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| [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212396] |
Wed, 26 June 2013 17:34  |
jhbridges
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I had an idea.....
After watching the captain run the tug which hauled us on a river trip from St Paul last weekend, I got to thinking.... ehrn I was a kid we kept a houseboat on one of the Alabama lakes.
Since then, they have built Jones Bluff Lock and Dam, and the river is navigable again to Montgomery. So I got to thinking.
What if one engaged a barge (r two or three) and a crewed towboat, loaded the GMCs upon it, and took a river trip?
Had I a houseboat anymore, I'd start at Montgomery, down to the Mobile River, up the Tombigbee to the Tenn-Tom Canal, up to the Tennessee, over to Cairo, down the Mississippi to New Orleans. With stops along the way. Cape Gorardeau, Memphis, Tuscaloosa, Mobile, etc.
So the question is, would it be a viable trip for summer fun? A month or six weeks anyway. How many GMCs would you put on a barge? Would you rent a big genset and power, or roll your own? Etc.
Anyone but me interested in this sort of foolishness? You'd have to commit up front to a caryain amount of time and dimes.... but I don't see much of a limit to how many GMCs you could take - a full tow is three barges by five, waaaay the hell more than you'd need.
It's a long term plan/idea. Interest?
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212397 is a reply to message #212396] |
Wed, 26 June 2013 17:44  |
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http://www.seratah-borneo.com/rental-tug-boat-barge-rates
rental for tug and barge runs 325-750 million dollars a month.
| Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 26 June 2013 18:34 |
I had an idea.....
After watching the captain run the tug which hauled us on a river trip from St Paul last weekend, I got to thinking.... ehrn I was a kid we kept a houseboat on one of the Alabama lakes.
Since then, they have built Jones Bluff Lock and Dam, and the river is navigable again to Montgomery. So I got to thinking.
What if one engaged a barge (r two or three) and a crewed towboat, loaded the GMCs upon it, and took a river trip?
Had I a houseboat anymore, I'd start at Montgomery, down to the Mobile River, up the Tombigbee to the Tenn-Tom Canal, up to the Tennessee, over to Cairo, down the Mississippi to New Orleans. With stops along the way. Cape Gorardeau, Memphis, Tuscaloosa, Mobile, etc.
So the question is, would it be a viable trip for summer fun? A month or six weeks anyway. How many GMCs would you put on a barge? Would you rent a big genset and power, or roll your own? Etc.
Anyone but me interested in this sort of foolishness? You'd have to commit up front to a caryain amount of time and dimes.... but I don't see much of a limit to how many GMCs you could take - a full tow is three barges by five, waaaay the hell more than you'd need.
It's a long term plan/idea. Interest?
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212399 is a reply to message #212396] |
Wed, 26 June 2013 17:46 |
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There is a shot on the wall at Sirum GMC of this very idea.They have a couple barges with a dozen or so GMC's on a river trip.they stopped at a bunch of cool locations along the way.
Talk about saving gas....
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212400 is a reply to message #212396] |
Wed, 26 June 2013 17:50 |
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I am in
how about a float down the Ol MO. top to bottom?
they used to offer tours to do this
might be easier
gene
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
> I had an idea.....
> After watching the captain run the tug which hauled us on a river trip
> from St Paul last weekend, I got to thinking.... ehrn I was a kid we kept a
> houseboat on one of the Alabama lakes.
> Since then, they have built Jones Bluff Lock and Dam, and the river is
> navigable again to Montgomery. So I got to thinking.
> What if one engaged a barge (r two or three) and a crewed towboat, loaded
> the GMCs upon it, and took a river trip?
> Had I a houseboat anymore, I'd start at Montgomery, down to the Mobile
> River, up the Tombigbee to the Tenn-Tom Canal, up to the Tennessee, over to
> Cairo, down the Mississippi to New Orleans. With stops along the way.
> Cape Gorardeau, Memphis, Tuscaloosa, Mobile, etc.
