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Water leak - interior rear bathroom [message #214392] Mon, 15 July 2013 00:03 Go to next message
MangoMushroom is currently offline  MangoMushroom   United States
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I have a water leak in my coach... the floor of the rear bathroom gets pretty soaked. It is definitely not the blackwater tank / toilet. Anyone know about how these coaches are plumbed? Seems like there must be a busted pipe under the bathroom floor... What is the easiest way to access plumbing there? Thanks for any feedback!

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Re: [GMCnet] Water leak - interior rear bathroom [message #214396 is a reply to message #214392] Mon, 15 July 2013 02:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It could be the filler cap area behind the closet back wall. water leaks are mostly from hose from radiator to water heater but would

have radiator smell, filler tubes behind closet or water pump area. vent from black water over flow. Birchaven i do not know?

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/fresh-water-leak-from-city-water-connection/p26798-slide110.html

this may help. mick anaheim ca. 77 palm beach



On Jul 14, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Andre Mandel wrote:

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Re: [GMCnet] Water leak - interior rear bathroom [message #214398 is a reply to message #214396] Mon, 15 July 2013 05:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You don't mention if the leak happens with city water, the on-board tank, or both.

In the birchaven, the water tank is under the davo/bunkbed, in front of the right rear wheel well. Water pump is in-between the tank and the back bathroom wall with the lines going through the wall to the bathroom.

The city water comes in on the left rear corner. You should be able to lift up the cover in the rear closet to inspect.



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Re: Water leak - interior rear bathroom [message #214411 is a reply to message #214392] Mon, 15 July 2013 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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MangoMushroom wrote on Mon, 15 July 2013 01:03

I have a water leak in my coach... the floor of the rear bathroom gets pretty soaked. It is definitely not the blackwater tank / toilet. Anyone know about how these coaches are plumbed? Seems like there must be a busted pipe under the bathroom floor... What is the easiest way to access plumbing there? Thanks for any feedback!

Mango,

Birchhavens are largely undocumented in this area. To answer if it is pressure side or the tank, just disconnect from city water and turn the pump on.
Does it ever run when no water is running?
If Yes, there is probably a leak in the plumbing.
If No, get ready to remove and inspect the potable tank and connecting parts.

By the picture, yours is a rear bath and none of the GMC information will be any help at all. At least we have people here that can probably help.

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Re: Water leak - interior rear bathroom [message #214428 is a reply to message #214392] Mon, 15 July 2013 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Where exactly does it get soaked? The Birchaven has plumbing running all over the place with the rear bath. If you can determine where it's the wettest, or slowest to dry out, that will help us diagnose where the leak is originating.

I had a leak in my Birchaven from inside the shower wall. Someone had cranked down on the black ABS 90 degree fitting coming out of the back of the shower faucet, and it had cracked. It was a very slow leak which made it hard to locate. I suspected the plumbing aft of the water tank - there's a lot of it, and did find a small leak from there as well.

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Re: Water leak - interior rear bathroom [message #214431 is a reply to message #214392] Mon, 15 July 2013 09:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Does your coach have the original water heater? They rust out & leak. Has water ever frozen in the winter in the fresh water tank? The tanks have a low spot that will crack if water freezes. Those are leaks I had. bill

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/water-tank-repair/p28231-water-tank-repair.html


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Re: Water leak - interior rear bathroom [message #214567 is a reply to message #214392] Tue, 16 July 2013 00:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for your initial feedback, everyone!

Some more information:

There is no radiator smell coming from leaked water, and I have never plugged into city water. I have always used the on-board freshwater tank. There is no leak at the water pump. There is no leak at the freshwater tank. This is a rear bath coach. The carpet/flooring in the rear bath is wet. The floor area on the toilet/shower side gets wet first. I am thinking the leak may come from freshwater supply pipe to toilet? Water leaks before it ever makes it to the toilet... Or perhaps before another pipe reaches the handsink.

Is there an easy way to get under the carpet/floorboards?

