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Hi All,
We just took the plunge into the world of RV's, We had decided it would
be nice to have a MH to tow the Auto-x car/cars to the Auto-x's and Hill
climbs and give us a place to stay when we are there. We had been
looking at the class c fiberglass coaches just looking for something
that would be serviceable without putting to much money into it. While
searching Craigslist a GMC motorhome showed up, I remember these coaches
from when I was much younger and remember thinking they were really cool
so I started asking questions and researching the GMC's, that's when I
found this group. I spent a couple days reading the forum posts and with
the level of support both advise and parts wise we decided to go look at
the coach knowing it needed work to bring it up to a serviceable level
as she is pretty rough and has suffered from a lack of love in the past,
but we decided that this coach is worth investing time and money into
because they hold their value and are still one of the coolest coaches I
have seen. So we bought it and brought it home. There are a lot of
"Previous owner syndrome" items to work on and lot of just plain worn
out and in need of service items so my initial plan of attack is to go
through the Vehicle side of things so I can trust it to make it to and
back home from the events, then attack the living quarters side of
things to make sure everything is serviceable Then we can think of
upgrades for the old girl. I'm thinking this will be 5 year process to
bring her back to the cool old coach she should be.
I have a lot of questions I will be posting once we are able to use the
forum and post pictures, but for now I'll start with one I'm working on
now. I have the heater controls cleaned up and working, Need a new cable
for the hot air door, I think that's what the cable controls, and the
fan doesn't work on the high setting, the switch has power to the relay
but the power feed for the high setting is not hot, I have read that the
high feed comes from the alternator directly through a fusible link, The
schematic shows a 30 AMP fuse but no location for the fuse. Before I
tear the wiring harness apart trying to trace it out, does someone know
the routing of this feed and where the fuse/fusible link is located?
The coach is a 1973 26 foot, I have a service manual for it but it is
for the 75-76 models. Is this manual good for the 73 model as well or
are there lots of things that are different between the years?
I'll stop here for now and will be following the responses on the forum.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Brian
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212837 is a reply to message #212834] |
Sun, 30 June 2013 11:40  |
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On Jun 30, 2013, at 12:20 PM, brian@pimmlabs.com wrote:
> The schematic shows a 30 AMP fuse but no location for the fuse. Before I
> tear the wiring harness apart trying to trace it out, does someone know
> the routing of this feed and where the fuse/fusible link is located?
Hi Brian,
I don't, but I'm sure someone does and will respond. I just wanted to say congratulations, good luck and welcome! Also that putting your location, year and model of your coach in your signature is usually very helpful regarding local knowledge and other info.
Tim Conway
LI NY 78PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212839 is a reply to message #212834] |
Sun, 30 June 2013 11:48 |
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Welcome on board
It will be a fun ride.
Howard and Susie
Alpine CA
74 Canyon Lands
Not quite stock
All is well with my Lord
On Jun 30, 2013, at 9:20 AM, <brian@pimmlabs.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We just took the plunge into the world of RV's, We had decided it would
> be nice to have a MH to tow the Auto-x car/cars to the Auto-x's and Hill
> climbs and give us a place to stay when we are there. We had been
> looking at the class c fiberglass coaches just looking for something
> that would be serviceable without putting to much money into it. While
> searching Craigslist a GMC motorhome showed up, I remember these coaches
> from when I was much younger and remember thinking they were really cool
> so I started asking questions and researching the GMC's, that's when I
> found this group. I spent a couple days reading the forum posts and with
> the level of support both advise and parts wise we decided to go look at
> the coach knowing it needed work to bring it up to a serviceable level
> as she is pretty rough and has suffered from a lack of love in the past,
> but we decided that this coach is worth investing time and money into
> because they hold their value and are still one of the coolest coaches I
> have seen. So we bought it and brought it home. There are a lot of
> "Previous owner syndrome" items to work on and lot of just plain worn
> out and in need of service items so my initial plan of attack is to go
> through the Vehicle side of things so I can trust it to make it to and
> back home from the events, then attack the living quarters side of
> things to make sure everything is serviceable Then we can think of
> upgrades for the old girl. I'm thinking this will be 5 year process to
> bring her back to the cool old coach she should be.
