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Thu, 13 June 2013 20:00 |
Keith V
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Upper A-Arm Bushings that is
I got the A-Arm off, got the old bushings out.
those suckers are not going in!
I was hoping to use my vice, but thats not working, not enough pressure, and yes the ears are supported
Any ideas?
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
ask me about MicroLevel
Cell, 763-732-3419
My427v8@hotmail.com
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Re: may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211021 is a reply to message #211019] |
Thu, 13 June 2013 20:09 |
Dennis S
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Keith V wrote on Thu, 13 June 2013 20:00 | Upper A-Arm Bushings that is
I got the A-Arm off, got the old bushings out.
those suckers are not going in!
I was hoping to use my vice, but thats not working, not enough pressure, and yes the ears are supported
Any ideas?
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Keith
A few hours in the freezer will shrink them slightly.
Dennis
Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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Re: may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211023 is a reply to message #211019] |
Thu, 13 June 2013 20:33 |
BVaughn
Messages: 2 Registered: April 2013 Location: Huntsville, Alabama
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Long, long ago I used to put them in with a big a$$ hammer and a socket that fit over the rubber but rested on the metal surround. Support the arm on your vise if its on a big table and bolted down well. Alternatively, you can use a press...
Bill Vaughn
Huntsville, Alabama
Still Looking for the Right One
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Re: may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211028 is a reply to message #211019] |
Thu, 13 June 2013 21:44 |
lqqkatjon
Messages: 2324 Registered: October 2010 Location: St. Cloud, MN
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I am busy as usual. But if you are in desperate need of a press, i might be able to meet you in clearwater at our shop. Will be around home, but trying to fit some things in this weekend.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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Re: may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211031 is a reply to message #211019] |
Thu, 13 June 2013 22:13 |
midlf
Messages: 2212 Registered: July 2007 Location: SE Wisc. (Palmyra)
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Keith V wrote on Thu, 13 June 2013 20:00 | Upper A-Arm Bushings that is
I got the A-Arm off, got the old bushings out.
those suckers are not going in!
I was hoping to use my vice, but thats not working, not enough pressure, and yes the ears are supported
Any ideas?
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I used sockets, large washers, nuts and threaded rod (IIRC 1/2"). I used lots of moly grease on the threaded rod. I cut up steel pipe couplings to use as reinforcements for the ears. Worm hose clamps were used to keep the ear reinforcements in place during the push. Fresh nuts were used for each bushing push.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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Re: [GMCnet] may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211091 is a reply to message #211021] |
Fri, 14 June 2013 07:26 |
Jp Benson
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I used threaded rod with some big washers and nuts on each end? Sometimes, if they are really tight, put as much tension in the rod as you can and then wait. The stress can relieve itself over time then the nuts can be re-tightened. This takes awhile but might work. This technique works well when inserting tight fitting rubber grommets due to the creepy nature of rubber.
JP
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>Keith V wrote on Thu, 13 June 2013 20:00
>> Upper A-Arm Bushings that is
>>
>> I got the A-Arm off, got the old bushings out.
>> those suckers are not going in!
>>
>> I was hoping to use my vice, but thats not working, not enough pressure, and yes the ears are supported
>>
>> Any ideas?
>
>
>Keith
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>A few hours in the freezer will shrink them slightly.
>
>Dennis
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>73 Painted Desert 230
>Germantown, TN
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Re: [GMCnet] may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211093 is a reply to message #211019] |
Thu, 13 June 2013 21:05 |
sgltrac
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Keith,
If you do not have access to an H press you might bring the arms and bushings to any mechanical shop and throw some beer money at them to press them in ( I assume you are talking about the bushings with steel outer sleeve) I cut part of a front wheel bearing race to support the ears while pushing mine in. A press makes it much mo easia.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Upper A-Arm Bushings that is
>
> I got the A-Arm off, got the old bushings out.
> those suckers are not going in!
>
> I was hoping to use my vice, but thats not working, not enough pressure, and yes the ears are supported
>
> Any ideas?
> --
> Keith
> 69 Vette
> 29 Dodge
> 75 Royale GMC
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Seattle, Wa.
