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| Trans filter [message #205300] |
Fri, 19 April 2013 21:52  |
Hal StClair
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I replaced the trans filter today and am a little worried about how loose it seemed to fit the case. I used a Wix 58882 filter and replaced the o-ring but it still felt loose. I have a Ragusa pan on it and don't know if it is supposed to support the filter or not.
Also, I added 5 qts of fluid which seems to be at least a quart less than I removed.I know the book says 4 qts and the pan is supposed to add an extra qt of capacity but it seems the PO had more fluid in it. I don't know if I can trust the dipstick readings.
Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks,Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trans filter [message #205304 is a reply to message #205300] |
Sat, 20 April 2013 01:09  |
jimk
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You should have used the old and new O rings.
The Al pan will hold up the filter in place.
The Al pans will hold about an extra quart.
All the filters come from Red China and are crap, but you have no choice.
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Hal StClair <eaglefabrication1@gmail.com>
wrote:
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> I replaced the trans filter today and am a little worried about how loose
it seemed to fit the case. I used a Wix 58882 filter and replaced the
o-ring but it still felt loose. I have a Ragusa pan on it and don't know if
it is supposed to support the filter or not.
> Also, I added 5 qts of fluid which seems to be at least a quart less than
I removed.I know the book says 4 qts and the pan is supposed to add an
extra qt of capacity but it seems the PO had more fluid in it. I don't know
if I can trust the dipstick readings.
> Any help will be appreciated.
> Thanks,Hal
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trans filter [message #205317 is a reply to message #205304] |
Sat, 20 April 2013 08:43 |
sgltrac
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Awww. Come on Jim, tell us what you really think ;) ;)
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 19, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
> You should have used the old and new O rings.
> The Al pan will hold up the filter in place.
> The Al pans will hold about an extra quart.
> All the filters come from Red China and are crap, but you have no choice.
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Hal StClair <eaglefabrication1@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I replaced the trans filter today and am a little worried about how loose
> it seemed to fit the case. I used a Wix 58882 filter and replaced the
> o-ring but it still felt loose. I have a Ragusa pan on it and don't know if
> it is supposed to support the filter or not.
>> Also, I added 5 qts of fluid which seems to be at least a quart less than
> I removed.I know the book says 4 qts and the pan is supposed to add an
> extra qt of capacity but it seems the PO had more fluid in it. I don't know
> if I can trust the dipstick readings.
>> Any help will be appreciated.
>> Thanks,Hal
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trans filter [message #205337 is a reply to message #205317] |
Sat, 20 April 2013 12:49 |
jimk
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Todd,
You knew I was holding back.
Since turning 70, I have elected to say it like it is as I'm not here to do
the Dale Carnegie thing. I have spent personal funds at these classes.
I'm in Salem,OR today to attend Jim and Judy Hupy's Wedding reception. It
is great to see people team up and share the life together in a close bond.
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Todd Sullivan <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
> Awww. Come on Jim, tell us what you really think ;) ;)
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> Sully
> 77 royale
> Seattle
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 19, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > You should have used the old and new O rings.
> > The Al pan will hold up the filter in place.
> > The Al pans will hold about an extra quart.
> > All the filters come from Red China and are crap, but you have no choice.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Hal StClair <
> eaglefabrication1@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I replaced the trans filter today and am a little worried about how
> loose
> > it seemed to fit the case. I used a Wix 58882 filter and replaced the
> > o-ring but it still felt loose. I have a Ragusa pan on it and don't know
> if
> > it is supposed to support the filter or not.
> >> Also, I added 5 qts of fluid which seems to be at least a quart less
> than
> > I removed.I know the book says 4 qts and the pan is supposed to add an
> > extra qt of capacity but it seems the PO had more fluid in it. I don't
> know
> > if I can trust the dipstick readings.
> >> Any help will be appreciated.
> >> Thanks,Hal
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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> > Jim Kanomata
> > Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
> > jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> > http://www.appliedgmc.com
> > 1-800-752-7502
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| Re: Trans filter [message #205377 is a reply to message #205300] |
Sat, 20 April 2013 22:01 |
Hal StClair
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Well, I guess my gut feelings were correct. I tried to move the coach and it wouldn't even try to move. It must be sucking air. I'll have to try and save that $8 a quart fluid. I'll drop the pan and add another o-ring and hope that it works. I'll give the man (Manny) a call Monday and see what he thinks-maybe there is a different o-ring although its the same as the one that was in there. I'm wondering if the excess fluid in the trans was there to raise the level above the filter tube. I'd think it would have been spitting fluid out if it were that high. It ran fine and the trans temps were good although the cooler was hooked up wrong (plumbed in parallel instead of series.
Thanks for the replies people, it's a learning process for sure.
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: Trans filter [message #205383 is a reply to message #205300] |
Sat, 20 April 2013 23:05 |
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John Heslinga
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Hi Hal:
While you have the filter out one more time ensure that the pipes that goes into oil actually seals into the filter housing. I've seen them leak and yes you will suck air. While it may be hard, or unapealing to do with the oily filter When they come out of the box, I've blown into them to check the seal. Also ensure the lower pipe does not easily spin because they will too.
Can I ask you a favor please?? When you have the transmission pan off can you please inspect the bolt holes on the Transmission flange and check for any that are open to th einside of the case.
Follow this Link for more information and post what you observe. Pictures would be helpful. Any Type B holes??
http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=25809&start=0&rid=2049
Thanks a million
John and Cathie Heslinga
1974 Canyonlands 260
455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS,
Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd.
Edmonton, Alberta
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trans filter [message #205387 is a reply to message #205383] |
Sat, 20 April 2013 23:38 |
jimk
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These trans are sensitive to fluid level.
should you dump the fluid after it has sat for few days will cause one to
dump 6 qts, so if you fill with 4 , your 2 short and it will not work.
Dump in another quart and 1/2 and see if it will help.
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 9:05 PM, John Heslinga <rbeeper@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Hal:
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> While you have the filter out one more time ensure that the pipes that
> goes into oil actually seals into the filter housing. I've seen them leak
> and yes you will suck air. While it may be hard, or unapealing to do with
> the oily filter When they come out of the box, I've blown into them to
> check the seal. Also ensure the lower pipe does not easily spin because
> they will too.
>
> Can I ask you a favor please?? When you have the transmission pan off can
> you please inspect the bolt holes on the Transmission flange and check for
> any that are open to th einside of the case.
>
> Follow this Link for more information and post what you observe. Pictures
> would be helpful. Any Type B holes??
>
>
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=25809&start=0&rid=2049
>
> Thanks a million
> --
> John and Cathie Heslinga
> 1974 Canyonlands 260
> TC4W "Too Cool For Words"
> Retirement Projects Galore
> Edmonton, Alberta
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| Re: Trans filter [message #205407 is a reply to message #205300] |
Sun, 21 April 2013 09:27 |
JohnL455
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What Jim K said makes perfect sense, in fact you posed the question yourself as to why more came out than went in. I'd say 2 qts liw would be a no go situation. Sort of like opperator error but easy fix. The old converter drain back.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: Trans filter [message #205475 is a reply to message #205300] |
Sun, 21 April 2013 22:49 |
Hal StClair
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I added 6 qts and its a no-go situation, not a hint of trying to move. It must be sucking air at the loose filter o-ring area. Now I have to wait a week or so to get back after it. The GMC is in Albuquerque and I'm in Las Vegas for at least a week. Thanks for the ideas guys. Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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