Robin Hood
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If I've got hoses going to the hot water heater, I'm going to disable them.
To me, the utility is not worth the risk.
How much brake fluid do these things take for a complete bleedout? Want to
make sure I buy enough fluid.
Part of Jim Hupy's supply chain has some serious health issues, so the
bleed-o-matic is on hold. Force majeure. :( One of those things; those
folks have a lot bigger things to worry about right now.
I am considering experimenting with gravity bleeding. I've never bled
brakes before, maybe doing it this way is a way that everybody should do at
least once to just to say they did? :)
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 1:27 AM, John Blankenship <jtblank@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Normally I would guess 8-10 hours for what you have listed, (Belts/Hoses,
> Flush cooling system, change oil, bleed brakes), but when working on my
> stuff I always find something to divert me from my original planned scope
> of projects. An example of that is instead of just bleeding the brakes, why
> not clean off all the road grime on the backing plates and hard lines to
> the bogie pivot, then looking at the grease on the bogie pivot, that
> requires those to be cleaned. Now a simple bleed job has turned into a
> detailing of the bogie assembly. Same thing goes for oil change.... hey
> while I'm here I might as well clean the pan, transmission, final drive etc.
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> So Rob is correct, whatever time you estimate to finish the job just
> double it! Then you might be close. :d
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> '76 Palm Beach
> Tulare, CA
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1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
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| Re: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses? [message #215876 is a reply to message #215875] |
Sat, 27 July 2013 09:47 |
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Matt Colie
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| Robin Hood wrote on Sat, 27 July 2013 10:24 |
If I've got hoses going to the hot water heater, I'm going to disable them.
To me, the utility is not worth the risk.
How much brake fluid do these things take for a complete bleedout? Want to make sure I buy enough fluid.
Part of Jim Hupy's supply chain has some serious health issues, so the bleed-o-matic is on hold. Force majeure.  One of those things; those folks have a lot bigger things to worry about right now.
I am considering experimenting with gravity bleeding. I've never bled brakes before, maybe doing it this way is a way that everybody should do at least once to just to say they did? 
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Robin,
If this coach still has the engine heated water, keep it. It isn't that big a risk. But, just buy the 50' box of hose for that job.
It will take more than one, but less than two quarts to flush the brake system.
Before you begin, try to loosen each bleed screw. If one doesn't, you now have a different problem. When you replace that cylinder (hope it is not a caliper), get some teflon tape and enough bleeder caps for everything. The teflon tape will prevent corrosion in the bleeder threads and also make it easier to vacuum bleed if you choose to do that. The bleeder caps are essential for anything you plan to keep more than 3 years.
On my coach, changing out the FEAD (Front Engine Accessory Drive) belts is a monumental PITA. The fan is so close in the shroud that it has to be removed to get the belts past it.
Good Luck guy - It will be worth the effort.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses? [message #215883 is a reply to message #215876] |
Sat, 27 July 2013 10:06 |
Robin Hood
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I see that I can get a full belts and hoses kit for my 403 from JimK. May
as well replace the four rear drum brake wheel cylinders, and throw in the
GMC DVDs and a couple of keychains, all up with shipping for about 250$.
Must consult with the CFO. :)
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Robin Hood wrote on Sat, 27 July 2013 10:24
> > If I've got hoses going to the hot water heater, I'm going to disable
> them.
> > To me, the utility is not worth the risk.
> >
> > How much brake fluid do these things take for a complete bleedout? Want
> to make sure I buy enough fluid.
> >
> > Part of Jim Hupy's supply chain has some serious health issues, so the
> bleed-o-matic is on hold. Force majeure. :( One of those things; those
> folks have a lot bigger things to worry about right now.
> >
> > I am considering experimenting with gravity bleeding. I've never bled
> brakes before, maybe doing it this way is a way that everybody should do at
> least once to just to say they did? :)
> > --
> > Robin Hood
> > Jackson, MS
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> Robin,
>
> If this coach still has the engine heated water, keep it. It isn't that
> big a risk. But, just buy the 50' box of hose for that job.
>
> It will take more than one, but less than two quarts to flush the brake
> system.
>
> Before you begin, try to loosen each bleed screw. If one doesn't, you now
> have a different problem. When you replace that cylinder (hope it is not a
> caliper), get some teflon tape and enough bleeder caps for everything. The
> teflon tape will prevent corrosion in the bleeder threads and also make it
> easier to vacuum bleed if you choose to do that. The bleeder caps are
> essential for anything you plan to keep more than 3 years.
>
> On my coach, changing out the FEAD (Front Engine Accessory Drive) belts is
> a monumental PITA. The fan is so close in the shroud that it has to be
> removed to get the belts past it.
>
> Good Luck guy - It will be worth the effort.
>
> Matt
>
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie
> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air)
> Now with 4 working Rear Brakes
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
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| Re: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses? [message #215896 is a reply to message #215895] |
Sat, 27 July 2013 11:16 |
Ken Henderson
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Think carefully about those brake hoses, especially the front ones (which
seem to me most trouble-prone). Just this week I had a longtime/multiple
GMC owner call me with classic "blocked hose syndrome". He had to open
that bleeder and clamp off the hose to get the coach home (CAREFULLY).
The only way I know to minimize the possibility of having that failure
strand you is to replace the hoses periodically -- If you don't know when
they were replaced, the period's up.
JMHO,
KenH
On Jul 27, 2013 8:58 AM, "Robin Hood" <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you talking about these? http://appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/786
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> That'd about DOUBLE the cost of my order. That's gonna hafta wait.
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> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net>
> wrote:
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> > Are the brake hoses new? There is no better time to replace them.
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> Robin Hood
> Jackson, MS
> 2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
> 1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
> 1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
> 1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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| Re: [GMCnet] How many hours to replace belts and hoses? [message #215899 is a reply to message #215876] |
Sat, 27 July 2013 11:58 |
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Matt,
I had forgotten what fun it is to replace the belts. I, too, had to remove the fan - which doesn't sound tough - it's only 4 little bolts - but for me it was tedious fingertip work getting those bolts off and on.
Still it only added 20 minutes, or so, to the task.
Larry Davick
On Jul 27, 2013, at 7:47 AM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
> Robin,
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> If this coach still has the engine heated water, keep it. It isn't that big a risk. But, just buy the 50' box of hose for that job.
>
> It will take more than one, but less than two quarts to flush the brake system.
>
> Before you begin, try to loosen each bleed screw. If one doesn't, you now have a different problem. When you replace that cylinder (hope it is not a caliper), get some teflon tape and enough bleeder caps for everything. The teflon tape will prevent corrosion in the bleeder threads and also make it easier to vacuum bleed if you choose to do that. The bleeder caps are essential for anything you plan to keep more than 3 years.
>
> On my coach, changing out the FEAD (Front Engine Accessory Drive) belts is a monumental PITA. The fan is so close in the shroud that it has to be removed to get the belts past it.
>
> Good Luck guy - It will be worth the effort.
>
> Matt
>
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie
> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air)
> Now with 4 working Rear Brakes
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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