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Re: [GMCnet] may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211099 is a reply to message #211019] |
Thu, 13 June 2013 22:23 |
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USAussie
Messages: 15912 Registered: July 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Keith,
See Maintenance Manual X-7525 / Section - 3 Front Suspension and Final Drive / Page 3A -16 / Figure 20-Installing Upper Control Arm
Bushing
As you can see it takes a few special tools which more than likely you don't have, however, here's a set of drawings that you can
make the tools to R&R upper and lower bushings:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6282-front-control-arm-bushing-tools.html
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS NOT TO DEFORM THE PARALLEL SURFACES THAT THE BUSHING PRESSES INTO. If you do that the bushings won't be
retained properly and the steel bushing shell will wind up rotating in the arm and the arm / steel shell will wear quickly and
you'll wind up with play in the upper control arms. I know this because a PO screwed up my driver side upper control arm. Chuck Boyd
found it the first time I visited him in Knoxville. In Figure 4 you will see Spacer J-21474-4 that is what keeps the arms parallel.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith V
Upper A-Arm Bushings that is
I got the A-Arm off, got the old bushings out.
those suckers are not going in!
I was hoping to use my vice, but thats not working, not enough pressure, and yes the ears are supported
Any ideas?
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Keith
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: [GMCnet] may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211103 is a reply to message #211019] |
Fri, 14 June 2013 08:58 |
Steven Ferguson
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Keith,
Using a vice will work if you have patience. If you have crumpled any
part of the bushing, it will never install and you'll have to get another
one. Once you apply pressure, take a brass hammer and start rapping on the
arm around the bushing hole. Apply more pressure, continue rapping. (Do
not allow the bushing sleeve to cock, you will ruin it.) This is a slow
process but it works.
Steve F
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Upper A-Arm Bushings that is
>
> I got the A-Arm off, got the old bushings out.
> those suckers are not going in!
>
> I was hoping to use my vice, but thats not working, not enough pressure,
> and yes the ears are supported
>
> Any ideas?
> --
> Keith
> 69 Vette
> 29 Dodge
> 75 Royale GMC
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Re: [GMCnet] may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211109 is a reply to message #211019] |
Fri, 14 June 2013 09:01 |
Steven Ferguson
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Also, if the bushing skews slightly in the hole, you can rap on the
backside of the ear next to the hole and this sometimes helps guide the
bushing, Keep squeezing with the vice after you see movement.
Steve F.
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Upper A-Arm Bushings that is
>
> I got the A-Arm off, got the old bushings out.
> those suckers are not going in!
>
> I was hoping to use my vice, but thats not working, not enough pressure,
> and yes the ears are supported
>
> Any ideas?
> --
> Keith
> 69 Vette
> 29 Dodge
> 75 Royale GMC
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Re: [GMCnet] may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211129 is a reply to message #211091] |
Sat, 15 June 2013 06:25 |
Steven Ferguson
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Rapping the area around the bushing hole will accomplish the same thing
only much quicker.
Steve F.
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Jp Benson <chocomo99@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I used threaded rod with some big washers and nuts on each end?
> Sometimes, if they are really tight, put as much tension in the rod as you
> can and then wait. The stress can relieve itself over time then the nuts
> can be re-tightened. This takes awhile but might work. This technique
> works well when inserting tight fitting rubber grommets due to the creepy
> nature of rubber.
>
> JP
>
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> >________________________________
> > From: Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com>
> >To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> >Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:09 PM
> >Subject: Re: [GMCnet] may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings...
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> >Keith V wrote on Thu, 13 June 2013 20:00
> >> Upper A-Arm Bushings that is
> >>
> >> I got the A-Arm off, got the old bushings out.
> >> those suckers are not going in!
> >>
> >> I was hoping to use my vice, but thats not working, not enough
> pressure, and yes the ears are supported
> >>
> >> Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >A few hours in the freezer will shrink them slightly.
