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Mon, 10 June 2013 08:23  |
k2gkk
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The following are comments from another group
(old radio equipment) with a discussion I believe
applies to the GMC M/H community.
As OUR stuff keeps getting older, it is mandatory
that information be shared!
I have redacted identification of individuals.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ ~ TZE166V101966 ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ '76 ex-Palm Beach ~ ~ ~
~~ k2gkk + hotmail dot com ~~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
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Subject: Re: Members requesting documents.
John,
I have always taken the view that the best way to preserve historic
information is to get it distributed as widely as possible - not try and
lock it away in archives or databases with heavily restricted access.
And that means giving it away freely. That was the policy that I
instituted with the vmars archive - mind you not without considerable
opposition from certain vmars committee members. Since I was the prime
contributor of scanned documents (and thus doing 99% of the work) they
didn't really have much of an argument against it in the end, and so far
that policy has remained in place.
I'm afraid that the wrong sort of people are currently in charge of
this kind of resource. And I do recall warning you (and zzzz zzzzzz)
at the time about zzzzz zzzz and the way he behaves! There
are two schools of thought in this field: we either co-operate
together and share everything for our common good, and for the purpose
of discovering and preserving our history...........or we treat it as
some sort of battleground where everyone competes against everyone else
for control of whatever they can lay their hands on. Its a shame that
the latter view has prevailed, not just in the yyyyyyyy group, but also in
what now calls itself "yyyyyy".
And returning to the complaint in question, in /any/ group, the vast
majority will not contribute visibly. Some will not contribute because
they do not feel they can say anything of value. Some just find typing
hard work!
For most of the life of yyyyyy I was the "key contributor" - very little
of what now exists in yyyyyy would be there if it had not been for my
input. The one area I did not work on was the website, which was down
to zzzz zzzz - another of the key contributors. I did not mind that I
was making a disproportionate contribution because I figured that the
best way to put vintage electronics "on the map" was to enable other
people to do whatever they were doing better. In other words, if
providing a free manual for an AR-88D meant that someone who owned only
an AR-88D was persuaded to keep it and restore it - rather than leave it
to rot or worse, take it down the tip - then that was worthwhile in
itself. The interest in vintage electronics since I started in 1992
has grown like mad - not all of it healthy it has to be admitted - but
in general I am pleased with the results.
So, I suggest that you regard your contribution of documents to that
group as a worthwhile investment in vintage electronics. You may not
every see or understand the exact benefit - but be sure that there will
be one.
Richard
On 09/06/2013 23:37, z. zzzzzzzz wrote:
This was received from a very prominent person in the vintage Mil radio
circles.
I believe it is very typical of those running the Group in question. IMO,
the fault is with the Group Owner and (maybe) Moderator(s), and his
IDIOTIC policies, not the members in question.
I would suggest anyone considering providing any information to that
Group, as a public service, carefully consider whether it will, in fact,
be readily available. I believe that archive, WHICH I HELPED FOUND, and
still has hundreds of my documents and other material, is NOT in the
hobby's interest.
YMMV,
-John
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| Re: [GMCnet] Members requesting documents. [message #210589 is a reply to message #210562] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 13:58  |
Jp Benson
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Thomas Edison put himself out of the Gramaphone business by insisting on control of the format and content of his disks. Sometimes even very smart folks aren't able to see the forest.
JP
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> From: D C _Mac_ Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
>To: GMC Mail List <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:23 AM
>Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Members requesting documents.
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>The following are comments from another group
>
>(old radio equipment) with a discussion I believe
>
>applies to the GMC M/H community.
>
>
>
>As OUR stuff keeps getting older, it is mandatory
>
>that information be shared!
>
>
>
>I have redacted identification of individuals.
>
>
>~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
>~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
>~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
>~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
>~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
>~ ~ ~ ~ TZE166V101966 ~ ~ ~ ~
>~ ~ ~ '76 ex-Palm Beach ~ ~ ~
>~~ k2gkk + hotmail dot com ~~
>~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
>~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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>---- Original messages ----
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>Subject: Re: Members requesting documents.
>
>
>John,
>
>I have always taken the view that the best way to preserve historic
>information is to get it distributed as widely as possible - not try and
>lock it away in archives or databases with heavily restricted access.
>And that means giving it away freely. That was the policy that I
>instituted with the vmars archive - mind you not without considerable
>opposition from certain vmars committee members. Since I was the prime
>contributor of scanned documents (and thus doing 99% of the work) they
>didn't really have much of an argument against it in the end, and so far
>that policy has remained in place.