> So the question is, would it be a viable trip for summer fun? A month or
> six weeks anyway. How many GMCs would you put on a barge? Would you rent
> a big genset and power, or roll your own? Etc.
> Anyone but me interested in this sort of foolishness? You'd have to
> commit up front to a caryain amount of time and dimes.... but I don't see
> much of a limit to how many GMCs you could take - a full tow is three
> barges by five, waaaay the hell more than you'd need.
>
> It's a long term plan/idea. Interest?
>
> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> '76 palm beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212401 is a reply to message #212397] |
Wed, 26 June 2013 17:54 |
jhbridges
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Well, 325 million borneo rupees anyway - what's the exchange rate? M e for the U.S. rivers though... Although a 180 foot barge is 7 GMCs long and 4 wise anyway. Are there 28 of us who are interested in Borbeo?
==johnny
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] floating rally
http://www.seratah-borneo.com/rental-tug-boat-barge-rates
rental for tug and barge runs 325-750 million dollars a month.
Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 26 June 2013 18:34
> I had an idea.....
> After watching the captain run the tug which hauled us on a river trip from St Paul last weekend, I got to thinking.... ehrn I was a kid we kept a houseboat on one of the Alabama lakes.
> Since then, they have built Jones Bluff Lock and Dam, and the river is navigable again to Montgomery. So I got to thinking.
> What if one engaged a barge (r two or three) and a crewed towboat, loaded the GMCs upon it, and took a river trip?
> Had I a houseboat anymore, I'd start at Montgomery, down to the Mobile River, up the Tombigbee to the Tenn-Tom Canal, up to the Tennessee, over to Cairo, down the Mississippi to New Orleans. With stops along the way. Cape Gorardeau, Memphis, Tuscaloosa, Mobile, etc.
> So the question is, would it be a viable trip for summer fun? A month or six weeks anyway. How many GMCs would you put on a barge? Would you rent a big genset and power, or roll your own? Etc.
> Anyone but me interested in this sort of foolishness? You'd have to commit up front to a caryain amount of time and dimes.... but I don't see much of a limit to how many GMCs you could take - a full tow is three barges by five, waaaay the hell more than you'd need.
>
> It's a long term plan/idea. Interest?
>
> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> '76 palm beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212402 is a reply to message #212400] |
Wed, 26 June 2013 17:59 |
jhbridges
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well, mo to stl, then s to Memphis and on to New Orleans or turn left and up the ten to nickajack, or over to the Tombigbee and down to Mobile.  Somebody wanna ask Sirum about the process and pitfalls? No need to reinvent the wheel if we can pick the brains of a previous inventor.
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From: gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] floating rally
I am in
how about a float down the Ol MO. top to bottom?
they used to offer tours to do this
might be easier
gene
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
> I had an idea.....
> After watching the captain run the tug which hauled us on a river trip
> from St Paul last weekend, I got to thinking.... ehrn I was a kid we kept a
> houseboat on one of the Alabama lakes.
> Since then, they have built Jones Bluff Lock and Dam, and the river is
> navigable again to Montgomery. So I got to thinking.
> What if one engaged a barge (r two or three) and a crewed towboat, loaded
> the GMCs upon it, and took a river trip?
> Had I a houseboat anymore, I'd start at Montgomery, down to the Mobile
> River, up the Tombigbee to the Tenn-Tom Canal, up to the Tennessee, over to
> Cairo, down the Mississippi to New Orleans. With stops along the way.
> Cape Gorardeau, Memphis, Tuscaloosa, Mobile, etc.
> So the question is, would it be a viable trip for summer fun? A month or
> six weeks anyway. How many GMCs would you put on a barge? Would you rent
> a big genset and power, or roll your own? Etc.
> Anyone but me interested in this sort of foolishness? You'd have to
> commit up front to a caryain amount of time and dimes.... but I don't see
> much of a limit to how many GMCs you could take - a full tow is three
> barges by five, waaaay the hell more than you'd need.
>
> It's a long term plan/idea. Interest?