>
> I have a lot of questions I will be posting once we are able to use the
> forum and post pictures, but for now I'll start with one I'm working on
> now. I have the heater controls cleaned up and working, Need a new cable
> for the hot air door, I think that's what the cable controls, and the
> fan doesn't work on the high setting, the switch has power to the relay
> but the power feed for the high setting is not hot, I have read that the
> high feed comes from the alternator directly through a fusible link, The
> schematic shows a 30 AMP fuse but no location for the fuse. Before I
> tear the wiring harness apart trying to trace it out, does someone know
> the routing of this feed and where the fuse/fusible link is located?
>
> The coach is a 1973 26 foot, I have a service manual for it but it is
> for the 75-76 models. Is this manual good for the 73 model as well or
> are there lots of things that are different between the years?
>
> I'll stop here for now and will be following the responses on the forum.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Brian
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212841 is a reply to message #212834] |
Sun, 30 June 2013 11:52 |
jimk
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Brien,
We supply parts, but also have a shop so there are things we experience
daily that others are not aware of.
We keep in tune with all the other shops as there are always parts and
problems we need t find out from one another.
People do not realize that we will help a person more if they have not
purchased a single part.
So many people start out by stating all the parts they have purched. I get
rude and say, "What is the questionor help you need"
Makes sense to try to win over a person who has not purchased from us.
Nick and I spend 75% of our day on the phone and have 3 office staff and
one in shipping and receiving
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 9:20 AM, <brian@pimmlabs.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We just took the plunge into the world of RV's, We had decided it would
> be nice to have a MH to tow the Auto-x car/cars to the Auto-x's and Hill
> climbs and give us a place to stay when we are there. We had been
> looking at the class c fiberglass coaches just looking for something
> that would be serviceable without putting to much money into it. While
> searching Craigslist a GMC motorhome showed up, I remember these coaches
> from when I was much younger and remember thinking they were really cool
> so I started asking questions and researching the GMC's, that's when I
> found this group. I spent a couple days reading the forum posts and with
> the level of support both advise and parts wise we decided to go look at
> the coach knowing it needed work to bring it up to a serviceable level
> as she is pretty rough and has suffered from a lack of love in the past,
> but we decided that this coach is worth investing time and money into
> because they hold their value and are still one of the coolest coaches I
> have seen. So we bought it and brought it home. There are a lot of
> "Previous owner syndrome" items to work on and lot of just plain worn
> out and in need of service items so my initial plan of attack is to go
> through the Vehicle side of things so I can trust it to make it to and
> back home from the events, then attack the living quarters side of
> things to make sure everything is serviceable Then we can think of
> upgrades for the old girl. I'm thinking this will be 5 year process to
> bring her back to the cool old coach she should be.
>
> I have a lot of questions I will be posting once we are able to use the
> forum and post pictures, but for now I'll start with one I'm working on
> now. I have the heater controls cleaned up and working, Need a new cable
> for the hot air door, I think that's what the cable controls, and the
> fan doesn't work on the high setting, the switch has power to the relay
> but the power feed for the high setting is not hot, I have read that the
> high feed comes from the alternator directly through a fusible link, The
> schematic shows a 30 AMP fuse but no location for the fuse. Before I
> tear the wiring harness apart trying to trace it out, does someone know
> the routing of this feed and where the fuse/fusible link is located?
>
> The coach is a 1973 26 foot, I have a service manual for it but it is
> for the 75-76 models. Is this manual good for the 73 model as well or
> are there lots of things that are different between the years?
>
> I'll stop here for now and will be following the responses on the forum.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Brian
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212844 is a reply to message #212834] |
Sun, 30 June 2013 12:04 |
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Matt Colie
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Read what Brian (aka bpimm) wrote on Sun, 30 June 2013 12:20
Brian,
http://www.bdub.net/GMCLinks.html and download any and all manuals you can imagine needing ('73 is there).
Next - load Applied (aka JimK) in your speed dial. If you can't find it easily, they will have the right parts.
And, Welcome to the group/family/cult/asylum.
You have come to the right place and you have the right attitude. I do think that your five year estimate is a little high unless you plan to rebuild the interior which I do not recommend until you use what is there.