>
>I'm afraid that the wrong sort of people are currently in charge of
>this kind of resource. And I do recall warning you (and zzzz zzzzzz)
>
>at the time about zzzzz zzzz and the way he behaves! There
>are two schools of thought in this field: we either co-operate
>together and share everything for our common good, and for the purpose
>of discovering and preserving our history...........or we treat it as
>some sort of battleground where everyone competes against everyone else
>for control of whatever they can lay their hands on. Its a shame that
>the latter view has prevailed, not just in the yyyyyyyy group, but also in
>what now calls itself "yyyyyy".
>
>And returning to the complaint in question, in /any/ group, the vast
>majority will not contribute visibly. Some will not contribute because
>they do not feel they can say anything of value. Some just find typing
>hard work!
>
>For most of the life of yyyyyy I was the "key contributor" - very little
>of what now exists in yyyyyy would be there if it had not been for my
>input. The one area I did not work on was the website, which was down
>to zzzz zzzz - another of the key contributors. I did not mind that I
>was making a disproportionate contribution because I figured that the
>best way to put vintage electronics "on the map" was to enable other
>people to do whatever they were doing better. In other words, if
>providing a free manual for an AR-88D meant that someone who owned only
>an AR-88D was persuaded to keep it and restore it - rather than leave it
>to rot or worse, take it down the tip - then that was worthwhile in
>itself. The interest in vintage electronics since I started in 1992
>has grown like mad - not all of it healthy it has to be admitted - but
>in general I am pleased with the results.
>
>So, I suggest that you regard your contribution of documents to that
>group as a worthwhile investment in vintage electronics. You may not
>every see or understand the exact benefit - but be sure that there will
>be one.
>
>Richard
>
>
>
>
>On 09/06/2013 23:37, z. zzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>This was received from a very prominent person in the vintage Mil radio
>circles.
>
>I believe it is very typical of those running the Group in question. IMO,
>the fault is with the Group Owner and (maybe) Moderator(s), and his
>IDIOTIC policies, not the members in question.
>
>I would suggest anyone considering providing any information to that
>Group, as a public service, carefully consider whether it will, in fact,
>be readily available. I believe that archive, WHICH I HELPED FOUND, and
>still has hundreds of my documents and other material, is NOT in the
>hobby's interest.
>
>
>YMMV,
>
>
>-John
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Members requesting documents. [message #210592 is a reply to message #210562] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 15:17 |
kerry pinkerton
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Let me first say that I am a member or GMCMI and plan on remaining so until I get out of the cult or die...whichever is first. Seriously, it's 30 bucks a year. Mouse nuts. It costs more than that to drive to the gas station in the coach.
That said, if anyone asked my opinion (which they haven't  ), I'd vote for providing the parts list and technical info to everyone. I'd be amazed if there are many members that join or don't join because of the availability of the parts list. However, it may well piss off some potential members who discover they have to become a member to get the info. In fact, there are a few members here that already fall into that category. It would be worth a hands up survey at Branson to the question, would you drop your membership if we made all the info public? I'd be surprised if there were more than a handful of folks who said yes.
I'd think that making it available to the community at large would be a living testament to their goal of: "...providing fellowship and technical information through continuous improvement of communications & conventions." and win them more members through goodwill.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Members requesting documents. [message #210604 is a reply to message #210562] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 17:01 |
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I did not read Mac's post as being specifically about GMCMI's parts list but just (yet another} plea to diversify the publishing of all the accumulated GMC tech data.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] Members requesting documents. [message #210618 is a reply to message #210606] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 17:43 |
James Hupy
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Some of us have been down this road before.Some several times... All that I
can control is my own actions. When I do a technology session, I always
offer it to all in attendance as well as include it any way possible to
reach as many in the GMC community as I can. I am a member of GMC
International, GMCWS, GMC 49ers, and GMC CASCADERS. I have done tech
sessions for all of them except the International. I post on this medium
daily and always try to give good solid technical advice when I can. In my
personal opinion we should share info and words of encouragement for
free..Some others don't. I am not about to whip a dead horse over this
subject. The opinions regarding information sharing are quite fixed in some
people's minds. I do not hold out much hope of it changing anytime soon. I
will continue to share and live my example. Y'all can do what you wish.
Jim Hupy (JBH PRODUCTS)
Salem, Or
78 Gmc Royale 403
On Jun 10, 2013 3:26 PM, "Kerry Pinkerton" <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com> wrote:
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> I'm not asking anything Jim. Just stating my opinion. Everyone has one.
> I understand about the givers and the takers but it's always going to be
> that way. I'm about as anti-entitlement as you will find.
