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| [GMCnet] dead coach [message #204602] |
Sun, 14 April 2013 03:51  |
Burt and Faye curtis
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Friend found and bought coach Friday - drove it home, parked it and turned
it off. Then tried to start it again to move it to a safer location -
moments after turning it off. Will not startT.Doesn't even try to
crank. Headlights will not come on. tested batteries and voltages are good.
Using bat switch doesn't help. Tried safety neutral switch fix and that did
not help. Coach is a 1973. Has had a HEI distrubutor installed. Any help
greatly appreciated. She is starting to freak out and don't want to lose a
new member of the cult just after she joined! We will be going to see if we
can help in the morning.
Bert and Fay Curtis
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| Re: [GMCnet] dead coach [message #204624 is a reply to message #204602] |
Sun, 14 April 2013 09:11  |
Craig Lechowicz
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If the headlights don't come on, it is likely a loose or corroded cable. Often the ground side gets neglected more than the hot side.
Craig Lechowicz
'77 Kingsley, Waterford, MI
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| Re: [GMCnet] dead coach [message #204631 is a reply to message #204602] |
Sun, 14 April 2013 09:57 |
jhbridges
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Look for a corroded or loose battery cable. If the coach has had 'clamp on' style ends added to the existing cables, replace the cables now, entirely, with ones with the correct ends on them. Clamp - ons are only a device to get home when an original connector fails.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Burt and Faye curtis <curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:51 AM
Subject: [GMCnet] dead coach
Friend found and bought coach Friday - drove it home, parked it and turned
it off. Then tried to start it again to move it to a safer location -
moments after turning it off. Will not startT.Doesn't even try to
crank. Headlights will not come on. tested batteries and voltages are good.
Using bat switch doesn't help. Tried safety neutral switch fix and that did
not help. Coach is a 1973. Has had a HEI distrubutor installed. Any help
greatly appreciated. She is starting to freak out and don't want to lose a
new member of the cult just after she joined! We will be going to see if we
can help in the morning.
Bert and Fay Curtis
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Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] dead coach [message #204646 is a reply to message #204602] |
Sun, 14 April 2013 13:38 |
rallymaster
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Sounds like a busted fusible link.
Symptoms fit our experience with that.
RonC
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 01:51:01 -0700 Burt and Faye curtis
<curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> writes:
> Friend found and bought coach Friday - drove it home, parked it and
> turned
> it off. Then tried to start it again to move it to a safer location
> -
> moments after turning it off. Will not startT.Doesn't even try to
> crank. Headlights will not come on. tested batteries and voltages
> are good.
> Using bat switch doesn't help. Tried safety neutral switch fix and
> that did
> not help. Coach is a 1973. Has had a HEI distrubutor installed. Any
> help
> greatly appreciated. She is starting to freak out and don't want to
> lose a
> new member of the cult just after she joined! We will be going to
> see if we
> can help in the morning.
>
>
> Bert and Fay Curtis
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Ron & Linda Clark
1978 Eleganza II
North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] dead coach [message #204649 is a reply to message #204602] |
Sun, 14 April 2013 13:52 |
Cadillackeeper
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Most definatley the molex plug on the starter harness.Yes the one with the fuseable link.Sometimes that wire hits the exhaust manifold and burns quick.Not too too bad!When you get the headlight to light then it should kick right off!
77 455 Elaganza II and 67 Animal, Built 500 Powered Eldo
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| Re: [GMCnet] dead coach [message #204660 is a reply to message #204646] |
Sun, 14 April 2013 16:07 |
Burt and Faye curtis
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Ok,
batteries are good, have 12 plus volts going to starter and when tested
from hot starter wire to ground. However, when try to spark across the
starter terminal, get no sparks, nada. So thinking still fusible link
(where) or bad starter?
Fay
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, <rallymaster@juno.com> wrote:
> Sounds like a busted fusible link.
> Symptoms fit our experience with that.
>
> RonC
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>
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 01:51:01 -0700 Burt and Faye curtis
> <curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> writes:
> > Friend found and bought coach Friday - drove it home, parked it and
> > turned
> > it off. Then tried to start it again to move it to a safer location
> > -
> > moments after turning it off. Will not startT.Doesn't even try to
> > crank. Headlights will not come on. tested batteries and voltages
> > are good.
> > Using bat switch doesn't help. Tried safety neutral switch fix and
> > that did
> > not help. Coach is a 1973. Has had a HEI distrubutor installed. Any
> > help
> > greatly appreciated. She is starting to freak out and don't want to
> > lose a
> > new member of the cult just after she joined! We will be going to
> > see if we
> > can help in the morning.
> >
> >
> > Bert and Fay Curtis
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> Ron & Linda Clark
> 1978 Eleganza II
> North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] dead coach [message #204662 is a reply to message #204660] |
Sun, 14 April 2013 16:12 |
Burt and Faye curtis
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We see no fusible link in the starter circuit. Dose it exist on a 1973
coach and if so, where?
Thanks,
Fay
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Burt and Faye curtis <
curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok,
> batteries are good, have 12 plus volts going to starter and when tested
> from hot starter wire to ground. However, when try to spark across the
> starter terminal, get no sparks, nada. So thinking still fusible link
> (where) or bad starter?
>
> Fay
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, <rallymaster@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a busted fusible link.
>> Symptoms fit our experience with that.