>
> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> '76 palm beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212406 is a reply to message #212401] |
Wed, 26 June 2013 18:33 |
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Well, 7' x 26' = 182'
How long is that 180' barge?
Maybe you can find four 23' to go along.
Emery Stora
On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
> Well, 325 million borneo rupees anyway - what's the exchange rate? M e for the U.S. rivers though... Although a 180 foot barge is 7 GMCs long and 4 wise anyway. Are there 28 of us who are interested in Borbeo?
>
> ==johnny
>
>
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> From: Charles Boyd <covered-wagon@comcast.net>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] floating rally
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> http://www.seratah-borneo.com/rental-tug-boat-barge-rates
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> rental for tug and barge runs 325-750 million dollars a month.
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> Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 26 June 2013 18:34
>> I had an idea.....
>> After watching the captain run the tug which hauled us on a river trip from St Paul last weekend, I got to thinking.... ehrn I was a kid we kept a houseboat on one of the Alabama lakes.
>> Since then, they have built Jones Bluff Lock and Dam, and the river is navigable again to Montgomery. So I got to thinking.
>> What if one engaged a barge (r two or three) and a crewed towboat, loaded the GMCs upon it, and took a river trip?
>> Had I a houseboat anymore, I'd start at Montgomery, down to the Mobile River, up the Tombigbee to the Tenn-Tom Canal, up to the Tennessee, over to Cairo, down the Mississippi to New Orleans. With stops along the way. Cape Gorardeau, Memphis, Tuscaloosa, Mobile, etc.
>> So the question is, would it be a viable trip for summer fun? A month or six weeks anyway. How many GMCs would you put on a barge? Would you rent a big genset and power, or roll your own? Etc.
>> Anyone but me interested in this sort of foolishness? You'd have to commit up front to a caryain amount of time and dimes.... but I don't see much of a limit to how many GMCs you could take - a full tow is three barges by five, waaaay the hell more than you'd need.
>>
>> It's a long term plan/idea. Interest?
>>
>> --johnny
>> '76 23' transmode norris
>> '76 palm beach
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212409 is a reply to message #212406] |
Wed, 26 June 2013 18:35 |
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the tours supplied meals, and docents
gene
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@me.com> wrote:
> Well, 7' x 26' = 182'
>
> How long is that 180' barge?
>
> Maybe you can find four 23' to go along.
>
> Emery Stora
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> On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, 325 million borneo rupees anyway - what's the exchange rate? M e
> for the U.S. rivers though... Although a 180 foot barge is 7 GMCs long and
> 4 wise anyway. Are there 28 of us who are interested in Borbeo?
> >
> > ==johnny
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Charles Boyd <covered-wagon@comcast.net>
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 6:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] floating rally
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.seratah-borneo.com/rental-tug-boat-barge-rates
> >
> > rental for tug and barge runs 325-750 million dollars a month.
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> > Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 26 June 2013 18:34
> >> I had an idea.....
> >> After watching the captain run the tug which hauled us on a river trip
> from St Paul last weekend, I got to thinking.... ehrn I was a kid we kept a
> houseboat on one of the Alabama lakes.
> >> Since then, they have built Jones Bluff Lock and Dam, and the river is
> navigable again to Montgomery. So I got to thinking.
> >> What if one engaged a barge (r two or three) and a crewed towboat,
> loaded the GMCs upon it, and took a river trip?
> >> Had I a houseboat anymore, I'd start at Montgomery, down to the Mobile
> River, up the Tombigbee to the Tenn-Tom Canal, up to the Tennessee, over to
> Cairo, down the Mississippi to New Orleans. With stops along the way.
> Cape Gorardeau, Memphis, Tuscaloosa, Mobile, etc.
> >> So the question is, would it be a viable trip for summer fun? A month
> or six weeks anyway. How many GMCs would you put on a barge? Would you
> rent a big genset and power, or roll your own? Etc.
> >> Anyone but me interested in this sort of foolishness? You'd have to
> commit up front to a caryain amount of time and dimes.... but I don't see
> much of a limit to how many GMCs you could take - a full tow is three
> barges by five, waaaay the hell more than you'd need.
