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Macerator plumbing [message #213994] |
Thu, 11 July 2013 03:03 |
jayrabe
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Totally surprised and confused when I finally got the switch repaired so I can run the Macerator, only to discover that it pumps sewage out the hose that comes out at the bumper, not through the sewage hose. Is this the way it's supposed to work? Why in the world doesn't the output of the Macerator go down the sewage hose and thereby into the dump station?
Jay Rabe
76 PB
Portland, OR
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Re: Macerator plumbing [message #214030 is a reply to message #214008] |
Thu, 11 July 2013 09:43 |
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WD0AFQ
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Jay, it is not pumping out the 3 inch drain, it is gravity flowing. You can't have that open with maserator running. If the pump is not pumping thru the little hose, but is running then you have a broken impeller. It will work with one blade off, slow, but if two in succession are broken then it won't pump. The one I repaired last week had a cracked impeller and it slipped on the motor shaft, no pumping. These are simple but if it has been sitting, dry, then the impeller may be busted. Jim K has the kits about as cheap, or cheaper, than anyone else.
This can be a frustrating experience. Ask me how I know.
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Re: Macerator plumbing [message #214075 is a reply to message #213994] |
Thu, 11 July 2013 18:28 |
habbyguy
Messages: 896 Registered: May 2012 Location: Mesa, AZ
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That ain't a problem, that's a feature! No more stinky slinky for those of us lucky enough to have a macerator. I think mine was the best use of the previous owner's money ever!
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator plumbing [message #214117 is a reply to message #214096] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 08:54 |
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mike miller
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mickeysss wrote on Thu, 11 July 2013 21:16 | ...it was best not to put a stable M pump right off the tank but to put it on the end of the original pipe by the bumper and attach it and store it as needed.
like this one from campers world:
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/flojet-rv-waste-pump-kit/26125
attach it when you need it, and then if you are stable at a place it will not load up setting. if the pump goes out or
gets stuck you can fix it easy. This is what the person told me was better than putting one in that is hard to remove. ...
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And how is a non-installed macerator any easier than a "slinky" 3 inch hose?
You have to take it out and connect it. Then connect the hose to it and hook up power. When done, you have to clean it all out, disconnect and store it all.
I had less steps with the OEM set up!
With my macerator on my two waste tank Birch it is very easy and quick to dump.
I pull out a hose from a pipe under the rear bumper, take the cap off and stick it in the dump site. I open the gate valve for the black tank and turn on the pump. when it is empty (less than a minute), I close the black tank valve and open the grey... a little over a minute later I turn off the pump, put the cap on the hose and slide it back into the pipe under the rear bumper.
-- done --
You'd still be setting up to run the "portable" macerator.
(Having both black and grey tanks really works well with a macerator! You rinse out the hose with soapy water!)
The only advantage of the linked system over a 3 inch dump, is it can dump through a "garden" hose... up-hill and for a distance.
But I can do that with my set up, so I can not see NOT installing it if you have it.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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Re: Macerator plumbing [message #214127 is a reply to message #213994] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 10:32 |
habbyguy
Messages: 896 Registered: May 2012 Location: Mesa, AZ
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My PO installed my macerator behind a plumbing T connection, which is just behind the blade valve, so I can hook up a 3" stinky slinky (this also provides a way to empty the tank if the macerator ever fails, of course). Even with the ability to use a 3" pipe, and even though I have a stinky slinky in my overhead pod, I really can't imagine it would be worth the hassle to ever use it. If I'm parked long-term and fully connected, I'd just stick the itty bitty little macerator hose into the sewer inlet (with one of the adapters to seal it off, if necessary), and run the macerator for a minute every few days. I think long-term your black water tank just works better if you let the water level ebb and flow, rather than counting on gravity to drain every new input (I'll stop now so I don't get too graphic, but think about it...).
And besides, draining the gray water tank through the macerator when you're ready to go leaves it a WHOLE lot cleaner and easier to deal with than any used stinky slinky.
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator plumbing [message #214140 is a reply to message #214117] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 14:05 |
mickeysss
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thank you and mark for your designs.
I was told that it does plug up or burn out once a year or so, this is a major let down in time
and getting the fixed pump fixed again. How many times has fellow gmc.ers had to fix pumps
that are blade broken stuck or just burn out? The one bellow has a fresh water clean out that from a hose you back fill it
till it is clean as a whistle. i do not have a gray tank, but am interested in putting one i some where on my palm beach 1977.
The one below with a glass attachment can be seen clean and fully clean out the black tank.
Having both would be also available so if one brakes the other would also be available. But that is 300 dollars more for the extra
one. I was told if you park a long time that you keep the gate closed but the 3 inch is put to the dump at all times while parked.
then once a week you open the gate and empty. So this can be good to have both big gate and marcerator.
