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| electric signal tracer [message #212730] |
Sat, 29 June 2013 11:02  |
Don A
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I am trying to find an electric signal tracer that generates its own signal and power so it could be used for many types of wiring. Like cat 5, or antenna coax, 12v lines as well as 120v. Just to check continuity, to find the right wire, not test it's condition.
Home Depot has one for $40 that plugs into a 120v circuit to find that breaker. But only for 120v. And it has to have the circuit live, wouldn't work if the breaker or circuit is dead. How is that useful?
I have seen fox and hound testers for hundreds of dollars, but why so much? How hard could it be for an electrical wizard which I am not.
Any one know a cheap source? Thanks
Don Adams Dallas, TX
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| Re: electric signal tracer [message #212731 is a reply to message #212730] |
Sat, 29 June 2013 11:15  |
lqqkatjon
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Have not used it on 110v. But we use wire toners for coax and telephone like the fox and hound. There are some varients at home depot for $80 or less. I think even for $40 there is a yellow one.
Harbor freight had one for real cheap, And it did work.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: electric signal tracer [message #212732 is a reply to message #212730] |
Sat, 29 June 2013 11:17 |
lqqkatjon
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I know on phone circuts and many othe applications how i make sure i have the correct wire is by using a analog ohm meter. And by grounding the wire. If that meter jumps when you ground the oppisite end. You know you have the correct one.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] electric signal tracer [message #212733 is a reply to message #212732] |
Sat, 29 June 2013 11:54 |
James Hupy
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Don, what I use when tracing dead circuits is a 9 volt battery with the
plug in connectors equipped with alligator clips. I ground the negative
lead onto a known good ground and connect the positive lead to the
conductor being checked. I use on the other end of the circuit a small door
entry annunciator chime that I got from radio shack. It is made to work
with low voltage systems. It is polarity conscious so you have to ground
the negative side and attach the positive lead to the other end of the
conductor being checked. If you have a good wire, the chime will sound.
When I work by myself, which is most of the time, it is a real step saver.
I got a little more elaborate with the battery leads and used a ac adaptor
instead of the 9 volt battery. It works just as well as the 9 volt battery.
There are a lot of different ways to use this deal, but when you are
blowing fuses, it will help trace the shorts.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Jon Roche <lqqkatjon@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I know on phone circuts and many othe applications how i make sure i have
> the correct wire is by using a analog ohm meter. And by grounding the
> wire. If that meter jumps when you ground the oppisite end. You know you
> have the correct one.
> --
> 75 palm beach
> St. Cloud, MN
> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] electric signal tracer [message #212737 is a reply to message #212733] |
Sat, 29 June 2013 12:20 |
emerystora
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I purchased a unit from Home Depot several years ago and it really works well. It puts an electronic signal into a line and includes a separate tracer than receives the signal so you can trace a wire or determine where there is a break. It has connectors for two conductor coax, telephone line plug and ethernet line plug. There are also two alligator clips for clipping to bare wire or to connect into terminals.
I just checked and they still sell it:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Gardner-Bender-Multi-Purpose-Wire-Tracer-1-Clam-5Clams-Master-GET-4220K/100192834#.Uc8WSha5Jbs
$46.97 with free shipping.
I am very pleased with this unit.
Emery Stora
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:54 AM, James Hupy wrote:
> Don, what I use when tracing dead circuits is a 9 volt battery with the
> plug in connectors equipped with alligator clips. I ground the negative
> lead onto a known good ground and connect the positive lead to the
> conductor being checked. I use on the other end of the circuit a small door
> entry annunciator chime that I got from radio shack. It is made to work
> with low voltage systems. It is polarity conscious so you have to ground
> the negative side and attach the positive lead to the other end of the
> conductor being checked. If you have a good wire, the chime will sound.
> When I work by myself, which is most of the time, it is a real step saver.
> I got a little more elaborate with the battery leads and used a ac adaptor
> instead of the 9 volt battery. It works just as well as the 9 volt battery.
> There are a lot of different ways to use this deal, but when you are
> blowing fuses, it will help trace the shorts.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Jon Roche <lqqkatjon@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>> I know on phone circuts and many othe applications how i make sure i have
>> the correct wire is by using a analog ohm meter. And by grounding the
>> wire. If that meter jumps when you ground the oppisite end. You know you
>> have the correct one.
>> --
>> 75 palm beach
>> St. Cloud, MN
>> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] electric signal tracer [message #212738 is a reply to message #212737] |
Sat, 29 June 2013 12:38 |
Don A
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WOW great ideas guys and a nice one from HD.
Thanks so much.
Don Adams Dallas, TX
'76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
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| Re: [GMCnet] electric signal tracer [message #212748 is a reply to message #212737] |
Sat, 29 June 2013 14:33 |
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I suggest anybody considering buying this device should read ALL the customer reviews before buying one!