>
> The point is that if WE (the global WE) are serious about promoting and
> growing the GMC community we should not pigeonhole information. Yeah,
> there will be some folks who never do anything but absorb info from this
> site and all others and never pay a dime, attend a rally, or contribute a
> single post. Probably in about the same percentage as the electorate (Not
> trying to start anything, it's just a metaphor... :d). Such is life. That
> doesn't mean I wouldn't stop and help change a tire of someone with the
> other guys bumper sticker on their car.
>
> I'm new here but I don't think by anyone's standard I have been a 'taker'.
> However, I'll tell you honestly that if I had found this site and it had
> been 'closed' and I had to join a bunch of groups and pay a bunch of even
> small fees up front before I had found out the level of knowledge and and
> had access to the information that was available I WOULD NOT BE HERE NOW.
>
> Yall can decide if that is a good or bad thing.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
> an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Members requesting documents. [message #210622 is a reply to message #210604] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 18:25 |
Mike Teets
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Sorry, a little academic but that is where I live...
The views of open network vs. closed club largely follow generational
breakdowns. Baby Boomers (born 1946 to 1960ish) tend to closely identify
with exclusive organizations of authority. In contrast, Gen-Xers (born
60ish to 1980), tend to be more individualistic but at the same time
volunteer at greater numbers than any other generation. Of course,
individuals often identify with generations that are not the one they were
born into.
The effects of these changed perceptions are becoming evident as the
gen-xers come into positions of power in government and academics. Open
Access (OA) publishing is growing at an accelerating rate and is projected
to increase to the primary mechanism of publishing in academics. The US
NSF and 40 other international funding bodies now require OA publishing to
receive federal grant funds. This graphic shows that projection well
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Bjorkspring.png from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access
Beyond OA, there is a complimentary movement around archiving in a
networked environment. The leading example is the Stanford initiated
LOCKSS project... or Lots Of Copies Keeps Stuff Safe. It is similar in
motivation to what many above are suggesting. Which is safer in the long
run: A single copy of a document controlled by any individual or
institution; or Many copies stored in many web accessible locations.
Statistically, the latter is far more secure. See http://www.lockss.org/
So the GMC clubs are not academics or government, but the expectations of
the general population are being formed by this group's policy and
practice. Every organization that publishes is afraid of the Tragedy of the
Commons. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons After
some soul searching, many organizations find that their value was not in
restricted access to publications but instead on coordinating the community
that creates greater community good.
Given the high volunteer spirit of Gen-Xers, and expectations of openness
of information, I believe it is inevitable that surviving clubs of all
types will be the ones that make this transition. I for one will continue
to post information in the most accessible places possible with the hope
that they receive the greatest use. I would be more inclined to donate to
a organization with an open publications policy.
Mike
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:01 PM, RC Jordan <rc@rcjordan.com> wrote:
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> I did not read Mac's post as being specifically about GMCMI's parts list
> but just (yet another} plea to diversify the publishing of all the
> accumulated GMC tech data.
> --
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> 76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] Members requesting documents. [message #210623 is a reply to message #210618] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 18:38 |
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everything boils down to haves and have nots. haves like to think have nots are antihaves. have nots like to think they
are haves on the way from have nots. Haves like to think that have nots are want mores and want mores are haves that
do not want to help have nots because they want more. We all want more and have nots want less than haves so help the have
nots become haves and we can all be want mores together. mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach
On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:43 PM, James Hupy wrote:
> Some of us have been down this road before.Some several times... All that I
> can control is my own actions. When I do a technology session, I always
> offer it to all in attendance as well as include it any way possible to
> reach as many in the GMC community as I can. I am a member of GMC
> International, GMCWS, GMC 49ers, and GMC CASCADERS. I have done tech
> sessions for all of them except the International. I post on this medium
> daily and always try to give good solid technical advice when I can. In my
> personal opinion we should share info and words of encouragement for
> free..Some others don't. I am not about to whip a dead horse over this
> subject. The opinions regarding information sharing are quite fixed in some
> people's minds. I do not hold out much hope of it changing anytime soon. I
> will continue to share and live my example. Y'all can do what you wish.
> Jim Hupy (JBH PRODUCTS)
> Salem, Or
> 78 Gmc Royale 403
> On Jun 10, 2013 3:26 PM, "Kerry Pinkerton" <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'm not asking anything Jim. Just stating my opinion. Everyone has one.
>> I understand about the givers and the takers but it's always going to be
>> that way. I'm about as anti-entitlement as you will find.
