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| one ton front end. [message #208480] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 16:39  |
Robert C
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I have a 75 GMC that I just got a year ago and I’m just getting around starting to rebuild and use. I have an appointment with Cinnabar to rebuild the front end as it wanders all over the road. I assume they only use the std. parts and like a dummy forgot to ask about the Hubler install. Has anyone had this done and are they happy with it. Also has anyone had cinnabar do it and what was the end cost?
Thanks for any help
1975 Eleganza
Doug's headers
DBL air bag rear
New Jasper Engine
Manny Trans. one ton front end
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| Re: one ton front end. [message #208490 is a reply to message #208480] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 17:27  |
kerry pinkerton
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Manny will be shipping me his one ton setup and a power drive to go with my 3.21. He's at the Coop installing 'stuff' and rebuilding a bunch of trannys until the first.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: one ton front end. [message #208491 is a reply to message #208480] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 17:45 |
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mike miller
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| firestillon wrote on Tue, 21 May 2013 14:39 |
I have a 75 GMC that I just got a year ago and I’m just getting around starting to rebuild and use. I have an appointment with Cinnabar to rebuild the front end as it wanders all over the road. I assume they only use the std. parts and like a dummy forgot to ask about the Hubler install. Has anyone had this done and are they happy with it. Also has anyone had cinnabar do it and what was the end cost?
Thanks for any help
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From just what I have read, I doubt Cinnabar will have anything to do with a 1-ton conversion. You could ASK them, but it would surprise me if they said yes.
Only talking parts, not labor, IF you are replacing all the parts that are replaced by the one-ton set-up, the price is a little LESS with the one ton. Plus with the upgrade, you get some more modern parts that should be easier to service in the future. (Brakes and wheel bearings.) I do not think that the labor would be much different. Maybe slightly less labor with the conversion kits over a OEM rebuild.
Note that the one ton DOES NOT replace EVERYTHING that would normally need replacing when redoing a "basically untouched" OEM set-up. You'll still need the tie rods and other like parts NOT included in any one ton kit. If you are rebuilding an oem system, you'd need these same parts... no difference here.
Also there are some "geometry" changes involved with the current one-ton kits mostly due to not relocating the upper control arm pivot points. Relocating the pivots would make the upgrade well outside the bolt-on kit range. BUT the geometry changes are mostly a "non-issue" as long as you do not plan on "road racing" your GMC. 
I do not have a one-ton, but haven't heard of anyone who got one, wishing they have stayed with OEM.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: one ton front end. [message #208493 is a reply to message #208480] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 18:13 |
PettyVTX
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Ive got Manny's 1 ton. I wouldnt dream of going back It was a easy install. Hardest part was the alignment. But lots of folks have the alignment kit to lend or help with. Im going to put me one together as soon as I get my tranny put back together and see about rear brakes.
Ex Avion now looking for a 23'
Jeep Wrangler Towd
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| Re: one ton front end. [message #208495 is a reply to message #208480] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 18:42 |
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Matt Colie
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| firestillon wrote on Tue, 21 May 2013 17:39 |
I have a 75 GMC that I just got a year ago and I’m just getting around starting to rebuild and use. I have an appointment with Cinnabar to rebuild the front end as it wanders all over the road. I assume they only use the std. parts and like a dummy forgot to ask about the Hubler install. Has anyone had this done and are they happy with it. Also has anyone had cinnabar do it and what was the end cost?
Thanks for any help
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Robert,
Welcome to group/family/cult/asylum ...
Before you do anything, get at least an estimate if not a quote from Cinnabar before you do anything. I have never heard complaints about the quality of work done there, but cost has been an issue.
I am not that far from you and if you can wait until next week (during the week, the weekends are full), I could meet you and we could do a full diagnosis of your front end. I very much doubt that it needs a complete rebuild.
I very much doubt that they would do a 1-ton. They do GMC-OE and work very hard to stick to that rule.
The is a GMCer, one Dave Linze, that lives over in Davidson (MI). He does some GMC parts they way they should have been made the first time, and he offers advice. Our coach was no fun to drive, so I took it to a recommended front end shop in
Brighton or Novi (CRS) and they told me it needed all kinds of new parts. I called Dave. He laughed and said "They all do that, they jack it up wrong and everything gets loose and then they sell you all these new parts you never needed." He told me what to do. (It is actually in the MM.) I did that. And the difference it made was astounding.
Really, Call me when you have time. Number here is 73four 7five3 five0five4.
Before I forget....
Got and build a sig file in the Control Panel/Account Setting/Preferences include a real name, coach description and a geographical reference. The E-mail readers don't get the header that the Forum people do.
