| Ethanol and gasoline [message #207419] |
Sat, 11 May 2013 19:57  |
kingd
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In some jurisdictions, it has been mandated by law, that all new in-ground gasoine storage tanks at gas stations cannot be steel and must be fiberglas. I believe this may also be retro acrive to existing stations and also applies to existing stations doing major (or minor) upgrades.
It has now been discovered that although the fiberglas was basically impervious to gasoline, ethanol laced gasoline is slowly dissolving the resin in the fiberglas. Some tanks are leaking. The dissolved resin is ending up in the customer vehicles. At this time there is no known useable alternative to the fiberglas tanks(I guess stainless steel would work ??)(at what cost ?)
There is currently NO plan in Ontario to force the replacement of the fiberglas tanks !!!
DAVE KING
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Re: Ethanol and gasoline [message #207424 is a reply to message #207419] |
Sat, 11 May 2013 20:36  |
bobby5832708
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Dave,
I'm no chemist, but I believe that epoxy resin cannot be dissolved by ethanol while polyester resin can be.
Polyester resin = relatively cheap
Epoxy resin = relatively expensive
Maybe the issue is that a few storage tanks made with polyester resin have failed and, as usual, the ethanol gets blamed. You would think that if fuel companies are going to store ethanol fuel in storage tanks they would know exactly what those tanks are made of. They should know to NOT put ethanol into storage tanks made with polyester resin.
Bob Heller
2017 Winnebago 29VE
Winter Springs FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol and gasoline [message #207461 is a reply to message #207419] |
Sun, 12 May 2013 10:14 |
jhbridges
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Surely the bureaucracy in Canada is no worse than that here in the Lower 48. I say this as a "Non-Petroleum Reseller Underground Tank Operator". We found a loophole in the regulations, and promptly dug a pit around all our Diesel tanks, concreted it, and thereby became operators of above ground tanks where the rules are somewhat less onerous. When we add facilities, we always use gensets with base tanks, whose regulations are even less restrictive.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Dave King <kingd@sympatico.ca>
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Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:57 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Ethanol and gasoline
In some jurisdictions, it has been mandated by law, that all new in-ground gasoine storage tanks at gas stations cannot be steel and must be fiberglas. I believe this may also be retro acrive to existing stations and also applies to existing stations doing major (or minor) upgrades.
It has now been discovered that although the fiberglas was bisically impervious to gasoline, ethanol laced gasoline is slowly dissolving the resin in the fiberglas. Some tanks are leaking. The dissolved resin is ending up in the customer vehicles. At this time there is no known useable alternative to the fiberglas tanks(I guess stainless steel would work ??)(at what cost ?)
There is currently NO plan in Ontario to force the replacement of the fiberglas tanks !!!
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DAVE KING
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Re: Ethanol and gasoline [message #207515 is a reply to message #207419] |
Sun, 12 May 2013 22:12 |
kingd
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My statements about the fiberglas tanks was based on an article in a newspaer with the largest circulation in Canada. I guess they could be wrong. I'll try to ask them about the article.
DAVE KING
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Re: Ethanol and gasoline [message #207544 is a reply to message #207540] |
Mon, 13 May 2013 09:03 |
Dennis S
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| Matt Colie wrote on Mon, 13 May 2013 08:36 |
This ethanol in motorfuel stuff is still proving that the government can screw up anything.
In the boat world, it has put a real bind on some owners of Bertrams. These are high end boats that can be available real cheap as the fiberglass (polyester) tanks were glassed into the hull and not removable without a major tear-up. Some owners have just scrapped the boat because the cost to repair made no economic sense. Most gave up boat owning. (Can you see a problem for state property taxes here?)
But, (as usual) I have another personal side to all this. I have to replace the entire fuel system of my little lawn/garden tractor. I have rubber line left over from the GMC job, but the new fuel pump for the Kohler single cylinder is 90$ from a dealer. (I'm searching Ebay for the off-shore replacement).
Matt
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Matt,
The link Chris posted in the swap meet section..
http://www.kirkengines.com/
they offer facet cube pumps which they say is a solution for the single cylinder Kohler engine.
Dennis
Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: Ethanol and gasoline [message #207568 is a reply to message #207557] |
Mon, 13 May 2013 12:19 |
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Matt Colie
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| A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 13 May 2013 12:27 |
Ignorant question: Can the fuel pump be disassembled and "refreshed"? I have a Kohler in the '73 Canyonlands that I have been meaning to test fire since I got it, just haven't found the "roundtuit" yet.
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A Ham,
I have two operational and two hanger queen Kohlers. They all have different but interchangeable fuel pumps. Some can be disassembled and some cannot (without damage). I have never located rebuild kits, but I have had the two that I could disassemble and clean but was only been able to cause them to be functional for a short period as the diaphragm and check valve material has degraded.
There is a good possibility that aftermarket parts may be available if you can identify the base engine.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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