> >>
> >> It's a long term plan/idea. Interest?
> >>
> >> --johnny
> >> '76 23' transmode norris
> >> '76 palm beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212412 is a reply to message #212409] |
Wed, 26 June 2013 19:02 |
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Sounds like fun.
On Jun 26, 2013 6:36 PM, "gene Fisher" <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
> the tours supplied meals, and docents
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> gene
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> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@me.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, 7' x 26' = 182'
> >
> > How long is that 180' barge?
> >
> > Maybe you can find four 23' to go along.
> >
> > Emery Stora
> >
> > On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Well, 325 million borneo rupees anyway - what's the exchange rate? M e
> > for the U.S. rivers though... Although a 180 foot barge is 7 GMCs long
> and
> > 4 wise anyway. Are there 28 of us who are interested in Borbeo?
> > >
> > > ==johnny
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Charles Boyd <covered-wagon@comcast.net>
> > > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 6:44 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] floating rally
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.seratah-borneo.com/rental-tug-boat-barge-rates
> > >
> > > rental for tug and barge runs 325-750 million dollars a month.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 26 June 2013 18:34
> > >> I had an idea.....
> > >> After watching the captain run the tug which hauled us on a river trip
> > from St Paul last weekend, I got to thinking.... ehrn I was a kid we
> kept a
> > houseboat on one of the Alabama lakes.
> > >> Since then, they have built Jones Bluff Lock and Dam, and the river is
> > navigable again to Montgomery. So I got to thinking.
> > >> What if one engaged a barge (r two or three) and a crewed towboat,
> > loaded the GMCs upon it, and took a river trip?
> > >> Had I a houseboat anymore, I'd start at Montgomery, down to the Mobile
> > River, up the Tombigbee to the Tenn-Tom Canal, up to the Tennessee, over
> to
> > Cairo, down the Mississippi to New Orleans. With stops along the way.
> > Cape Gorardeau, Memphis, Tuscaloosa, Mobile, etc.
> > >> So the question is, would it be a viable trip for summer fun? A month
> > or six weeks anyway. How many GMCs would you put on a barge? Would you
> > rent a big genset and power, or roll your own? Etc.
> > >> Anyone but me interested in this sort of foolishness? You'd have to
> > commit up front to a caryain amount of time and dimes.... but I don't see
> > much of a limit to how many GMCs you could take - a full tow is three
> > barges by five, waaaay the hell more than you'd need.
> > >>
> > >> It's a long term plan/idea. Interest?
> > >>
> > >> --johnny
> > >> '76 23' transmode norris
> > >> '76 palm beach
> > >> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212414 is a reply to message #212399] |
Wed, 26 June 2013 19:54 |
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| Cadillackeeper wrote on Wed, 26 June 2013 18:46 |
There is a shot on the wall at Sirum GMC of this very idea.They have a couple barges with a dozen or so GMC's on a river trip.they stopped at a bunch of cool locations along the way.
Talk about saving gas....
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It can no longer be done. The picture on the wall was of a company that did those tours specifically for motorhomes and large passenger groups. It was run out of business by some changes in the laws regarding tie downs, passengers on commercial vessels, and passengers loose on decks. The couple companies that used to do this are long gone and will not be back. After seeing the picture on the wall I asked Alex about it and he said it was one of the best GMC events he ever attended and confirmed that he and others tried to organize another similar event and was told it was impossible.
There isn't much information here:
http://community.fmca.com/topic/2602-barge-on-the-mississippi/
but you can see confirmation that these tours are long gone. This article from 1999 is a nice reminder of what used to be:
http://www.cincinnati.com/travel/stories/062799_barge.html
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| jknezek wrote on Wed, 26 June 2013 20:54 |
It can no longer be done. The picture on the wall was of a company that did those tours specifically for motorhomes and large passenger groups. It was run out of business by some changes in the laws regarding tie downs, passengers on commercial vessels, and passengers loose on decks. The couple companies that used to do this are long gone and will not be back. After seeing the picture on the wall I asked Alex about it and he said it was one of the best GMC events he ever attended and confirmed that he and others tried to organize another similar event and was told it was impossible.