Also,
Never post a plain language telephone number or e-mail @ddress. There are unvetted spambots that read this group and they will grab those.
Lastly, when you get the GMC on the road and discover what it offers, you will understand that it is far more than just another toy. As I am a waterman, I liken it to relation watermen have with their boats. That being said, I decided some time ago to welcome new owners much as a new owner or vessel would traditionally be welcomed... So,
May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that setforth within her.
Welcome Robert.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: one ton front end. [message #208496 is a reply to message #208491] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 18:44 |
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WD0AFQ
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I do not have a one-ton, but haven't heard of anyone who got one, wishing they have stayed with OEM.
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Everything Mike said. Also, I would never go back. Big brakes and sealed bearings that can be bought anywhere. Ease of maintenance.
I would say that it depends on what you plan to do with your coach. If just weekend getaway, keep the old one and get the new parts that will make it drive "right". Nothing drives like a GMC when it is right, with either front end. Should you plan to keep the coach a long time, take long trips on a regular basis, and hate doing front end repairs yourself, go for the one ton. At least those are the reasons I did it. My oem front end drove like a dream before we upgraded to the one ton. You will not get Cinnabar to touch anything that is not a stock part, or so I am told. Tom Hampton will do most anything you ask him to do, as far as upgrades, and is a trustworthy mechanic.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Dan
3 In Stainless Exhaust Headers
One Ton All Discs/Reaction Arm
355 FD/Quad Bag/Alum Radiator Manny Tran/New eng.
Holley EFI/10 Tire Air Monitoring System
Solarized Coach/Upgraded Windows
Satelite TV/On Demand Hot Water/3Way Refer
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| Re: [GMCnet] one ton front end. [message #208498 is a reply to message #208496] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 18:59 |
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hnielsen2
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Same with us.
Stock drive was fine.
I liked the idea of the one ton unit.
Manny did a fine and quick job of replacing it in the rain.
What a Great Man.
I have the stock unit with bearing puller for sale.
Make me an offer.
Howard
Alpine CA
26' Canyon Lands
All is well with my Lord
On May 21, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I do not have a one-ton, but haven't heard of anyone who got one, wishing they have stayed with OEM.
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> Everything Mike said. Also, I would never go back. Big brakes and sealed bearings that can be bought anywhere. Ease of maintenance.
> I would say that it depends on what you plan to do with your coach. If just weekend getaway, keep the old one and get the new parts that will make it drive "right". Nothing drives like a GMC when it is right, with either front end. Should you plan to keep the coach a long time, take long trips on a regular basis, and hate doing front end repairs yourself, go for the one ton. At least those are the reasons I did it. My oem front end drove like a dream before we upgraded to the one ton. You will not get Cinnabar to touch anything that is not a stock part, or so I am told. Tom Hampton will do most anything you ask him to do, as far as upgrades, and is a trustworthy mechanic.
> Just my 2 cents worth.
> Dan
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| Re: [GMCnet] one ton front end. [message #208499 is a reply to message #208495] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 19:03 |
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hnielsen2
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Be careful, be very careful.
Cinnabar got to me once.
Next time it's my fault!
Howard
Alpine CA
26' Canyon Lands
All is well with my Lord
On May 21, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> firestillon wrote on Tue, 21 May 2013 17:39
>> I have a 75 GMC that I just got a year ago and I’m just getting around starting to rebuild and use. I have an appointment with Cinnabar to rebuild the front end as it wanders all over the road. I assume they only use the std. parts and like a dummy forgot to ask about the Hubler install. Has anyone had this done and are they happy with it. Also has anyone had cinnabar do it and what was the end cost?
>> Thanks for any help
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> Robert,
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> Welcome to group/family/cult/asylum ...
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> Before you do anything, get at least an estimate if not a quote from Cinnabar before you do anything. I have never heard complaints about the quality of work done there, but cost has been an issue.
>
> I am not that far from you and if you can wait until next week (during the week, the weekends are full), I could meet you and we could do a full diagnosis of your front end. I very much doubt that it needs a complete rebuild.
>
> I very much doubt that they would do a 1-ton. They do GMC-OE and work very hard to stick to that rule.
>
> The is a GMCer, one Dave Linze, that lives over in Davidson (MI). He does some GMC parts they way they should have been made the first time, and he offers advice. Our coach was no fun to drive, so I took it to a recommended front end shop in
> Brighton or Novi (CRS) and they told me it needed all kinds of new parts. I called Dave. He laughed and said "They all do that, they jack it up wrong and everything gets loose and then they sell you all these new parts you never needed." He told me what to do. (It is actually in the MM.) I did that. And the difference it made was astounding.
>
> Really, Call me when you have time. Number here is 73four 7five3 five0five4.