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> From: emerystora@mac.com
> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 11:20:12 -0600
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] electric signal tracer
>
> I purchased a unit from Home Depot several years ago and it really works well. It puts an electronic signal into a line and includes a separate tracer than receives the signal so you can trace a wire or determine where there is a break. It has connectors for two conductor coax, telephone line plug and ethernet line plug. There are also two alligator clips for clipping to bare wire or to connect into terminals.
>
> I just checked and they still sell it:
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Gardner-Bender-Multi-Purpose-Wire-Tracer-1-Clam-5Clams-Master-GET-4220K/100192834#.Uc8WSha5Jbs
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> $46.97 with free shipping.
>
> I am very pleased with this unit.
>
> Emery Stora
>
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:54 AM, James Hupy wrote:
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> > Don, what I use when tracing dead circuits is a 9 volt battery with the
> > plug in connectors equipped with alligator clips. I ground the negative
> > lead onto a known good ground and connect the positive lead to the
> > conductor being checked. I use on the other end of the circuit a small door
> > entry annunciator chime that I got from radio shack. It is made to work
> > with low voltage systems. It is polarity conscious so you have to ground
> > the negative side and attach the positive lead to the other end of the
> > conductor being checked. If you have a good wire, the chime will sound.
> > When I work by myself, which is most of the time, it is a real step saver.
> > I got a little more elaborate with the battery leads and used a ac adaptor
> > instead of the 9 volt battery. It works just as well as the 9 volt battery.
> > There are a lot of different ways to use this deal, but when you are
> > blowing fuses, it will help trace the shorts.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, OR
> > 78 GMC Royale 403
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Jon Roche <lqqkatjon@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I know on phone circuts and many othe applications how i make sure i have
> >> the correct wire is by using a analog ohm meter. And by grounding the
> >> wire. If that meter jumps when you ground the oppisite end. You know you
> >> have the correct one.
> >> --
> >> 75 palm beach
> >> St. Cloud, MN
> >> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] electric signal tracer [message #212753 is a reply to message #212733] |
Sat, 29 June 2013 15:53 |
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THIS IS WHAT i USE - $10
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6403-battery-leak-checker.html
GNE
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:54 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don, what I use when tracing dead circuits is a 9 volt battery with the
> plug in connectors equipped with alligator clips. I ground the negative
> lead onto a known good ground and connect the positive lead to the
> conductor being checked. I use on the other end of the circuit a small door
> entry annunciator chime that I got from radio shack. It is made to work
> with low voltage systems. It is polarity conscious so you have to ground
> the negative side and attach the positive lead to the other end of the
> conductor being checked. If you have a good wire, the chime will sound.
> When I work by myself, which is most of the time, it is a real step saver.
> I got a little more elaborate with the battery leads and used a ac adaptor
> instead of the 9 volt battery. It works just as well as the 9 volt battery.
> There are a lot of different ways to use this deal, but when you are
> blowing fuses, it will help trace the shorts.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Jon Roche <lqqkatjon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I know on phone circuts and many othe applications how i make sure i have
> > the correct wire is by using a analog ohm meter. And by grounding the
> > wire. If that meter jumps when you ground the oppisite end. You know you
> > have the correct one.
> > --
> > 75 palm beach
> > St. Cloud, MN
> > http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] electric signal tracer [message #212754 is a reply to message #212753] |
Sat, 29 June 2013 15:56 |
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But what if you have a break in the wire. Your test would tell you it is the wrong wire. The electronic signal tester can be used along the wire and you will find the break.
Emery Stora
On Jun 29, 2013, at 2:53 PM, gene Fisher wrote:
> THIS IS WHAT i USE - $10
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6403-battery-leak-checker.html
>
> GNE
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:54 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Don, what I use when tracing dead circuits is a 9 volt battery with the
>> plug in connectors equipped with alligator clips. I ground the negative
>> lead onto a known good ground and connect the positive lead to the
>> conductor being checked. I use on the other end of the circuit a small door
>> entry annunciator chime that I got from radio shack. It is made to work
>> with low voltage systems. It is polarity conscious so you have to ground
>> the negative side and attach the positive lead to the other end of the
>> conductor being checked. If you have a good wire, the chime will sound.
>> When I work by myself, which is most of the time, it is a real step saver.
>> I got a little more elaborate with the battery leads and used a ac adaptor
>> instead of the 9 volt battery. It works just as well as the 9 volt battery.
>> There are a lot of different ways to use this deal, but when you are
>> blowing fuses, it will help trace the shorts.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, OR
>> 78 GMC Royale 403
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Jon Roche <lqqkatjon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know on phone circuts and many othe applications how i make sure i have
>>> the correct wire is by using a analog ohm meter. And by grounding the
>>> wire. If that meter jumps when you ground the oppisite end. You know you
>>> have the correct one.