There isn't much information here:
http://community.fmca.com/topic/2602-barge-on-the-mississippi/
but you can see confirmation that these tours are long gone. This article from 1999 is a nice reminder of what used to be:
http://www.cincinnati.com/travel/stories/062799_barge.html
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While I don't argue that the government can put anybody it chooses to right out of business. Like watch your electric rates. But, if someone wants to do this, where he needs to start is as a ferry service.
There are two that I can think of right away that operate as a an unlicensed barge and a tugboat. One is here and does the Detroit-Windsor crossing with hazardous cargo that is not allowed on the bridge, and the other crosses lower Lake Champlain between Ticonderoga NY and Shoreham VT.
If they can do it, someone could find a way. Providing life jackets and the required railing isn't all that tough.
We took the coach on two boat rides just to get to Hatteras from the south on the way home from Dothan.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212528 is a reply to message #212406] |
Thu, 27 June 2013 14:36 |
jhbridges
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For 325 million, they surely will add an overhang...
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Well, 7' x 26' = 182'
How long is that 180' barge?
Maybe you can find four 23' to go along.
Emery Stora
On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
> Well, 325 million borneo rupees anyway - what's the exchange rate? M e for the U.S. rivers though... Although a 180 foot barge is 7 GMCs long and 4 wise anyway. Are there 28 of us who are interested in Borbeo?
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> Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 26 June 2013 18:34
>> I had an idea.....
>> After watching the captain run the tug which hauled us on a river trip from St Paul last weekend, I got to thinking.... ehrn I was a kid we kept a houseboat on one of the Alabama lakes.
>> Since then, they have built Jones Bluff Lock and Dam, and the river is navigable again to Montgomery. So I got to thinking.
>> What if one engaged a barge (r two or three) and a crewed towboat, loaded the GMCs upon it, and took a river trip?
>> Had I a houseboat anymore, I'd start at Montgomery, down to the Mobile River, up the Tombigbee to the Tenn-Tom Canal, up to the Tennessee, over to Cairo, down the Mississippi to New Orleans. With stops along the way. Cape Gorardeau, Memphis, Tuscaloosa, Mobile, etc.
>> So the question is, would it be a viable trip for summer fun? A month or six weeks anyway. How many GMCs would you put on a barge? Would you rent a big genset and power, or roll your own? Etc.
>> Anyone but me interested in this sort of foolishness? You'd have to commit up front to a caryain amount of time and dimes.... but I don't see much of a limit to how many GMCs you could take - a full tow is three barges by five, waaaay the hell more than you'd need.
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>> It's a long term plan/idea. Interest?
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212533 is a reply to message #212414] |
Thu, 27 June 2013 14:50 |
jhbridges
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Nothing's impossible - but it may turn out to be so expensive it isn't worthwhile... courtesy of our ever growing bureaucracy. But it >may< be like a lottery - remove one of the elements and suddenly it isn't illegal. Lessee.....
--johnny
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Cadillackeeper wrote on Wed, 26 June 2013 18:46
> There is a shot on the wall at Sirum GMC of this very idea.They have a couple barges with a dozen or so GMC's on a river trip.they stopped at a bunch of cool locations along the way.
> Talk about saving gas....
It can no longer be done. The picture on the wall was of a company that did those tours specifically for motorhomes and large passenger groups. It was run out of business by some changes in the laws regarding tie downs, passengers on commercial vessels, and passengers loose on decks. The couple companies that used to do this are long gone and will not be back. After seeing the picture on the wall I asked Alex about it and he said it was one of the best GMC events he ever attended and confirmed that he and others tried to organize another similar event and was told it was impossible.
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Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212536 is a reply to message #212424] |
Thu, 27 June 2013 15:02 |
jhbridges
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Also, we're a private club or affinity group, not a profit making enterprise. Makes a difference.