How long does the fix pump work without having to be replaced or have broken blades or subs that revolve and they
burn out easy as well, the motors, thank you if you have any other ideas let me know please. mickey anaheim ca, 77 palm beach.
The storage in a plastic pipe along the under carriage looks good for storage. like sword sliding into it. You can have a 20 foot hose
storage under the frame. from around the onan area. sani-con looks good as well. IT looks as if one could put a supper
blade fan that would cut anything in the pipe area exiting the black tank, why not make it cut regular paper and any thing
that would be put in there. some real cutting blades high powered and sharp 3 inches in diameter. This would be major up grade.
On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:54 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
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> mickeysss wrote on Thu, 11 July 2013 21:16
>> ...it was best not to put a stable M pump right off the tank but to put it on the end of the original pipe by the bumper and attach it and store it as needed.
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>> like this one from campers world:
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>> http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/flojet-rv-waste-pump-kit/26125
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>> attach it when you need it, and then if you are stable at a place it will not load up setting. if the pump goes out or
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>> gets stuck you can fix it easy. This is what the person told me was better than putting one in that is hard to remove. ...
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> And how is a non-installed macerator any easier than a "slinky" 3 inch hose?
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> You have to take it out and connect it. Then connect the hose to it and hook up power. When done, you have to clean it all out, disconnect and store it all.
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> I had less steps with the OEM set up!
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> With my macerator on my two waste tank Birch it is very easy and quick to dump.
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> I pull out a hose from a pipe under the rear bumper, take the cap off and stick it in the dump site. I open the gate valve for the black tank and turn on the pump. when it is empty (less than a minute), I close the black tank valve and open the grey... a little over a minute later I turn off the pump, put the cap on the hose and slide it back into the pipe under the rear bumper.
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> -- done --
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> You'd still be setting up to run the "portable" macerator.
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> (Having both black and grey tanks really works well with a macerator! You rinse out the hose with soapy water!)
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> The only advantage of the linked system over a 3 inch dump, is it can dump through a "garden" hose... up-hill and for a distance.
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> But I can do that with my set up, so I can not see NOT installing it if you have it. :roll:
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator plumbing and best place for gray tank? [message #214142 is a reply to message #214117] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 14:08 |
mickeysss
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where is the gray tank to be placed in a 77 palm beach. mickey anaheim ca,
On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:54 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
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> mickeysss wrote on Thu, 11 July 2013 21:16
>> ...it was best not to put a stable M pump right off the tank but to put it on the end of the original pipe by the bumper and attach it and store it as needed.
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>> like this one from campers world:
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>> http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/flojet-rv-waste-pump-kit/26125
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>> attach it when you need it, and then if you are stable at a place it will not load up setting. if the pump goes out or
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>> gets stuck you can fix it easy. This is what the person told me was better than putting one in that is hard to remove. ...
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> And how is a non-installed macerator any easier than a "slinky" 3 inch hose?
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> You have to take it out and connect it. Then connect the hose to it and hook up power. When done, you have to clean it all out, disconnect and store it all.
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> I had less steps with the OEM set up!
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> With my macerator on my two waste tank Birch it is very easy and quick to dump.
>
> I pull out a hose from a pipe under the rear bumper, take the cap off and stick it in the dump site. I open the gate valve for the black tank and turn on the pump. when it is empty (less than a minute), I close the black tank valve and open the grey... a little over a minute later I turn off the pump, put the cap on the hose and slide it back into the pipe under the rear bumper.
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> -- done --
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> You'd still be setting up to run the "portable" macerator.
>
> (Having both black and grey tanks really works well with a macerator! You rinse out the hose with soapy water!)
>
> The only advantage of the linked system over a 3 inch dump, is it can dump through a "garden" hose... up-hill and for a distance.
>
> But I can do that with my set up, so I can not see NOT installing it if you have it. :roll:
>
> --
> Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
> (#1)'73 26' exPainted D. -- (#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator plumbing [message #214147 is a reply to message #214140] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 15:06 |
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Richard RV
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mickeysss wrote on Fri, 12 July 2013 12:05 | thank you and mark for your designs.
I was told that it does plug up or burn out once a year or so, this is a major let down in time and getting the fixed pump fixed again. How many times has fellow gmc.ers had to fix pumps that are blade broken stuck or just burn out? The one bellow has a fresh water clean out that from a hose you back fill it till it is clean as a whistle. i do not have a gray tank, but am interested in putting one i some where on my palm beach 1977.
The one below with a glass attachment can be seen clean and fully clean out the black tank.