>
> Before I forget....
> Got and build a sig file in the Control Panel/Account Setting/Preferences include a real name, coach description and a geographical reference. The E-mail readers don't get the header that the Forum people do.
>
> Also,
> Never post a plain language telephone number or e-mail @ddress. There are unvetted spambots that read this group and they will grab those.
>
> Lastly, when you get the GMC on the road and discover what it offers, you will understand that it is far more than just another toy. As I am a waterman, I liken it to relation watermen have with their boats. That being said, I decided some time ago to welcome new owners much as a new owner or vessel would traditionally be welcomed... So,
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> May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that setforth within her.
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> Welcome Robert.
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> Matt
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> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air)
> Now with 4 working Rear Brakes
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] one ton front end. [message #208507 is a reply to message #208499] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 20:06 |
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USAussie
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Howard,
Could you please provide some details on how Cinnabar "got you."
I have read these statements many times here but NOBODY provides details so as far as I'm concerned they are accusations that fall
on deaf ears.
I apologize if the last sentence upsets you but whenever I have dealt with Cinnabar I have found them to provide the parts I wanted
in a timely manner. They are not as cheap as other national parts chains, however, I would not expect them to be.
I bought two new rear brake drums from them and one of them had a big weight welded on to it for balancing and the weld had cracked.
They sent me a new one and paid shipping both directions. Their price was $12.50 more than other GMC vendors and theirs were NOT
re-drilled 5 hole car versions. They had eight correctly placed bolt holes which matched the hubs on Double Trouble.
Regards,
Rob M.
PS - Do acknowledge Wes can be difficult to deal with, however.
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From: Howard
Be careful, be very careful.
Cinnabar got to me once.
Next time it's my fault!
Howard
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| Re: one ton front end. [message #208515 is a reply to message #208491] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 21:25 |
Robert C
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Thanks I may cancel the inspection by Cinnabar and just do this all myself. The unit is really clean underneath and continues to surprise me with upgrades it has. New Jasper engine with headers only found out tonight that it also has the four bags set up in back with disc brakes and yet the front end looks original as the ball joints have the rivets. I kind of thought Cennibar would be a no go.
1975 Eleganza
Doug's headers
DBL air bag rear
New Jasper Engine
Manny Trans. one ton front end
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| Re: one ton front end. [message #208517 is a reply to message #208495] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 21:31 |
Robert C
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Thanks so much. I will call you about this
1975 Eleganza
Doug's headers
DBL air bag rear
New Jasper Engine
Manny Trans. one ton front end
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| Re: [GMCnet] one ton front end. [message #208544 is a reply to message #208515] |
Wed, 22 May 2013 08:40 |
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USAussie
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Robert,
It may be my computer but I don't see the emails to which you're responding too, does anyone else see them?
I checked the Forum and they don't appear there either.
I would suggest you download the procedure below and go through it step by step. Doing so will enable you to determine if the
problem is in the steering system and where it is.
http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Mueller_Steering_Inspection_Guide.pdf
Once you've done that move on to check the ball joints and bushings as per the Maintenance Manual; if you don't have a Maintenance
Manual you can download one here:
http://www.bdub.net/factory-manuals.html
THEN take it to Cinnabar and let them tell you what's wrong with your steering.
By following this sequence you won't let Cinnabar "get you" as Howard noted.
Quite frankly there is a propensity for people on this Forum to recommend expensive modifications before they know what the problems
are. A recent example of that is Appie, the guy in Denmark who had a rear suspension problem, a number of people recommended he buy
the new Wireless Air System @ $900.00 to fix it. The problem turned out to be two lines that were switched which was fixed for
$0.00!
I'm sorry if I piss anybody off with the last statement but "them's the facts!"
Regards,
Rob M.
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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] one ton front end.
Thanks I may cancel the inspection by Cinnabar and just do this all myself. The unit is really clean underneath and continues to
surprise me with upgrades it has. New Jasper engine with headers only found out tonight that it also has the four bags set up in
back with disc brakes and yet the front end looks original as the ball joints have the rivets. I kind of thought Cennibar would be a
no go.
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] one ton front end. [message #208555 is a reply to message #208544] |
Wed, 22 May 2013 11:34 |
Robert C
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Thanks
The more I look into this the more I may just try to takle it myself. I'm not a truck or automotive mechanic but I have maintained large HVAC equipment and boilers for years. Thanks for the inspection out line. Will get started as soon as weather gives me a break. going to be outside work.
in case my info still does not show up
rcresmen@comcast.net
1975 Eleganza
Doug's headers
DBL air bag rear
New Jasper Engine
Manny Trans. one ton front end
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