>>
>> The point is that if WE (the global WE) are serious about promoting and
>> growing the GMC community we should not pigeonhole information. Yeah,
>> there will be some folks who never do anything but absorb info from this
>> site and all others and never pay a dime, attend a rally, or contribute a
>> single post. Probably in about the same percentage as the electorate (Not
>> trying to start anything, it's just a metaphor... :d). Such is life. That
>> doesn't mean I wouldn't stop and help change a tire of someone with the
>> other guys bumper sticker on their car.
>>
>> I'm new here but I don't think by anyone's standard I have been a 'taker'.
>> However, I'll tell you honestly that if I had found this site and it had
>> been 'closed' and I had to join a bunch of groups and pay a bunch of even
>> small fees up front before I had found out the level of knowledge and and
>> had access to the information that was available I WOULD NOT BE HERE NOW.
>>
>> Yall can decide if that is a good or bad thing.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
>> --
>> Kerry Pinkerton
>>
>> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>>
>> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
>> an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Members requesting documents. [message #210625 is a reply to message #210606] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 18:55 |
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What i cant help but notice is that many of the very passionate people here seem to change sides of the fence depending on the topic being discussed. I find it quite comical at times.
One example is that most of us agree upon is that the future of the GMCMH depends on an active group of owners. Most of us are aware that the registry only knows the wherabouts of about 50% of the coaches. This is the result of several things, one of them being that there are many GMCMH owners that are not active members of ANY group, club, site, etc. The unknown coaches may be sitting idle, rotting away because the owners are not aware of all the great sources of parts, service, and help that is available. Why is this happening? We can only speculate as to the many possible reasons, but as Kerry indirectly mentioned, if the info is not easily available to view for free, the majority of people will give up looking. It is only those of us already in the know who understand the value of having the available documentIon because we have already seen or used most of it. We are willing to pay to keep something because we have already seen its value.
this same documentation if free to everyone might encourage more owners to rescue, resurrect, or continue using an otherwise unrepairable old coach?
I have paid for documentation over the years that wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. With that in mind, i am always hesitant to pay for something i cannot view beforehand.
O
Les Burt
Montreal
On 2013-06-10, at 6:26 PM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@MCHSI.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not asking anything Jim. Just stating my opinion. Everyone has one. I understand about the givers and the takers but it's always going to be that way. I'm about as anti-entitlement as you will find.
>
> The point is that if WE (the global WE) are serious about promoting and growing the GMC community we should not pigeonhole information. Yeah, there will be some folks who never do anything but absorb info from this site and all others and never pay a dime, attend a rally, or contribute a single post. Probably in about the same percentage as the electorate (Not trying to start anything, it's just a metaphor... :d). Such is life. That doesn't mean I wouldn't stop and help change a tire of someone with the other guys bumper sticker on their car.
>
> I'm new here but I don't think by anyone's standard I have been a 'taker'. However, I'll tell you honestly that if I had found this site and it had been 'closed' and I had to join a bunch of groups and pay a bunch of even small fees up front before I had found out the level of knowledge and and had access to the information that was available I WOULD NOT BE HERE NOW.
>
> Yall can decide if that is a good or bad thing.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Members requesting documents. [message #210631 is a reply to message #210623] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 21:12 |
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Ouch - that hurt!
Larry Davick
On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Mickey Space Ship Shuttle <mickeysss@me.com> wrote:
> everything boils down to haves and have nots. haves like to think have nots are antihaves. have nots like to think they
>
> are haves on the way from have nots. Haves like to think that have nots are want mores and want mores are haves that
>
> do not want to help have nots because they want more. We all want more and have nots want less than haves so help the have
>
> nots become haves and we can all be want mores together. mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:43 PM, James Hupy wrote:
>
>> Some of us have been down this road before.Some several times... All that I
>> can control is my own actions. When I do a technology session, I always
>> offer it to all in attendance as well as include it any way possible to
>> reach as many in the GMC community as I can. I am a member of GMC
>> International, GMCWS, GMC 49ers, and GMC CASCADERS. I have done tech
>> sessions for all of them except the International. I post on this medium
>> daily and always try to give good solid technical advice when I can. In my
>> personal opinion we should share info and words of encouragement for
>> free..Some others don't. I am not about to whip a dead horse over this
>> subject. The opinions regarding information sharing are quite fixed in some
>> people's minds. I do not hold out much hope of it changing anytime soon. I
>> will continue to share and live my example. Y'all can do what you wish.
>> Jim Hupy (JBH PRODUCTS)
>> Salem, Or
>> 78 Gmc Royale 403
>> On Jun 10, 2013 3:26 PM, "Kerry Pinkerton" <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not asking anything Jim. Just stating my opinion. Everyone has one.
>>> I understand about the givers and the takers but it's always going to be
>>> that way. I'm about as anti-entitlement as you will find.
