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| Re: [GMCnet] New airbags from Cinnabar [message #202877 is a reply to message #202869] |
Thu, 28 March 2013 14:30   |
Carl S.
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| Grant Leonard wrote on Thu, 28 March 2013 12:07 |
I bought the new airbags from Cinnabar and had them installed by Jeff
Sirum. They seem very good and probably are made offshore.
Cinnabar gets $400. each. I wanted to replace the original airbags with
new ones. They seem just great.
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Grant,
I'm sure more people than I are curious about these new Cinnabar air bags. Could you please post a couple of photos?
Thanks
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] New airbags from Cinnabar [message #203285 is a reply to message #203256] |
Mon, 01 April 2013 11:51 |
Carl S.
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Thanks for looking into that Rob. My plan is still to eventually convert to the Q-bag system, but that is another viable alternative for the folks who want to retain single bags.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] New airbags from Cinnabar [message #203289 is a reply to message #202869] |
Mon, 01 April 2013 12:13 |
mickey szilagyi
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Grant,
We are in the process of replacing our OEMs with the new ones from Cinnabar. On the install of your new bags did you put shraeder and shut off valves at the airbags?
Thanks,
Mickey
77 Kingsley 403, Lansing, MI
Mickey
1977 Kingsley, 403, Lansing, MI
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| Re: [GMCnet] New airbags from Cinnabar [message #203300 is a reply to message #203289] |
Mon, 01 April 2013 13:07 |
Dennis S
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Grant and Mickey,
Are these new air bags made by Firestone?
Thank you,
Dennis
| Mickey Szilagyi wrote on Mon, 01 April 2013 12:13 |
Grant,
We are in the process of replacing our OEMs with the new ones from Cinnabar. On the install of your new bags did you put shraeder and shut off valves at the airbags?
Thanks,
Mickey
77 Kingsley 403, Lansing, MI
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Dennis S
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| Re: [GMCnet] New airbags from Cinnabar [message #203304 is a reply to message #203300] |
Mon, 01 April 2013 14:11 |
mickey szilagyi
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Dennis,
No, they're not made by Firestone. I asked when I ordered them and Cinnabar was protective of who the manufacture is but I asked specifically if it was Firestone and the answer was no. And when I asked if they were made in the US the answer was no but where exactly I couldn't find out. My son was the one who looked them over and I think he mentioned he didn't see any date code or other markings on them. Cinnabar said they were well made and better than the OEMs. They look fine, come with the aluminum cones and we got the install kit that had stainless washers and nuts. We also got the straight fitting that goes into the one end of the bag but I don't think we'll use it. Cinnabar does not recommend putting a shraeder or shut off valve at the airbag but we are doing so to isolated the bag if we have problems in the airline somewhere. We started to install one bag this weekend and got a leak in the 45 fitting we're trying to put first inline at the bag. We used the old fitting so we're getting new fittings, some permatex 534540 thread sealant and we'll try again perhaps this weekend.
Mickey
77 Kingsley 403, Lansing MI
Mickey
1977 Kingsley, 403, Lansing, MI
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| Re: [GMCnet] New airbags from Cinnabar [message #203310 is a reply to message #203304] |
Mon, 01 April 2013 15:48 |
Dennis S
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Mickey
Thank you -- great description and just the understanding I wanted.
It will be good to see how the bags wear and if anyone experiences differences versus the original.
Regards,
Dennis
| Mickey Szilagyi wrote on Mon, 01 April 2013 14:11 |
Dennis,
No, they're not made by Firestone. I asked when I ordered them and Cinnabar was protective of who the manufacture is but I asked specifically if it was Firestone and the answer was no. And when I asked if they were made in the US the answer was no but where exactly I couldn't find out. My son was the one who looked them over and I think he mentioned he didn't see any date code or other markings on them. Cinnabar said they were well made and better than the OEMs. They look fine, come with the aluminum cones and we got the install kit that had stainless washers and nuts. We also got the straight fitting that goes into the one end of the bag but I don't think we'll use it. Cinnabar does not recommend putting a shraeder or shut off valve at the airbag but we are doing so to isolated the bag if we have problems in the airline somewhere. We started to install one bag this weekend and got a leak in the 45 fitting we're trying to put first inline at the bag. We used the old fitting so we're getting new fittings, some permatex 534540 thread sealant and we'll try again perhaps this weekend.