> >
> >Dennis
> >
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> >Dennis S
> >73 Painted Desert 230
> >Germantown, TN
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Re: [GMCnet] may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211130 is a reply to message #211093] |
Sat, 15 June 2013 06:27 |
Steven Ferguson
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Todd,
Next time, if there is a next time, just cut off a piece of exhaust pipe
or get one from a local shop. Then split it. I've even tack welded them
in and left them. The need for the spacer to be the correct width is
critical so just measure the distance between the ears before removing the
old bushing.
Steve F.
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Todd Sullivan <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
> Keith,
>
> If you do not have access to an H press you might bring the arms and
> bushings to any mechanical shop and throw some beer money at them to press
> them in ( I assume you are talking about the bushings with steel outer
> sleeve) I cut part of a front wheel bearing race to support the ears while
> pushing mine in. A press makes it much mo easia.
>
> Todd Sullivan
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> Seattle
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Upper A-Arm Bushings that is
> >
> > I got the A-Arm off, got the old bushings out.
> > those suckers are not going in!
> >
> > I was hoping to use my vice, but thats not working, not enough pressure,
> and yes the ears are supported
> >
> > Any ideas?
> > --
> > Keith
> > 69 Vette
> > 29 Dodge
> > 75 Royale GMC
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Re: [GMCnet] may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211137 is a reply to message #211130] |
Sat, 15 June 2013 08:10 |
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Steve,
I was down at the Coop when I replaced the upper bushings in Double Trouble. Including the one that ChuckB had found loose in the
driver side arm. I watched one of Jim's mechanic (no longer in Jim's employ) screw around for over an hour removing the bushings out
of someone else's coach using an impact hammer. I told him that he could push them out using the press they had. He disagreed and
kept on messing with the impact wrench. He finally got them all out and was using a vise to push them back in which was mounted on
the work bench in front of a 20 ton press. I suggested he use the press. He said "I've done this a bunch of times before." He
continued and all of a sudden I heard this CRAAACCCCKKK - THUD!! The moveable vice jaw broke off and hit the floor along with the
arm. He then moved over to the press. It was a Harbor Freight vise though. ;-)
When it came time to do mine he got the impact hammer out and I told him to put it away. I took a new bushing and went to see the
guy that Jim uses for exhaust work. I had him take a piece of exhaust pipe that was close to the OD of the flanged end of the
bushing and expand it until the bushing just cleared the flange. It was about 1" tall. I then had him do the same thing for the
small end of the bushing. Then I had him make a "smile" that fit the OD of the middle of he bushing that was the same height as the
distance between the two vertical surfaces that the bushing goes through.
When I got back to Jim's shop it took us less than 20 minutes to R&R all four of the bushings. The bushing that was loose we had to
weld as the bores in the control arm were worn. We migged 3/8" - cooled the bushing with a wet rag - migged 3/8" - cooled the
bushing with a wet rag - migged 3/8" and so on. I think we wound up with 6 "stitches" holding the bushing in the arm. Worked fine
until I gave them to Dave Lenzi for a pair of his engineered upper control arms.
The tools I made were good for one installation as by the time we were done the exhaust pipe rings were messed up.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Ferguson
Todd,
Next time, if there is a next time, just cut off a piece of exhaust pipe
or get one from a local shop. Then split it. I've even tack welded them
in and left them. The need for the spacer to be the correct width is
critical so just measure the distance between the ears before removing the
old bushing.
Steve F.
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Todd Sullivan <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
> Keith,
>
> If you do not have access to an H press you might bring the arms and
> bushings to any mechanical shop and throw some beer money at them to press
> them in ( I assume you are talking about the bushings with steel outer
> sleeve) I cut part of a front wheel bearing race to support the ears while
> pushing mine in. A press makes it much mo easia.
>
> Todd Sullivan
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> Seattle
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Upper A-Arm Bushings that is
> >
> > I got the A-Arm off, got the old bushings out.
> > those suckers are not going in!
> >
> > I was hoping to use my vice, but thats not working, not enough pressure,
> and yes the ears are supported
> >
> > Any ideas?