>>> --
>>> 75 palm beach
>>> St. Cloud, MN
>>> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
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| Re: [GMCnet] electric signal tracer [message #212759 is a reply to message #212754] |
Sat, 29 June 2013 16:28 |
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Less than $25 on amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Gardner-Bender-Tester-Tracker-GET-4220K/
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
> But what if you have a break in the wire. Your test would tell you it is
> the wrong wire. The electronic signal tester can be used along the wire
> and you will find the break.
>
> Emery Stora
>
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 2:53 PM, gene Fisher wrote:
>
> > THIS IS WHAT i USE - $10
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6403-battery-leak-checker.html
> >
> > GNE
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:54 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Don, what I use when tracing dead circuits is a 9 volt battery with the
> >> plug in connectors equipped with alligator clips. I ground the negative
> >> lead onto a known good ground and connect the positive lead to the
> >> conductor being checked. I use on the other end of the circuit a small
> door
> >> entry annunciator chime that I got from radio shack. It is made to work
> >> with low voltage systems. It is polarity conscious so you have to ground
> >> the negative side and attach the positive lead to the other end of the
> >> conductor being checked. If you have a good wire, the chime will sound.
> >> When I work by myself, which is most of the time, it is a real step
> saver.
> >> I got a little more elaborate with the battery leads and used a ac
> adaptor
> >> instead of the 9 volt battery. It works just as well as the 9 volt
> battery.
> >> There are a lot of different ways to use this deal, but when you are
> >> blowing fuses, it will help trace the shorts.
> >> Jim Hupy
> >> Salem, OR
> >> 78 GMC Royale 403
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Jon Roche <lqqkatjon@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I know on phone circuts and many othe applications how i make sure i
> have
> >>> the correct wire is by using a analog ohm meter. And by grounding the
> >>> wire. If that meter jumps when you ground the oppisite end. You know
> you
> >>> have the correct one.
> >>> --
> >>> 75 palm beach
> >>> St. Cloud, MN
> >>> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> GMCnet mailing list
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> > “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
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| Re: [GMCnet] electric signal tracer [message #212779 is a reply to message #212754] |
Sat, 29 June 2013 19:30 |
Mr ERFisher
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Yep
Looking for leaking current, not opens
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On Jun 29, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
> But what if you have a break in the wire. Your test would tell you it is the wrong wire. The electronic signal tester can be used along the wire and you will find the break.
>
> Emery Stora
>
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 2:53 PM, gene Fisher wrote:
>
>> THIS IS WHAT i USE - $10
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6403-battery-leak-checker.html
>>
>> GNE
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:54 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Don, what I use when tracing dead circuits is a 9 volt battery with the
>>> plug in connectors equipped with alligator clips. I ground the negative
>>> lead onto a known good ground and connect the positive lead to the
>>> conductor being checked. I use on the other end of the circuit a small door
>>> entry annunciator chime that I got from radio shack. It is made to work
>>> with low voltage systems. It is polarity conscious so you have to ground
>>> the negative side and attach the positive lead to the other end of the
>>> conductor being checked. If you have a good wire, the chime will sound.
>>> When I work by myself, which is most of the time, it is a real step saver.
>>> I got a little more elaborate with the battery leads and used a ac adaptor
>>> instead of the 9 volt battery. It works just as well as the 9 volt battery.
>>> There are a lot of different ways to use this deal, but when you are
>>> blowing fuses, it will help trace the shorts.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>> Salem, OR
>>> 78 GMC Royale 403
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Jon Roche <lqqkatjon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know on phone circuts and many othe applications how i make sure i have
>>>> the correct wire is by using a analog ohm meter. And by grounding the
>>>> wire. If that meter jumps when you ground the oppisite end. You know you
>>>> have the correct one.
>>>> --
>>>> 75 palm beach
>>>> St. Cloud, MN
>>>> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>> -------
>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>> Alternator Protection Cable
>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
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| Re: [GMCnet] electric signal tracer [message #212825 is a reply to message #212730] |
Sun, 30 June 2013 10:02 |
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I'll look tomorrow at work, I don't think we've paid as much as a hundred for them. Basically the 'fox' is a tone generator which produces a low impedance warble or fixed tone very rich in harmonics, and the 'hound' is a very high impedance input inductive amplifier. The wire the fox is connected to will radiate to a degree, and the hound will pick it up when its probe is close to the wire.
Be sure the wire being traced is not connected to the power source.
--johnny
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'76 palm beach
From: Don Adams <dj.adams@att.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] electric signal tracer
I am trying to find an electric signal tracer that generates its own signal and power so it could be used for many types of wiring. Like cat 5, or antenna coax, 12v lines as well as 120v. Just to check continuity, to find the right wire, not test it's condition.
Home Depot has one for $40 that plugs into a 120v circuit to find that breaker. But only for 120v. And it has to have the circuit live, wouldn't work if the breaker or circuit is dead. How is that useful?
I have seen fox and hound testers for hundreds of dollars, but why so much? How hard could it be for an electrical wizard which I am not.
Any one know a cheap source? Thanks
--
Don Adams Dallas, TX
'76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
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Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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