Expect the cost for what needs doing to be close to 6K$us. But this does include 7 new alloy wheels and tires. You must expect to replace all the rubber parts and flush the brakes and coolant. I mean all the rubber parts. Coolant and fuel are just the beginning. Include brake lines, belts and some mounts and bushings that have aged out. Few of these part are expensive, but the time for this work would kill a person buying the jobs.
You say you race, then you know that it is backwards to look at what the materials and tools cost. Keep thinking about what the job would cost if you bought it.
We often joke that a good road worth and reliable coach will cost 25K$ - All at once or as a kit. I have to say that this is pretty true when you include the labor costs. It will be worth it when you get there.
Lastly, but not to be discounted by any measure is that this will bring you into a community that is more valuable than the coach itself. You will also find that the coach quickly will become more a part of your life than just another toy. As this is much how watermen relate to their boats, I have taken to welcoming new owners in a manner similar to that. So,
May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that set forth within her.
Welcome Brian
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212846 is a reply to message #212844] |
Sun, 30 June 2013 12:15 |
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| Matt Colie wrote on Sun, 30 June 2013 13:04 |
Lastly, but not to be discounted by any measure is that this will bring you into a community that is more valuable than the coach itself. You will also find that the coach quickly will become more a part of your life than just another toy. As this is much how watermen relate to their boats, I have taken to welcoming new owners in a manner similar to that. So,
May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that set forth within her.
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I always liked that, Matt, and you put it very eloquently. It brings to mind another watermen tradition - the blessing of the fleet. I think that would be a swell thing to do at the bigger rallies. Perhaps you could be the fleet chaplain*...?
Richard
* In a non-denominational definition:
2. a person who says the prayer, invocation, etc., for an organization or at an assembly.
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212848 is a reply to message #212834] |
Sun, 30 June 2013 12:41 |
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Go to Jim K. at Applied GMC for your cable.
The +12 volts for your high speed relay comes from a wire connected to the center terminal of your isolator. The fuse or fusible link should be in series with that 2 foot long wire. There are no wiring harnesses to dig into to find that wire.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212854 is a reply to message #212834] |
Sun, 30 June 2013 13:23 |
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Go to Jim K. at Applied GMC for your cable.
The +12 volts for your high speed relay comes from a wire connected to
the center terminal of your isolator. The fuse or fusible link should be
in series with that 2 foot long wire. There are no wiring harnesses to
dig into to find that wire.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Hi Jim, Is this true on the 73 as well? the schematic shows a fuse
instead of a fusible link and the wire in question on mine dives into a
taped up harness. the center terminal on the isolator is hot but the
feed to the high speed relay is not.
Brian
P.S. I tried to respond the previous responses but there isn't much that
can be done using plain text, I'll wait on getting forum approval to
respond instead or responding to each post individually.
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212855 is a reply to message #212848] |
Sun, 30 June 2013 13:25 |
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Brian,
Would you be interested in trading your 75-76 manual for a 73?
On 6/30/13, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Go to Jim K. at Applied GMC for your cable.
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> The +12 volts for your high speed relay comes from a wire connected to the
> center terminal of your isolator. The fuse or fusible link should be in
> series with that 2 foot long wire. There are no wiring harnesses to dig
> into to find that wire.
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> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212889 is a reply to message #212834] |
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Hi Brian,
I don't, but I'm sure someone does and will respond. I just wanted to
say congratulations, good luck and welcome! Also that putting your
location, year and model of your coach in your signature is usually very
helpful regarding local knowledge and other info.
Tim Conway
LI NY 78PB
Thanks for the welcome Tim, I will fill out the Sig as soon as I have
full access to the forum. for now it's 1973 26 foot unknown model, and I
live in Washougal Washington.
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212891 is a reply to message #212834] |
Sun, 30 June 2013 21:59 |
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Welcome.
My experience was similar. Saw these coaches on the road decades ago.
Thought they were the coolest. A year and a half ago, while I was
searching for a generic motorhome, one of these popped up for sale.
Didn't buy that one, but shopped around and got a 78 Royale.
Put headers,final drive and a complete exhaust system in and have been
working to get it reliable for trips.
The support system is great, and you end up with a coach that drives
great, still looks modern and has a devoted following.
Again, welcome
Thanks for the welcome Francois.