--johnny
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Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] floating rally
jknezek wrote on Wed, 26 June 2013 20:54
> It can no longer be done. The picture on the wall was of a company that did those tours specifically for motorhomes and large passenger groups. It was run out of business by some changes in the laws regarding tie downs, passengers on commercial vessels, and passengers loose on decks. The couple companies that used to do this are long gone and will not be back. After seeing the picture on the wall I asked Alex about it and he said it was one of the best GMC events he ever attended and confirmed that he and others tried to organize another similar event and was told it was impossible.
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> There isn't much information here:
> http://community.fmca.com/topic/2602-barge-on-the-mississippi/
> but you can see confirmation that these tours are long gone. This article from 1999 is a nice reminder of what used to be:
> http://www.cincinnati.com/travel/stories/062799_barge.html
While I don't argue that the government can put anybody it chooses to right out of business. Like watch your electric rates. But, if someone wants to do this, where he needs to start is as a ferry service.
There are two that I can think of right away that operate as a an unlicensed barge and a tugboat. One is here and does the Detroit-Windsor crossing with hazardous cargo that is not allowed on the bridge, and the other crosses lower Lake Champlain between Ticonderoga NY and Shoreham VT.
If they can do it, someone could find a way. Providing life jackets and the required railing isn't all that tough.
We took the coach on two boat rides just to get to Hatteras from the south on the way home from Dothan.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212599 is a reply to message #212536] |
Fri, 28 June 2013 06:42 |
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Start with the Coast Guard.
Ultimately they decide what does and does not happen on the navigable waters of the United States.
The org chart has changed considerably since we came under DHS so I don't know the exact starting point but i could find out. but they are a highly approachable agency, very interested in making the public happy.
You could start with the District Public affairs office in St. Louis. Get a name and get someone to poke around to find the right guy at the "Captain of the Port" office.
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212600 is a reply to message #212599] |
Fri, 28 June 2013 06:54 |
hertfordnc
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Follow up;
I did a little more poking around and I think I found the big show-stopper.
Barges are not inspected to carry passengers.
There's probably no getting around that. We have the safest passenger vessels on the planet for a reason.
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212601 is a reply to message #212600] |
Fri, 28 June 2013 07:29 |
jknezek
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| hertfordnc wrote on Fri, 28 June 2013 07:54 |
Follow up;
I did a little more poking around and I think I found the big show-stopper.
Barges are not inspected to carry passengers.
There's probably no getting around that. We have the safest passenger vessels on the planet for a reason.
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No kidding. It's not possible. I know a couple of you guys disputed that, but it can't be done on a barge. That's why all these barge operations, and there were 4 or 5, all folded up at once. Keep looking if you want, or you can just trust me that Alex Sirrum looked into it, and I looked into it, and it can't be done.
On the other hand, if you can find a ferry willing to do it, knock yourself out. But you won't have the views, the ferry would have to give up it's scheduled route, the coast guard would have to be consulted, and you'd still not have hookups while on board.
RV camping on a river? Not possible...
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] floating rally [message #212605 is a reply to message #212600] |
Fri, 28 June 2013 07:32 |
jknezek
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| hertfordnc wrote on Fri, 28 June 2013 07:54 |
Follow up;
I did a little more poking around and I think I found the big show-stopper.
Barges are not inspected to carry passengers.
There's probably no getting around that. We have the safest passenger vessels on the planet for a reason.
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No kidding. It's not possible. I know a couple of you guys disputed that, but it can't be done on a barge. That's why all these barge operations, and there were 4 or 5, all folded up at once. Keep looking if you want, or you can just trust me that Alex Sirrum looked into it, and I looked into it, and it can't be done.
On the other hand, if you can find a ferry willing to do it, knock yourself out. But you won't have the views, the ferry would have to give up it's scheduled route, the coast guard would have to be consulted, and you'd still not have hookups while on board.
RV camping on a river? Not possible...
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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