Mickey
77 Kingsley 403, Lansing MI
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| Re: [GMCnet] New airbags from Cinnabar [message #203316 is a reply to message #203313] |
Mon, 01 April 2013 16:30 |
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"Crumbling" on the ends is not a good indication of serviceability.
Basically, Jack up the coach, remove the rear wheels, (please put the coach on jack stands or wood blocking.) support the boogies, loosen the air bag bolts, deflate the bad air bag, remove the air fittings with air lines, remove bad air bag.
New air bag is easier to install if you allow the boogies to extend down. Don't pinch the air bag o-ring. Apply anti-seize to threads. Re-inflate air bag to about 60 pounds. Re-install wheels, lower coach, inflate air bag to around 80 pounds. bubble check the air fittings. Allow the coach air system to inflate the air bags to the proper pressure for your coach. Check ride height.
Repeat on other side.
Easier with a helper/spotter.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
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| Re: [GMCnet] New airbags from Cinnabar [message #203327 is a reply to message #203316] |
Mon, 01 April 2013 17:40 |
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I would add to that
Brush debris off of the airbag studs and nuts, spray studs and nut with penetrant a day before you plan to remove them.
Lower the coach onto blocking under the bogie bracket with wheels still on.
Relieve air pressure from the bag until the bulk of the coach weight is on the blocking but there is still enough pressure in the bag to keep it oriented while you loosen the non fill port side. Once the non fill port side nut can be easily backed all the way off the stud, tighten it back down to hold the bag still while you remove the fill port side( remove air line and residual bag air first)
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
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On Apr 1, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Thomas Phipps <tph1pp5@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> "Crumbling" on the ends is not a good indication of serviceability.
> Basically, Jack up the coach, remove the rear wheels, (please put the coach on jack stands or wood blocking.) support the boogies, loosen the air bag bolts, deflate the bad air bag, remove the air fittings with air lines, remove bad air bag.
> New air bag is easier to install if you allow the boogies to extend down. Don't pinch the air bag o-ring. Apply anti-seize to threads. Re-inflate air bag to about 60 pounds. Re-install wheels, lower coach, inflate air bag to around 80 pounds. bubble check the air fittings. Allow the coach air system to inflate the air bags to the proper pressure for your coach. Check ride height.
> Repeat on other side.
> Easier with a helper/spotter.
> Tom, MS II
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| Re: [GMCnet] New airbags from Cinnabar [message #203348 is a reply to message #203310] |
Mon, 01 April 2013 20:24 |
Don A
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< Cinnabar does not recommend putting a shraeder or shut off valve at the airbag but we are doing so to isolated the bag if we have problems >
Mikey,
My coach has a schraeder and a shutoff valve mounted to the fender liner with a short line to the bag. The line to the bag has a big curve to allow for the movement of the bag. Saves a bit of pounding on the fittings.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/don/p48427-airline-to-bag.html
Don Adams Dallas, TX
'76 26' Glenbrook, '90 Sidekick
rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
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| Re: [GMCnet] New airbags from Cinnabar [message #204885 is a reply to message #202869] |
Tue, 16 April 2013 21:57 |
Pryzl1
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Visited Cinnabar last week to pick up cockpit pedestals for my newly acquired Honda seats. Steve showed me the new airbags on a table top mock-up of the coach's suspension system. Bags looked good, bag price $400, including cones, and I believe an additional $13 for the plated washers and nut hardware.
Cinnabar appeared to have several pallets of the new airbags on the racks in their warehouse! I did not ask Steve where the bags were manufactured.
John
1976 GMC Eleganza II - "The Never Ending Story"
Partial Restoration - a work in progress
455cc
NW Ohio
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