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212893 is a reply to message #212834] |
Sun, 30 June 2013 22:00 |
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Brien,
We supply parts, but also have a shop so there are things we experience
daily that others are not aware of.
We keep in tune with all the other shops as there are always parts and
problems we need t find out from one another.
People do not realize that we will help a person more if they have not
purchased a single part.
So many people start out by stating all the parts they have purchased.
I get
rude and say, "What is the question or help you need"
Makes sense to try to win over a person who has not purchased from us.
Nick and I spend 75% of our day on the phone and have 3 office staff
and
one in shipping and receiving
Jim, I haven't purchased any parts yet, hope my comment in the email
didn't make you think I was trying to bribe you into giving help freely,
I had already figured out that you gave free advise from reading the
forum, I was merely stating that you have such a cool selection of
goodies available that I won't be able to live without.
1 ton front end, quadrabag, Disk brake rear, reaction arms to name a
few, and I'm sure there are more. As someone who's into performance
autos upgrades like these are hard to resist.
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212894 is a reply to message #212834] |
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general
From: <brian@pimmlabs.com>
Date: Sun, June 30, 2013 7:54 pm
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Brian,
Would you be interested in trading your 75-76 manual for a 73?
--
Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
GMC=Got More Class
Sure Bruce I would be willing but you may not after seeing this one,
both covers are missing and the title page is taped together and some of
the schematics are loose no longer attached. I cant be sure all the
pages are there the last attached page is a schematic for the living
area 120 volt system. There are 3 schematics that are loose, Motorhome
(with high energy ignition system), Motorhome (with breaker point
ignition system) and Commercial Transmode vehicle (with breaker point
ignition system). If those are the last pages in the manual it should be
complete.
Brian
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212896 is a reply to message #212834] |
Sun, 30 June 2013 22:09 |
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general
From: <brian@pimmlabs.com>
Date: Sun, June 30, 2013 8:03 pm
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
You have come to the right place and you have the right attitude. I do
think that your five year estimate is a little high unless you plan to
rebuild the interior which I do not recommend until you use what is
there.
I do plan on rebuilding the interior as some of it is missing or
hacked, but the 5 year plan is while using the coach, I plan to use it
mid August for the first time so this will be a rolling restoration.
Expect the cost for what needs doing to be close to 6K$us. But this
does include 7 new alloy wheels and tires. You must expect to replace
all the rubber parts and flush the brakes and coolant. I mean all the
rubber parts. Coolant and fuel are just the beginning. Include brake
lines, belts and some mounts and bushings that have aged out. Few of
these part are expensive, but the time for this work would kill a person
buying the jobs.
Very close to what I was thinking, I paid $3K and was expecting about
$10K by the time I'm happy.
You say you race, then you know that it is backwards to look at what
the materials and tools cost. Keep thinking about what the job would
cost if you bought it.
We often joke that a good road worth and reliable coach will cost 25K$
- All at once or as a kit. I have to say that this is pretty true when
you include the labor costs. It will be worth it when you get there.
Lastly, but not to be discounted by any measure is that this will bring
you into a community that is more valuable than the coach itself. You
will also find that the coach quickly will become more a part of your
life than just another toy. As this is much how watermen relate to their
boats, I have taken to welcoming new owners in a manner similar to that.
So,
May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that set forth within
her.
Welcome Brian
Matt
Thank you for the welcome and the blessing Matt.
Brian & RaeDean
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| Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general [message #212898 is a reply to message #212834] |
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general
From: <brian@pimmlabs.com>
Date: Sun, June 30, 2013 8:05 pm
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New to GMC's and RV's in general
From: <brian@pimmlabs.com>
Date: Sun, June 30, 2013 7:54 pm
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Brian,
Would you be interested in trading your 75-76 manual for a 73?
--
Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
GMC=Got More Class
Sure Bruce I would be willing but you may not after seeing this one,
both covers are missing and the title page is taped together and some of
the schematics are loose no longer attached. I cant be sure all the
pages are there the last attached page is a schematic for the living
area 120 volt system. There are 3 schematics that are loose, Motorhome
(with high energy ignition system), Motorhome (with breaker point
ignition system) and Commercial Transmode vehicle (with breaker point
ignition system). If those are the last pages in the manual it should be
complete.
Brian
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