> > --
> > Keith
> > 69 Vette
> > 29 Dodge
> > 75 Royale GMC
> > _______________________________________________
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: [GMCnet] may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211235 is a reply to message #211137] |
Sun, 16 June 2013 08:38 |
Steven Ferguson
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Rob,
I got pretty good, and quick doing it that way. I have a chisel bit for
my air wrench that has a rounded tip to prevent any scarring of the A arm
surface. I can't take credit for the method though. Fields alignment did
the front ends on all my hot rods and classics over the years and they used
that method. They'd have those bushings out in New York minute.
Penetrating oil helps.
Steve F.
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> Steve,
>
> I was down at the Coop when I replaced the upper bushings in Double
> Trouble. Including the one that ChuckB had found loose in the
> driver side arm. I watched one of Jim's mechanic (no longer in Jim's
> employ) screw around for over an hour removing the bushings out
> of someone else's coach using an impact hammer. I told him that he could
> push them out using the press they had. He disagreed and
> kept on messing with the impact wrench. He finally got them all out and
> was using a vise to push them back in which was mounted on
> the work bench in front of a 20 ton press. I suggested he use the press.
> He said "I've done this a bunch of times before." He
> continued and all of a sudden I heard this CRAAACCCCKKK - THUD!! The
> moveable vice jaw broke off and hit the floor along with the
> arm. He then moved over to the press. It was a Harbor Freight vise though.
> ;-)
>
> When it came time to do mine he got the impact hammer out and I told him
> to put it away. I took a new bushing and went to see the
> guy that Jim uses for exhaust work. I had him take a piece of exhaust pipe
> that was close to the OD of the flanged end of the
> bushing and expand it until the bushing just cleared the flange. It was
> about 1" tall. I then had him do the same thing for the
> small end of the bushing. Then I had him make a "smile" that fit the OD of
> the middle of he bushing that was the same height as the
> distance between the two vertical surfaces that the bushing goes through.
>
> When I got back to Jim's shop it took us less than 20 minutes to R&R all
> four of the bushings. The bushing that was loose we had to
> weld as the bores in the control arm were worn. We migged 3/8" - cooled
> the bushing with a wet rag - migged 3/8" - cooled the
> bushing with a wet rag - migged 3/8" and so on. I think we wound up with 6
> "stitches" holding the bushing in the arm. Worked fine
> until I gave them to Dave Lenzi for a pair of his engineered upper control
> arms.
>
> The tools I made were good for one installation as by the time we were
> done the exhaust pipe rings were messed up.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Ferguson
>
> Todd,
> Next time, if there is a next time, just cut off a piece of exhaust pipe
> or get one from a local shop. Then split it. I've even tack welded them
> in and left them. The need for the spacer to be the correct width is
> critical so just measure the distance between the ears before removing the
> old bushing.
> Steve F.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Todd Sullivan <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Keith,
> >
> > If you do not have access to an H press you might bring the arms and
> > bushings to any mechanical shop and throw some beer money at them to
> press
> > them in ( I assume you are talking about the bushings with steel outer
> > sleeve) I cut part of a front wheel bearing race to support the ears
> while
> > pushing mine in. A press makes it much mo easia.
> >
> > Todd Sullivan
> >
> > Sully
> > 77 royale
> > Seattle
> >
> > On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Upper A-Arm Bushings that is
> > >
> > > I got the A-Arm off, got the old bushings out.
> > > those suckers are not going in!
> > >
> > > I was hoping to use my vice, but thats not working, not enough
> pressure,
> > and yes the ears are supported
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > > --
> > > Keith
> > > 69 Vette
> > > 29 Dodge
> > > 75 Royale GMC
> > > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Take care,
> Steve
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Re: [GMCnet] may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings... [message #211614 is a reply to message #211463] |
Wed, 19 June 2013 09:27 |
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Don't know about the ones that the Curtis's sell but I've had the ones that Dave Lenzi sells on Double Trouble for two years and I
run five degrees caster, zero degrees camber, and 0 toe in / out.
Double Trouble goes down the road straight as a die in the middle lane of a three lane highway.
Regards,
Rob
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry Davick
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:36 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] may have bit off more than I can chew, Bushings...
Anyone have any insight into the Curtis's new Upper A-Arm that Jim K sells? It's touted to add up to 6 degrees of caster. Not much
of a description, no picture, no price yet.
<http://appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/1410>
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, CA
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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