>>>
>>> The point is that if WE (the global WE) are serious about promoting and
>>> growing the GMC community we should not pigeonhole information. Yeah,
>>> there will be some folks who never do anything but absorb info from this
>>> site and all others and never pay a dime, attend a rally, or contribute a
>>> single post. Probably in about the same percentage as the electorate (Not
>>> trying to start anything, it's just a metaphor... :d). Such is life. That
>>> doesn't mean I wouldn't stop and help change a tire of someone with the
>>> other guys bumper sticker on their car.
>>>
>>> I'm new here but I don't think by anyone's standard I have been a 'taker'.
>>> However, I'll tell you honestly that if I had found this site and it had
>>> been 'closed' and I had to join a bunch of groups and pay a bunch of even
>>> small fees up front before I had found out the level of knowledge and and
>>> had access to the information that was available I WOULD NOT BE HERE NOW.
>>>
>>> Yall can decide if that is a good or bad thing.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
>>> --
>>> Kerry Pinkerton
>>>
>>> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>>>
>>> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
>>> an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Members requesting documents. [message #210632 is a reply to message #210623] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 21:25 |
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For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.
Nelson Mandela
Looks like NM is taking the big gmc in the sky soon, happy trails :-)
mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach.
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On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Mickey Space Ship Shuttle wrote:
> everything boils down to haves and have nots. haves like to think have nots are antihaves. have nots like to think they
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> are haves on the way from have nots. Haves like to think that have nots are want mores and want mores are haves that
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> do not want to help have nots because they want more. We all want more and have nots want less than haves so help the have
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> nots become haves and we can all be want mores together. mickey anaheim ca. 77 palm beach
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> On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:43 PM, James Hupy wrote:
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>> Some of us have been down this road before.Some several times... All that I
>> can control is my own actions. When I do a technology session, I always
>> offer it to all in attendance as well as include it any way possible to
>> reach as many in the GMC community as I can. I am a member of GMC
>> International, GMCWS, GMC 49ers, and GMC CASCADERS. I have done tech
>> sessions for all of them except the International. I post on this medium
>> daily and always try to give good solid technical advice when I can. In my
>> personal opinion we should share info and words of encouragement for
>> free..Some others don't. I am not about to whip a dead horse over this
>> subject. The opinions regarding information sharing are quite fixed in some
>> people's minds. I do not hold out much hope of it changing anytime soon. I
>> will continue to share and live my example. Y'all can do what you wish.
>> Jim Hupy (JBH PRODUCTS)
>> Salem, Or
>> 78 Gmc Royale 403
>> On Jun 10, 2013 3:26 PM, "Kerry Pinkerton" <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not asking anything Jim. Just stating my opinion. Everyone has one.
>>> I understand about the givers and the takers but it's always going to be
>>> that way. I'm about as anti-entitlement as you will find.
>>>
>>> The point is that if WE (the global WE) are serious about promoting and
>>> growing the GMC community we should not pigeonhole information. Yeah,
>>> there will be some folks who never do anything but absorb info from this
>>> site and all others and never pay a dime, attend a rally, or contribute a
>>> single post. Probably in about the same percentage as the electorate (Not
>>> trying to start anything, it's just a metaphor... :d). Such is life. That
>>> doesn't mean I wouldn't stop and help change a tire of someone with the
>>> other guys bumper sticker on their car.
>>>
>>> I'm new here but I don't think by anyone's standard I have been a 'taker'.
>>> However, I'll tell you honestly that if I had found this site and it had
>>> been 'closed' and I had to join a bunch of groups and pay a bunch of even
>>> small fees up front before I had found out the level of knowledge and and
>>> had access to the information that was available I WOULD NOT BE HERE NOW.
>>>
>>> Yall can decide if that is a good or bad thing.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
>>> --
>>> Kerry Pinkerton
>>>
>>> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>>>
>>> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
>>> an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Members requesting documents. [message #210637 is a reply to message #210633] |
Mon, 10 June 2013 21:37 |
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On 2013-06-10, at 10:32 PM, Bob Moss <fums6@aol.com> wrote:
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> Wow, somebody's ox was gored! As an almost daily visitor to this web site and a sometimes requester of info I need to keep my GMC in good shape, I am lost and confused by this whole thread. I guess the original poster and some of the answering posters know what this is all about but to me it seems really childish. If you have a bitch, say it and get over it. 99% of us don't care.
> Bob Moss
> '77 Eleganza that runs very well
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). Such is life. That doesn't mean I wouldn't stop and help change a tire of someone with the other guys bumper sticker on their car.