The coach has original water heater and has never seen below freezing weather. EVER! Smile


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Re: [GMCnet] Water leak - interior rear bathroom [message #214568 is a reply to message #214567] Tue, 16 July 2013 01:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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drain from shower is out or would only happen when used. Mick, ca. 77 pBeach


On Jul 15, 2013, at 10:59 PM, Andre Mandel wrote:

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> Thanks for your initial feedback, everyone!
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> Some more information:
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> There is no radiator smell coming from leaked water, and I have never plugged into city water. I have always used the on-board freshwater tank. There is no leak at the water pump. There is no leak at the freshwater tank. This is a rear bath coach. The carpet/flooring in the rear bath is wet. The floor area on the toilet/shower side gets wet first. I am thinking the leak may come from freshwater supply pipe to toilet? Water leaks before it ever makes it to the toilet... Or perhaps before another pipe reaches the handsink.
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> Is there an easy way to get under the carpet/floorboards?
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> The coach has original water heater and has never seen below freezing weather. EVER! :)
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Re: Water leak - interior rear bathroom [message #214569 is a reply to message #214567] Tue, 16 July 2013 02:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The rear bath plumbing on a Birchaven runs from the fresh water tank under the sofa, feeds the shower, runs under the tub to the toilet, then to the lavatory, then over the generator compartment to the kitchen. The lines are easily inspected from under the vanity to the kitchen, but between the shower wall and the vanity it's more difficult.

Start tracing the water lines back from under the sofa. I can open up the passenger side exterior rear access hatch and see under the tub and access the under tub plumbing on mine, though I've heard of coaches that have a blanked off wall behind the access hatch. If you can get your eyeballs and hands under the tub it'll simplify things. If the under tub is blanked off I'd open it up. You'll pick up a little storage and be able to check on your plumbing more easily, amongst other things. Check drains as well as supply lines.

The supply lines run under the tub and under the toilet pedestal which makes visual inspection difficult. If you have access to one of those remote cameras on a flexible shaft, like the SeeSnake (or approved equal), you can snake that under the toilet pedestal from underneath the vanity.

It might be easier to turn off the water to let things dry out and then turn it back on to see what gets wet first. That should provide a general direction of flow and hopefully let you know if it's leaking from the toilet towards the tub or the tub towards the toilet.

Richard


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Re: [GMCnet] Water leak - interior rear bathroom [message #214578 is a reply to message #214569] Tue, 16 July 2013 08:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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does your water pump run when you turn it on??
read here for some hints

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6346/Listen_to_your_GMC.pdf

gene



On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Richard <GMC77Birchaven@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> The rear bath plumbing on a Birchaven runs from the fresh water tank
> under the sofa, feeds the shower, runs under the tub to the toilet, then
> to the lavatory, then over the generator compartment to the kitchen. The
> lines are easily inspected from under the vanity to the kitchen, but
> between the shower wall and the vanity it's more difficult.
>
> Start tracing the water lines back from under the sofa. I can open up the
> passenger side exterior rear access hatch and see under the tub and access
> the under tub plumbing on mine, though I've heard of coaches that have a
> blanked off wall behind the access hatch. If you can get your eyeballs and
> hands under the tub it'll simplify things. If the under tub is blanked off
> I'd open it up. You'll pick up a little storage and be able to check on
> your plumbing more easily, amongst other things. Check drains as well as
> supply lines.
>
> The supply lines run under the tub and under the toilet pedestal which
> makes visual inspection difficult. If you have access to one of those
> remote cameras on a flexible shaft, like the SeeSnake (or approved equal),
> you can snake that under the toilet pedestal from underneath the vanity.
>
> It might be easier to turn off the water to let things dry out and then
> turn it back on to see what gets wet first. That should provide a general
> direction of flow and hopefully let you know if it's leaking from the
> toilet towards the tub or the tub towards the toilet.
>
> Richard
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Re: [GMCnet] Water leak - interior rear bathroom [message #217107 is a reply to message #214578] Tue, 06 August 2013 00:24 Go to previous message
MangoMushroom is currently offline  MangoMushroom   United States
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I have identified where the leak seems to be coming from... the soggiest area is directly behind the toilet... is there a shut off valve for the toilet water? I would be content just shutting off all water that goes to the toilet...

thanks for your feedback everyone, and I hope you are enjoying your coaches this summer!


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