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| Generator Replacements available right now? [message #212120] |
Mon, 24 June 2013 20:44  |
Mike Teets
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I reported last year that my 6000w Onan is no longer producing 120v... more like 70-80 volt no matter what the RPM is. A few different suggestions that I have not tried.
This weekend we traveled into the air quality alert area of West Virginia to do white water rafting and the trip there and back without roof air was miserable for the rear occupants. This has just voted priority one by everyone in my family. My requirements are reliable roof air operation on the road, and reliable air when I return to the hot coach in a parking lot of some activity like cycling, rafting, sailing, etc. Our power requirements outside of air conditioning are easily supported by the 2 6v golf cart batteries for the weekend.
What is the latest on the Dometic units? I have read the Daily Pose and GMCnet postings but doesn't seem to be conclusions. The Onan starts right up and seems to run smoothly, smells like gas when running, but runs. Sounds and smells more like an old Ford 9n tractor than something you want to sleep in.
For a guy ready to pull the trigger this week, what are my reliable modern options?
Mike, GMCing since 2002
77 Palm Beach, 260, 403
Dublin, OH
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator Replacements available right now? [message #212122 is a reply to message #212120] |
Mon, 24 June 2013 20:52  |
Robin Hood
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Honestly? Replace the voltage rectifier, or try to find the source of the
problem. The engine itself runs, so that's not it. Check speed, make sure
it's turning over fast enough, then start looking at the electrical
generation side of things. From what I hear, the Voltage Rectifier likes to
die, but it can be replaced.
There aren't any "good" modern replacements. THe HOnda Ev6010s will work,
but won't slide out, they have to be put in place and stay there. They are
also out of production, out of warranty, no longer made or supported I
think.
Jim Bounds is experimenting with some smaller briefcase style generators
that will run ONE air conditioner of a high efficiency type. Here in Dixie
with our soupy air, I want to be able to run both at once, so it's looking
like Onan is the way I have to go. I've seen what JimB is working on when
he showed it at Dothan, but I believe he said he hasn'[t got the bugs
worked out yet.
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Mike Teets <teamteets@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I reported last year that my 6000w Onan is no longer producing 120v...
> more like 70-80 volt no matter what the RPM is. A few different
> suggestions that I have not tried.
>
> This weekend we traveled into the air quality alert area of West Virginia
> to do white water rafting and the trip there and back without roof air was
> miserable for the rear occupants. This has just voted priority one by
> everyone in my family. My requirements are reliable roof air operation on
> the road, and reliable air when I return to the hot coach in a parking lot
> of some activity like cycling, rafting, sailing, etc. Our power
> requirements outside of air conditioning are easily supported by the 2 6v
> golf cart batteries for the weekend.
>
> What is the latest on the Dometic units? I have read the Daily Pose and
> GMCnet postings but doesn't seem to be conclusions. The Onan starts right
> up and seems to run smoothly, smells like gas when running, but runs.
> Sounds and smells more like an old Ford 9n tractor than something you want
> to sleep in.
>
> For a guy ready to pull the trigger this week, what are my reliable modern
> options?
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> Mike
> 77 Palm Beach, 260, 403
> Dublin, OH
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2013 Subaru Outback "Top Flight"
1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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| Re: Generator Replacements available right now? [message #212123 is a reply to message #212120] |
Mon, 24 June 2013 20:58 |
lqqkatjon
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Mike, Hate to say this, but you might be the perfect guy to continue the testing on the dometic unit. Maybe we can get some conclusion on the long term viability of that generator. Like jimb said. You can buy two dometics to the price of one honda.
I think after this weekend i might be buying a new effecient a/c next year even though my original cool fine. I just am running into camping places where i am borrowing electricity, and the 100 foot extension cords will not power my a/c properly. The. I might be thinking of a dometic after that if they seem to not blow up right away.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator Replacements available right now? [message #212129 is a reply to message #212127] |
Mon, 24 June 2013 21:11 |
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ljdavick
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YouTube brothers.
Larry Davick
On Jun 24, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Robin Hood <loxley@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hah ! I wish! I don't have expertise, I'm just lucky, persistent, and have
> access to y'all. :) was it Mike that did the YouTube videos of the
> reupholstered of the Palm Beach? Those were good!
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> On Monday, June 24, 2013, Larry Davick wrote:
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>> I wonder if Robin could swap some Onan expertise for mikes upholstery
>> skills!
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>> Larry Davick
>> A mystery machine
>> Fremont, Ca
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> Jackson, MS
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> 1968 Pontiac Catalina "The Cheshire Cat"
> 1978 GMC Royale motorhome "Pinto Bean"
> 1977 GMC Palm Beach motorhome "Barn Queen"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator Replacements available right now? [message #212155 is a reply to message #212151] |
Tue, 25 June 2013 07:53 |
jknezek
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Or you can just chalk up the big dough and go for a new Onan. The coach is a 26', so a new Onan should fit and run a roof air or two just fine. It's just really expensive. But if you want something a) immediately, b) working c) with support d) good reputation, then a new Onan is probably your best bet.
The dometic is unproven, daisy chaining a bunch of little ones that JimB showed at Dothan is a) unproven and b) a little difficult to do yourself, the Honda is out of production and warranty, and your current Onan, which can most likely be fixed but probably needs to be regularly fixed, doesn't seem to meet your requirements.
I hate to say it, but that just leaves something like the Onan 5500 series. You can have it fast, reliable, or cheapish... pick 2... although i'm not sure reliable and cheapish is an option even if you don't care about fast...