Having both would be also available so if one brakes the other would also be available. But that is 300 dollars more for the extra one. I was told if you park a long time that you keep the gate closed but the 3 inch is put to the dump at all times while parked. then once a week you open the gate and empty. So this can be good to have both big gate and marcerator.
How long does the fix pump work without having to be replaced or have broken blades or subs that revolve and they burn out easy as well, the motors, thank you if you have any other ideas let me know please. mickey anaheim ca, 77 palm beach.
The storage in a plastic pipe along the under carriage looks good for storage. like sword sliding into it. You can have a 20 foot hose storage under the frame. from around the onan area. sani-con looks good as well. IT looks as if one could put a supper
blade fan that would cut anything in the pipe area exiting the black tank, why not make it cut regular paper and any thing
that would be put in there. some real cutting blades high powered and sharp 3 inches in diameter. This would be major up grade.
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A 3" blade would take a lot more torque, require a bigger motor, weigh more, clog and break more often. Other than that it might work, still wouldn't be an upgrade.
If you want a low tech, easily replaceable, non-electric "macerator", look at the Sewer Solution products.
https://sites.google.com/site/roadtrekersite/modifications/macerator/sewer-solution
Richard
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator plumbing [message #214150 is a reply to message #214140] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 15:50 |
Carl S.
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[quote title=mickeysss wrote on Fri, 12 July 2013 12:05
I was told that it does plug up or burn out once a year or so, this is a major let down in time
and getting the fixed pump fixed again. How many times has fellow gmc.ers had to fix pumps
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MM,
I have never had any sort of problem with my PO installed Macerator. We have owned the coach for five years now and use it an average of 30 - 40 days per year (not all at once). The closest thing to a problem I have had with it is it will trip the self resetting circuit breaker once in a while, but only when it is really hot outside. I still have the capability of dumping with the 3" hose but have never had to use it.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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Re: Macerator plumbing [message #214156 is a reply to message #214155] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 16:43 |
Carl S.
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WD0AFQ wrote on Fri, 12 July 2013 14:34 | Keep it wet and you should not have a problem with impeller. You let it sit dry or try to run it dry, it will break an impeller blade. Don,t worry about it, use it like it should be used. I have been guilty of running one too long to get last bit of liquid out of tank. Don,t do that.
Dan
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Good advice. You should also add, "don't let it freeze".
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator plumbing [message #214166 is a reply to message #214156] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 18:00 |
Mike Teets
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I second Carl's "don't let it freeze". I would absolutely not consider a
coach without a macerator. My pump is easily replaceable, and 3 inch
bypass if it fails on the road. I did leave it full of clear water
accidentally one winter and cracked the case. I now remember to run
antifreeze into it when winterizing.
http://teamteets.com/gmc/macerator.html
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> WD0AFQ wrote on Fri, 12 July 2013 14:34
> > Keep it wet and you should not have a problem with impeller. You let it
> sit dry or try to run it dry, it will break an impeller blade. Don,t worry
> about it, use it like it should be used. I have been guilty of running one
> too long to get last bit of liquid out of tank. Don,t do that.
> > Dan
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> Good advice. You should also add, "don't let it freeze". :d
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> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator plumbing [message #214173 is a reply to message #214147] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 19:40 |
mickeysss
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thank you richard, i was looking at this one last night on utube, it also turns up to clean it out. it is not breakable and it can
clean it out till it is clean enough not to bother you and barF, it is cheaper as well, I am very interested in a new design
that is over the top with this problem, like a lawn mower blade inside the black tank and chop up bones and sanitary napkins.
I like strong toilet paper and then i found gospa which i am trying to become the gospa king and toilet train all the gmc'ers to use
the gospa from home depot for 10 bucks. best thing since toilet paper.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/GoSpa-Travel-Bidet-in-Purple-GS-70/203357941
most people think you stick this up your a$$ but you just sit forward a little and without touching yourself
you squirt the water which leaves the nozzle at 45 degrees up on your ass hole at a great pressure that cleans you
very well. paper then is needed just to dry one's self, which is all this thin light toilet paper is good for, it is not good for
sanitary ass wiping for it is to thin. But i still like thick charmin paper that is like a towel like. but this will not go through the pump
and it may pile up in a corner of the black tank. I think that a blade like from a lawn mower with an electric belt driven motor to the top of it from the side of the gmc 12 volt, one could chop up almost anything put in the tank plus a 120
pound air pump sprayed in the back tank on the end of the mower blades that would bring out the corners, or have a circular tank
to match the mower blade. so any ideas i am open too a new poop plan. mickey Anaheim ca. 77 palm in go spa.
The gospa is king..... !
On Jul 12, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Richard wrote:
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> mickeysss wrote on Fri, 12 July 2013 12:05
>> thank you and mark for your designs.