>>
>> RonC
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 01:51:01 -0700 Burt and Faye curtis
>> <curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> writes:
>> > Friend found and bought coach Friday - drove it home, parked it and
>> > turned
>> > it off. Then tried to start it again to move it to a safer location
>> > -
>> > moments after turning it off. Will not startT.Doesn't even try to
>> > crank. Headlights will not come on. tested batteries and voltages
>> > are good.
>> > Using bat switch doesn't help. Tried safety neutral switch fix and
>> > that did
>> > not help. Coach is a 1973. Has had a HEI distrubutor installed. Any
>> > help
>> > greatly appreciated. She is starting to freak out and don't want to
>> > lose a
>> > new member of the cult just after she joined! We will be going to
>> > see if we
>> > can help in the morning.
>> >
>> >
>> > Bert and Fay Curtis
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>> Ron & Linda Clark
>> 1978 Eleganza II
>> North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] dead coach [message #204664 is a reply to message #204663] |
Sun, 14 April 2013 16:21 |
Burt and Faye curtis
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Gary,
We can be reached at 707-839-1174
Dan, yes, please send a picture. Thanks
Fay
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Fuseable link on my 74 is under the pass side hood. I keep a fused link
> there, with no fuse, in case it blows out on the road. Short red wire. I
> can take a pic and send you if you need it.
> Dan
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| Re: [GMCnet] dead coach [message #204677 is a reply to message #204675] |
Sun, 14 April 2013 18:27 |
Burt and Faye curtis
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Well, it still isn't starting. Still have good power going to the starter
(which tested fine), but no power to speak of when jumping from the hot
lead of the starter to ground - just itty bitty sparks. Nothing when try to
start the engine. Engine ground looks good, frame ground looks good. Still
up a creek.
Fay
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Burt and Faye curtis <
curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to Dan pictures and help, we found the fusible link and it appears
> to be good. Replaced the starter solenoid and will be seeing if that works.
>
> Thanks for all the help so far.
> Fay
>
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> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> Photo sent to your email Fay.
>> Dan
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>> Dexter, Mo.
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>> http://danandteri.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] dead coach [message #204683 is a reply to message #204602] |
Sun, 14 April 2013 20:13 |
kerry pinkerton
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I'd probably get some good jumper cables and go directly to the starter and an engine ground point, then short the solenoid with a screwdriver. If it doesn't turn over, your starter is bad. If it does, I'd disconnect the battery cables and attach the jumper cables directly to the engine battery turn the key. If it turns over, your battery cables/ground are bad, if not, short the solenoid. If it turns over, you have a problem in the ignition wiring that is not triggering the solenoid.
Early on, it was mentioned that the headlights did not work. Is that still the case?
One thing that has gotten me a few times is a cable that will carry voltage but not enough amps to do anything. The jumper cable test will determine the condition of the battery cables.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] dead coach [message #204688 is a reply to message #204683] |
Sun, 14 April 2013 20:37 |
Burt and Faye curtis
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Kerry,
Direct to starter gets nothing, but a bit better spark. Starter passed test
at local shop, but...
Headlights and horn do not work. Gen light and brake light come on when key
is turned.
We were wondering also about the cables carrying voltage, but not amps,
Fay
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com>wrote:
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> I'd probably get some good jumper cables and go directly to the starter
> and an engine ground point, then short the solenoid with a screwdriver. If
> it doesn't turn over, your starter is bad. If it does, I'd disconnect the
> battery cables and attach the jumper cables directly to the engine battery
> turn the key. If it turns over, your battery cables/ground are bad, if
> not, short the solenoid. If it turns over, you have a problem in the
> ignition wiring that is not triggering the solenoid.
>
> Early on, it was mentioned that the headlights did not work. Is that
> still the case?
>
> One thing that has gotten me a few times is a cable that will carry
> voltage but not enough amps to do anything. The jumper cable test will
> determine the condition of the battery cables.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
> an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] dead coach [message #204690 is a reply to message #204688] |
Sun, 14 April 2013 20:40 |
Burt and Faye curtis
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Removed cable from starter and grounded it. There were no big sparks, yet
meters at 12.5 plus volts. Amps are going somewhere. So, replace battery
cables and or battery?
Fay
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Burt and Faye curtis <
curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kerry,
>
> Direct to starter gets nothing, but a bit better spark. Starter passed
> test at local shop, but...
> Headlights and horn do not work. Gen light and brake light come on when
> key is turned.
> We were wondering also about the cables carrying voltage, but not amps,
>
>
> Fay
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'd probably get some good jumper cables and go directly to the starter
>> and an engine ground point, then short the solenoid with a screwdriver. If
>> it doesn't turn over, your starter is bad. If it does, I'd disconnect the
>> battery cables and attach the jumper cables directly to the engine battery
>> turn the key. If it turns over, your battery cables/ground are bad, if
>> not, short the solenoid. If it turns over, you have a problem in the
>> ignition wiring that is not triggering the solenoid.
>>
>> Early on, it was mentioned that the headlights did not work. Is that
>> still the case?
>>
>> One thing that has gotten me a few times is a cable that will carry
>> voltage but not enough amps to do anything. The jumper cable test will
>> determine the condition of the battery cables.
>> --
>> Kerry Pinkerton
>>
>> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>>
>> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, also a 76 Eleganza being re-bodied as
>> an Art Deco car hauler
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