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator Replacements available right now? [message #212156 is a reply to message #212151] |
Tue, 25 June 2013 07:59 |
tphipps
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Company in Fl has refurbished ev6010 for sale. Parts are readily available, just check eBay for tons of listings. They show up on Craig's List, just have to keep looking. Fit very well, without major modifications into 26 gen compartment. Will not fit 23'.
Many GMC owners have them. More would if they were available new. Floor mount schematics are in bdub's site.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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| Re: Generator Replacements available right now? [message #212173 is a reply to message #212120] |
Tue, 25 June 2013 10:16 |
jhb1
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| Mike Teets wrote on Mon, 24 June 2013 21:44 |
I reported last year that my 6000w Onan is no longer producing 120v... more like 70-80 volt no matter what the RPM is. A few different suggestions that I have not tried.
This weekend we traveled into the air quality alert area of West Virginia to do white water rafting and the trip there and back without roof air was miserable for the rear occupants. This has just voted priority one by everyone in my family. My requirements are reliable roof air operation on the road, and reliable air when I return to the hot coach in a parking lot of some activity like cycling, rafting, sailing, etc. Our power requirements outside of air conditioning are easily supported by the 2 6v golf cart batteries for the weekend.
What is the latest on the Dometic units? I have read the Daily Pose and GMCnet postings but doesn't seem to be conclusions. The Onan starts right up and seems to run smoothly, smells like gas when running, but runs. Sounds and smells more like an old Ford 9n tractor than something you want to sleep in.
For a guy ready to pull the trigger this week, what are my reliable modern options?
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Put a Honda EV6010/4010 gen in if you can find one I did last year best thing I have done after spending hundreds to get the troll to be reliable. I used a EV 4010 as I only have one roof air, starts at the push of the button doesn't shake smoke or stink, don't make new ones but you should be able to find a good used one. The one I found had less than 50 hours on it.
HTH
John H. Bell
77 Royale; QuadBag,Manny OneTon,Honda EV4010, FITech
Montreal Qc.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator Replacements available right now? [message #212178 is a reply to message #212173] |
Tue, 25 June 2013 11:10 |
Guy Lopes
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I don't mean to hijack this thread, hopefully add to the discussion.
Does anyone know if the Honda EV 4010 will fit into a 23' Onan 4k
compartment?
Guy in Sacramento
76 Birchaven
>Hi
>Put a Honda EV6010/4010 gen in if you can find one I did last year best
thing I have done after spending hundreds to get the troll to be reliable. I
used a EV 4010 as I >only have one roof air, starts at the push of the
button doesn't shake smoke or stink, don't make new ones but you should be
able to find a good used one. The one I >found had less than 50 hours on it.
>HTH
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>77 Royale
>Montreal Qc.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator Replacements available right now? [message #212181 is a reply to message #212178] |
Tue, 25 June 2013 11:27 |
jhb1
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The quick answer is no unless you want to do major surgery on the generator compartment
| Guy Lopes wrote on Tue, 25 June 2013 12:10 |
I don't mean to hijack this thread, hopefully add to the discussion.
Does anyone know if the Honda EV 4010 will fit into a 23' Onan 4k
compartment?
Guy in Sacramento
76 Birchaven
>Hi
>Put a Honda EV6010/4010 gen in if you can find one I did last year best
thing I have done after spending hundreds to get the troll to be reliable. I
used a EV 4010 as I >only have one roof air, starts at the push of the
button doesn't shake smoke or stink, don't make new ones but you should be
able to find a good used one. The one I >found had less than 50 hours on it.
>HTH
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>John H. Bell
>77 Royale
>Montreal Qc.
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Montreal Qc.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator Replacements available right now? [message #212182 is a reply to message #212178] |
Tue, 25 June 2013 11:27 |
tphipps
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Bad short answer, neither Honda's will fit in the 23' compartment. They are almost the very same size, only difference between the two is the generator/investor section. The ev4010 is actually slightly larger by nominal amounts.
For the 23', you might get in touch with Ken Henderson. He dis-assembled a standard design genset and fitted it into the 23 compartment. He did have trouble getting fuel flow correct. Not for the faint of heart, but a viable solution.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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| Re: [GMCnet] Generator Replacements available right now? [message #212188 is a reply to message #212182] |
Tue, 25 June 2013 12:34 |
Guy Lopes
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Ken and I emailed about his various generator attempt. He said that so far
he is happy with his installation. Off the top of my head I don't remember
the brand that he used, but I believe that it was at least a 4k watt. He did
a real clean installation. Looks good.
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Bad short answer, neither Honda's will fit in the 23' compartment. They
are almost the very same size, only difference between the two is the
generator/investor section. The ev4010 is actually slightly larger by
nominal amounts.
For the 23', you might get in touch with Ken Henderson. He dis-assembled a
standard design genset and fitted it into the 23 compartment. He did have
trouble getting fuel flow correct. Not for the faint of heart, but a viable
solution.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: Generator Replacements available right now? [message #212190 is a reply to message #212120] |
Tue, 25 June 2013 12:56 |
rcjordan
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>What is the latest on the Dometic units? I have read the Daily Pose and GMCnet postings but doesn't seem to be conclusions.
I missed your question about the Dometics, Mike.
Everything seems to be going well enough. About the only changes since my pages (that I'm aware of):
- Somewhere back in the Pose Jim mentioned that when the gen got hot it needed an external fuel pump in order to pull from the tanks.
- We changed the AC to a new heat pump. The gen was doing OK but the older AC moved from the Royale decided to give up the ghost --we don't think it was related to the genset, but it was a change. The Pinguine seems to be doing fine.
- Jim has installed remote start/choke and fuel tank lines.
- It seemed to be flooding this morning when he drove the coach. That's currently on the to-do list.
In short, this setup looks good but hasn't been extensively field tested.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
Elizabeth City, NC
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