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>> I was told that it does plug up or burn out once a year or so, this is a major let down in time and getting the fixed pump fixed again. How many times has fellow gmc.ers had to fix pumps that are blade broken stuck or just burn out? The one bellow has a fresh water clean out that from a hose you back fill it till it is clean as a whistle. i do not have a gray tank, but am interested in putting one i some where on my palm beach 1977.
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>> The one below with a glass attachment can be seen clean and fully clean out the black tank.
>>
>> Having both would be also available so if one brakes the other would also be available. But that is 300 dollars more for the extra one. I was told if you park a long time that you keep the gate closed but the 3 inch is put to the dump at all times while parked. then once a week you open the gate and empty. So this can be good to have both big gate and marcerator.
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>> How long does the fix pump work without having to be replaced or have broken blades or subs that revolve and they burn out easy as well, the motors, thank you if you have any other ideas let me know please. mickey anaheim ca, 77 palm beach.
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>> The storage in a plastic pipe along the under carriage looks good for storage. like sword sliding into it. You can have a 20 foot hose storage under the frame. from around the onan area. sani-con looks good as well. IT looks as if one could put a supper
>> blade fan that would cut anything in the pipe area exiting the black tank, why not make it cut regular paper and any thing
>> that would be put in there. some real cutting blades high powered and sharp 3 inches in diameter. This would be major up grade.
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> A 3" blade would take a lot more torque, require a bigger motor, weigh more, clog and break more often. Other than that it might work, still wouldn't be an upgrade. ;)
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> If you want a low tech, easily replaceable, non-electric "macerator", look at the Sewer Solution products.
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> https://sites.google.com/site/roadtrekersite/modifications/macerator/sewer-solution
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> Richard
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator plumbing [message #214174 is a reply to message #214150] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 19:43 |
mickeysss
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good data thanks mm, ca. 77pb.
On Jul 12, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
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> [quote title=mickeysss wrote on Fri, 12 July 2013 12:05
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> I was told that it does plug up or burn out once a year or so, this is a major let down in time
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> and getting the fixed pump fixed again. How many times has fellow gmc.ers had to fix pumps
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> MM,
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> I have never had any sort of problem with my PO installed Macerator. We have owned the coach for five years now and use it an average of 30 - 40 days per year (not all at once). The closest thing to a problem I have had with it is it will trip the self resetting circuit breaker once in a while, but only when it is really hot outside. I still have the capability of dumping with the 3" hose but have never had to use it.
> --
> Carl S.
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator plumbing [message #214175 is a reply to message #214166] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 19:45 |
mickeysss
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teets and carl thanks, we do not freeze here unless we go up into the mountains for skiing.
i suppose one day could freeze it what do you do if you go into the skiing are for a few days about ice in the pump and
pipes. ??? mickey 77 palm beach anaheim ca.
On Jul 12, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Mike Teets wrote:
> I second Carl's "don't let it freeze". I would absolutely not consider a
> coach without a macerator. My pump is easily replaceable, and 3 inch
> bypass if it fails on the road. I did leave it full of clear water
> accidentally one winter and cracked the case. I now remember to run
> antifreeze into it when winterizing.
>
> http://teamteets.com/gmc/macerator.html
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> WD0AFQ wrote on Fri, 12 July 2013 14:34
>>> Keep it wet and you should not have a problem with impeller. You let it
>> sit dry or try to run it dry, it will break an impeller blade. Don,t worry
>> about it, use it like it should be used. I have been guilty of running one
>> too long to get last bit of liquid out of tank. Don,t do that.
>>> Dan
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>>
>>
>> Good advice. You should also add, "don't let it freeze". :d
>> --
>> Carl S.
>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>> Tucson, AZ.
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Re: Macerator plumbing [message #214182 is a reply to message #213994] |
Fri, 12 July 2013 20:44 |
habbyguy
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Mine's been pretty near flawless so far. The coach came with some "gifts" from the PO, and who knows how long they'd been in there. Anyway, the macerator didn't want to power up the first time I tried to use it. I crawled underneath, and discovered (to my great relief) that the motor shaft extended out the back of the unit, and had a big ol' screwdriver slot. So all I needed to do was to take my big ol' screwdriver, give it a twist, and I was off to the races, dumping my blackwater tank in nothing flat.
I'd never own a coach without a macerator. It takes the one really unpleasant aspect of RVing down to a very minor annoyance at worst. I can't say it'll grind logs (that's literally logs in this case) or even Mickey's 12-layer superpaper, but it works for everything I've tossed down the proverbial crapper.
Mark Hickey
Mesa, AZ
1978 Royale Center Kitchen
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